Sea level rise: It's worse than we thought

Earthling-1 wrote:

<quoted text>Don't panic, the Pony Express will be along any day with news from the east.

Don't know if NYC will be under water, but you are in over your head already....

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Correction:
..... pops up in another thread and makes another true comment.

"steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling" is a 'stupid steenking filthy vile reprobate racist rooting (& rotting) pukey proud pig.

Past it Bozo wrote:

Don't know if NYC will be under water, but you are in over your head already....

Forget to take your meds again?

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Must be standing on your head because it is under water. In other words, you are in over your head.

Pitiful. If I was you I would of asked if I was wearing platform heels. That if I had stood in my bare feet that I might notice the water.

Of course if you think the ocean levels are rising then it may be you who is standing on his head. That might explain why you think the ocean levels are rising. If you stood up and looked around you just might notice that the ocean levels have not risen any noticable amount. That your doomsday predictions are not on track. That if you compare pictures of WWII beachfront battlefields with the same shot from the same spot today that in in fifty-five years that the ocean levels remain the same.

Of course the reason why your standing on your head with your head under water is to keep from hearing the facts. Please take your head out of the water. Because I want you around in thiry years so I can have the fun of telling you I told you so.

Want to know a climate secret? Global climate isn't as significant as local climate; local variation swamps many global trends. You believe man made CO2 emissions are increasing the greenhouse gas effect to create an unprecedented warming trend? Sweet!

For folks in Realville, this winter is cold! Skeptics might conclude from the four hours I spent defrosting plumbing, climate temperature appears to be cooling. That's not counter evidence, its weather and its a pain in the butt.

Brian_G wrote:

Want to know a climate secret? Global climate isn't as significant as local climate; local variation swamps many global trends.

Tell that to the Russians. Five hundred dead. Convince THEM that 'local variations' are bigger than the drastic shift in their winter climate that has been enabled/triggered by AGW.

Climate change may SOUND innocuous, but it is about small change in temperature causing drastic shifts in large climate regions.

Drastic, five hundred dead are difficult to convince. How about I explain to somebody living, global climate is most often far less significant than local conditions, at the current time. Adaptation works, poverty and green conservation starve or freeze.

And just like a baseball player who uses steroids can still strike out, record-setting cold snaps can occur even when there are additional greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

"I think there is a general confusion about weather versus climate and that weather is what you see out the window on any given hour and climate is the statistical collection or average of weather events," Meehl wrote in an e-mail. "It's that statistical aspect of climate that's sometimes hard to picture. That's why using steroids and baseball as an analogy seems to work for people."

http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_19940275...

Brian_G wrote:

Drastic, five hundred dead are difficult to convince. How about I explain to somebody living, global climate is most often far less significant than local conditions, at the current time. Adaptation works, poverty and green conservation starve or freeze.

I would suggest that you take your meds, but clearly you are doing too many drugs already.

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

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Tell that to the Russians. Five hundred dead. Convince THEM that 'local variations' are bigger than the drastic shift in their winter climate that has been enabled/triggered by AGW.
Climate change may SOUND innocuous, but it is about small change in temperature causing drastic shifts in large climate regions.

I know you think an emotional plea is the same as evidence, but how about adding a little perspective. Tell us how many Russians died from the cold weather in the last 100 winters. You know to be sure that your number is statisticaly significant.

I doubt that you can find any data that supports you because globaly both the rate and the number of deaths from climate have been dropping, not increasing.
http://www.csccc.info/reports/report_23.pdf

NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, alias:

LessFactMoreHype wrote:

I would suggest that you take your meds, but clearly you are doing too many drugs already.

Says the guy who's not sure who he is from day to day and still believes that forty is spelt with a U.
Epistemologists compile dictionaries.
Samuel Johnson was an American.
Ice calving is restricted by size.
"The equator doesn't have season."
Cars can be charged with road collisions.
Enercon install gearless offshore wind generators.
Vikings didn't know how to live in a warmer Greenland.
"Deforestations is a consequence of AGW."
Alberta is a country.
"Insects and plants" don't qualify as species.
"Scientific laws" aren't science.
Predictions are just for astrologers.
Ethanol is a very workable and effective solution.
America only has two political parties.
CO2 is not vital for life.
Climate and weather are not linked.
'Nondenier' is a real word.
'Fruiting plants' are especially chosen by bees for, "polination."
We acted on CFCs in the 70s.
CO2 is a thermal pollutant.
I would be astounded if you can grow tomatoes in your desert
AGW is caused by Solar cycles.

SpaceBlues wrote:

And just like a baseball player who uses steroids can still strike out, record-setting cold snaps can occur even when there are additional greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
"I think there is a general confusion about weather versus climate and that weather is what you see out the window on any given hour and climate is the statistical collection or average of weather events," Meehl wrote in an e-mail. "It's that statistical aspect of climate that's sometimes hard to picture. That's why using steroids and baseball as an analogy seems to work for people." [URL deleted]

So cool, juiced baseball as an argument for climate change mitigation, cheats and frauds unite!

Take notes, the climate record is written on the landscape. Climate always changes.

YouHelpFixIt wrote:

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I know you think an emotional plea ..

The death toll is hardly an 'emotional plea'.

It is just demonstrating that climate change will NOT be wine and roses.

I award you one red herring.

LessHypeMoreFact wrote:

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The death toll is hardly an 'emotional plea'.
It is just demonstrating that climate change will NOT be wine and roses.
I award you one red herring.

Yes it is, people die from the weather every year. Always have.

SpaceBlues wrote:

And just like a baseball player who uses steroids can still strike out, record-setting cold snaps can occur even when there are additional greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

You are getting off track I think. The point of Climate Change FROM AGW is that the 'average warming' is just the TRIGGER for major shifts in where the thermal energy GOES.

As with the <1C warming of AGW triggering a MAJOR shift in energy from the West to Central Asia

As with the <1C warming of AGW triggering a MAJOR shift in energy *to* the West *from* Central Asia

To satisfy the nit pickers. The previous is ok if you accept that energy change can be negative or positive.

NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, alias:

LessFactMoreHype wrote:

It is just demonstrating that climate change will NOT be wine and roses.

Seriously?
Some roses love heat and grapes will do well.
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Chew that over then get back to me on CO2 as a thermal pollutant, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

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You are getting off track I think. The point of Climate Change FROM AGW is that the 'average warming' is just the TRIGGER for major shifts in where the thermal energy GOES.
As with the <1C warming of AGW triggering a MAJOR shift in energy from the West to Central Asia

Are you trying to earn a red herring?

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

As with the <1C warming of AGW triggering a MAJOR shift in energy *to* the West *from* Central Asia
To satisfy the nit pickers. The previous is ok if you accept that energy change can be negative or positive.

Awfully close.

I tell you what: How about a new post that is worthy of a teacup!

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

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You are getting off track I think. The point of Climate Change FROM AGW is that the 'average warming' is just the TRIGGER for major shifts in where the thermal energy GOES.
As with the <1C warming of AGW triggering a MAJOR shift in energy from the West to Central Asia

Here's a graph of Moscow's temps. Not indicative of all of Europe or Asia, but if Global Warming is about where the energy goes, then it doesn't look like it's 'going' anywhere any different than it has in the past.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gis...

A new Texas A&M research study found that parts of the world’s oceans are warming at an accelerated rate, showing a global warming “signature” in the ocean. The warming trend in some parts of the oceans is twice as large as the global average, the researchers have discovered.

“Certain parts of the oceans are getting warmer much faster than others, and it shows that there are significant regional differences in warming. The difference is from 0.5 to more than 1.5 degrees, and while that may seem small, it is a large change compared with the historical data over the past 100 years.”

Results of the team’s study have been published in the journal Nature Climate Science.