Letter to Editor: Fish passage

Reality wrote:

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How about a moratorium on new agricultural expansion or even a reduction in the water used for ag. If you are taking a holistic look at the problem you cannot deny that our water needs have increased and this has an effect on salmon population. Why are farmers more valuble than fishermen in your analysis?

Reality wrote:

rhondar - My point is that the writer values ag more than fishing. By your logic we are headed to outsource our fishing industry. Why is expansion of agriculture more important than the health of our fishing industry? We can not expand ag forever without consequences. Your post is indictative of the attitude that any criticizm or suggestion that ag should be balanced with other interests is meet with hostility.

Reality wrote:

I like to eat salmon... Reducing agricultural water needs won't starve us.. also typical pro ag hyperbole

rhondar wrote:

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There is nothing wrong with farm raised salmon after all the wild salmon population is currently not sustainable, the dams for ag use have been in place for decades, so could this be the cause of the sudden collapse? Doesn't seem likely. The pumping stations in the delta and all along the Sacramento river are now and have been for the last few years "maxing out" capacity. The pumping stations are pumping so much water the flow is actually reversed. Coupled with the failure of the "fish screen" many fish are sucked up and killed. Maybe it is time to halt offshore fishing for salmon, as well as recreational fishing. Maybe Ca needs to look at more dams and reservoirs instead of razing them. Maybe we need ot cut back on ag use God knows we throw out more food than we overfed Americans eat. But farmers being forced to sell is an unnecessary evil.

Under God wrote:

<quoted text>What a load of bull****. By definition it is not wild salmon that are unsustainable, as they were here long before white men decimated their habitat by diverting rivers, polluting waters, and over-fishing what few species could survive such abuse. Farm raised salmon cause extreme damage to natural habitats and disrupt the delicate balance of the ecosystem. The impacts of mans excessive use of fossil fuels and disruption of natural streamflows is coming to a head as our overpopulation of the planet is stressing our ecosystem to the breaking point. As a civilization we must treat our planet with greater humility and respect, reduce our wasteful and copious consumption of natural resources, and use our intellects to learn to live with what God provides rather than engineer things to aggrandize ourselves.

rhondar wrote:

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Congratulations Under God, may I bestow an honorary title in the indian tradition. Squats on Rock is a suitable moniker. For such unerring repetition of the crap you learned in the public school system. I believe you've also earned a gold star in the hall of shame at the Indoctrination Station.
Though American indians hold a moral high ground within the liberal (left wing) imagination, they were responsible for nearly wiping out the buffalo. One of the brilliant insights they garnered through hemp laden ceremonies led them to believe that if a single buffalo escaped a hunt it would alert the others. So they killed all they could, far more than they could ever utilize.
As the evil white men began to inhabit the east coast the hides were highly prized, the benevolent indians were more than willing to oblige by killing hundreds of thousands of buffalo for all the "firewater" they could guzzle. They diverted natural streams, hunted into extinction the early horses that were in north America. The saber tooth cats and other mammals were hunted to extinction. Tribes would war on each other for simple grievances and perceived insults, they would make slaves out of or torture and slaughter entire villages men, women and children. Cannibalism as well was practiced here in north America as it was on most other continents. They would intentionally set fire to the prairie to stampede buffalo off cliffs to their deaths.
There is proof that many different peoples including (gasp) whites, that traveled to north America before the Vikings and Columbus, there are pre historic tablets with Hebrew text carved in stone, on display at parks in and around Arkansas and Georgia. You are merely attempting to erroneously portray American indian "culture" as attaining a higher level of consciousness than the most advanced civilization to EVER inhabit this or any other planet in our immediate proximity. You are nothing more than a good student of the subversive "education system" that teaches you to hate your country and culture so as to hasten it's demise, nothing but a tool, a useful idiot. We are the most advanced of any civilization whether you realize this fact or not.
Michael Savage is correct. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Lush Rimbaugh wrote:

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Right on, man, those injuns got what they deserved!!

Lush Rimbaugh wrote:

...yeah, and I learned that in my private, Catholic school education. Screw public schools too!!

rhondar wrote:

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Another tool chiming in...
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But wait! There's more!
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Maybe you will cast more pearls of wisdom upon us kind sir...

rhondar wrote:

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Congratulations Under God, may I bestow an honorary title in the indian tradition. Squats on Rock is a suitable moniker. For such unerring repetition of the crap you learned in the public school system. I believe you've also earned a gold star in the hall of shame at the Indoctrination Station.
Though American indians hold a moral high ground within the liberal (left wing) imagination, they were responsible for nearly wiping out the buffalo. One of the brilliant insights they garnered through hemp laden ceremonies led them to believe that if a single buffalo escaped a hunt it would alert the others. So they killed all they could, far more than they could ever utilize.
As the evil white men began to inhabit the east coast the hides were highly prized, the benevolent indians were more than willing to oblige by killing hundreds of thousands of buffalo for all the "firewater" they could guzzle. They diverted natural streams, hunted into extinction the early horses that were in north America. The saber tooth cats and other mammals were hunted to extinction. Tribes would war on each other for simple grievances and perceived insults, they would make slaves out of or torture and slaughter entire villages men, women and children. Cannibalism as well was practiced here in north America as it was on most other continents. They would intentionally set fire to the prairie to stampede buffalo off cliffs to their deaths.
There is proof that many different peoples including (gasp) whites, that traveled to north America before the Vikings and Columbus, there are pre historic tablets with Hebrew text carved in stone, on display at parks in and around Arkansas and Georgia. You are merely attempting to erroneously portray American indian "culture" as attaining a higher level of consciousness than the most advanced civilization to EVER inhabit this or any other planet in our immediate proximity. You are nothing more than a good student of the subversive "education system" that teaches you to hate your country and culture so as to hasten it's demise, nothing but a tool, a useful idiot. We are the most advanced of any civilization whether you realize this fact or not.
Michael Savage is correct. Liberalism is a mental disorder.