RF does not recognize Holodomor as genocide in Ukraine

The ZHolodomor issue is souring relations between neofascist Russia and democratic Ukraine....

RUSSIA, UKRAINE RELATIONSHIP GOING SOUR, SAY POLLS

Yesterday, 15:15

More Russians say they have a bad attitude about their neighbors
The attitude of Russians and Ukrainians toward each other has deteriorated in recent months, according to parallel public opinion polls conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology and Moscow-based Levada-Center.

The significant attitude change is the outcome of Russia’s propaganda campaign against Ukraine, some say. The bigger fear is where all of this bad blood is leading.

“Russia spends millions on a propaganda of hate toward Ukraine among its citizens and Russia doesn’t do anything without having a plan,” said Taras Berezovets, director of Kyiv-based Polittech political consulting company.“This all has the clear aim to prepare society for more radical actions.”

It’s no surprise, say experts, considering the war of words that has broken out in recent months over many issues.

Moscow, for instance, is vehemently opposed to Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko’s attempts to have the nation join the NATO military alliance. The Russian government also objects to Ukraine’s attempts to have Stalin’s Great Famine of 1932-33 recognized as genocide against the Ukrainian people. And Russia’s five-day war in August with Georgia became a flashpoint after Yushchenko sided with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili over the Kremlin.

To add fuel to the fire, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is quoted as having made condescending remarks about the divisiveness of Ukrainian politics and the viability of its statehood.

The comments of the leaders are having an effect on the people they represent, especially in Russia’s case, where most of the major media outlets are subservient to the Kremlin.

“Public opinion is the same as state policy,” said Oleg Savelyev, the spokesman for Levada-Center.

The results of the Levada-Center poll held Sept. 12-15 show that only 2.5 percent of Russians have a “very good” attitude toward Ukraine, while another 34.8 percent called their attitude “good.” However, 36 percent have a “bad” attitude toward Ukraine and some 16.6 percent answered their attitude is “very bad.”

That is a sharp deterioration over Russians attitudes in April.

At that time,“very good” had 5.5 percent support,“good” won 49.2 percent,“bad” got only 27.3 percent and “very bad” registered in single digits at 6.2 percent.

Ukrainians’ attitudes to their northern neighbor also worsened, the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology poll indicated, but not by as much.....

http://www.kyivpost.com/nation/30049/print

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[01.10.2008 10:39]

President and the King of Sweden honor Holodomor victims

President Victor Yushchenko with his wife Kateryna Yushchenko and King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden with Queen Silvia took part in a flower laying ceremony near the Monument to Holodomor 1932-1933 Victims in Kyiv, according to the President`s press-office.

Other participants of the ceremony from Ukraine were Foreign Minister Volodymyr Ohryzko, Minister for Culture Vasyl Vovkun, Minister for Justice Mykola Onishchuk, Kyiv Mayor Leonid Chernovetsky
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http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-275958.htm...

Spamdriver as the spreader of bigotry and hate for an event which took place 76 years ago and affected several nationalities and not just Ukrainians. Your copy and paste spamming is getting very tedious as you push your hate and revenge agenda.24-

How Russian chauvinists hate the truth being revealed about Russia's genocides.

This year, Ukraine and many people around the world will observe the 75th anniversary of the Ukrainian famine or Holodomor of 1932-33.

Although the "Holodomor" refers to the genocide against Ukrainians, there were other genocides carried out in parallel against other groups opposed to Russian colonialism.

These genocides were disguised as ideological class warfare struggles involving "collectivization", but always targeted groups opposed to Russian imperialism for deliberate and calculated mass murder by starvation.

Besides the political administrative territory of the Bolshevik controlled-"Ukrainian SSR", the Kremlin-engineered artificial famine also affected other areas of the Russian Bolshevik empire, especially in ethnographic Ukrainian territories of Kuban.

Russia is anxious to divorce itself from the 1932-33 tragedy for political reasons.

Russia is concerned that if there was an admission it would have to bear the moral and maybe material responsibility for the millions of deaths 75 years ago.

Russia is also trying to wipe out all memory of the event that is now extremely unsafe to discuss politically.

Russia is covering up the fact that during the 1930's, Russia had to repay German loans for industrialization, and used famine producing grain theft to pay German debts.

The geographical range of the artificial famine shows that it targeted Ukraine, and Bolshevik Russia's non-Russian pro-independence minded regions.

Aside from Ukraine the famine raged in the Kuban, Stavropol, Don, and the lower and middle Volga areas, which were part of the Russian empire and former republics that had fruitlessly declared independence in 1919.

For example, in Kazakhstan, which was also part of the Bolshevik Russian empire at that time, one in three ethnic Kazakhs died from starvation.

In the Volga area, the worst hit was the German population, which was later entirely wiped out in 1941.

The areas of the former briefly independent Don Cossack Republic and Kuban People's Republic were also targeted for genocide.

Russia used the artificially engineered famine to depopulate areas that formerly bid for independence from Russian imperialism.

Russia carried out multiple genocides to carry out is parasitic colonialism.

The Holodomor genocide in Ukraine was used by Russia to "break the back" of Ukraine's independence aspirations while financing the industrialization of Russia by murdering millions of Ukrainian farmers and their children --and stealing their hard earned farms, farming equipment and grain.

Russia must come to terms with its genocidal past --and start atoning and apologizing for its numerous genocides, such as the Holodomor.

Ukrainian Embassy to Kazakhstan Commemorates the Holodomor
http://www.inform.kz/showarticle3.php...

Stop haters, you might have a nervous break down soon lol ur so keen on widespreading 'at least anything' against Russia, it looks hilarious lol

I hope your not spitting on your screen while typing all this bullsh#t here, don't choke with your own poison lol But if you do.. maybe i'll be even better :)

i mean i'll feel better, definately lol

06-10-2008 18:12 Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko meets in London Great Britain's Premier Gordon Brown.

The parties discussed the state of trade-economic and investment cooperation, energy cooperation and practical steps to liberalize a visa regime with Great Britain.

A special attention was devoted to Ukraine's relations with the European Union. Viktor Yushchenko and Gordon Brown dwelt on regional security with the latest developments in Georgia taken into account.

V. Yushchenko thanked Great Britain for the manifested solidarity with Ukrainian people and assistance in recognizing Holodomor 1932-1933 in Ukraine internationally and commemorating the tragedy victims.

http://www.nrcu.gov.ua/index.php...

And Spamdriver keeps his copy and paste spam going ad infinum ad nauseaum.......just spreading that hate and revenge......pathetic.

Russian chauvinists think exposing the Russian genocides in Ukraine is "spreading the hate."

By exposing Russian genocides such as the Holodomor it is possible to prevent future Russian genocides, including in Chechnya where Russia has employed genocide against Chechens resisting Russian colonialism and Putinist neofascism and imperialism.

Red wrote:

Russian chauvinists think exposing the Russian genocides in Ukraine is "spreading the hate."
By exposing Russian genocides such as the Holodomor it is possible to prevent future Russian genocides, including in Chechnya where Russia has employed genocide against Chechens resisting Russian colonialism and Putinist neofascism and imperialism.

by russian genocide you mean ukrainian/soviet genocide, and by genocide in chechniya you mean war on terror? ok then

Why Russians continue to revere their genocidal leaders like Stalin who commited the Holodomor and numerous other genocides to advance Russian colonialism and imperialism....

Today's Stalin Cult in Russia More Insidious than Late Soviet Era One, Analysts Say
OCTOBER 03, 2008
WINDOW ON EURASIA

Paul Goble

The cult of Stalin that has emerged in the Russian Federation over the last decade is more dangerous than its Soviet-era predecessor not only because it celebrates his crimes rather than ignoring them but also because it is finding an increasingly enthusiastic and almost completely uncritical audience among the young.

Christians have a special responsibility to counter this trend by promoting the restoration of historical memory among Russians, according to speakers at a Moscow conference on "Spiritual Resistance in the Church and in Society" organized by the Community of Orthodox Brotherhoods.

The organizers asked participants to address three basic questions: Why after the opening of archives in the early 1990s did Russians not develop immunity" to the evil of Stalinism? "Why did our people turn out not prepared to do what, for example, Germans were able to do? And how can those who experienced Stalin's rule find "a common language" with the young?

Irina Karatsuba, a historian at Moscow State University, told the meeting this week that Russia had lost 137 million lives during the 20th century from wars, revolutions and so on. Of that number, she continued, "the repressed formed a not insignificant fraction." But today, all too few people are focusing on that.

Instead, she said, "surprising things are taking place in our time concerning recollections about this period of our history." Indeed, she insisted, "now we are moving backwards in comparison even with how Khrushchev understood repressions." In his time, Soviet textbooks "hid" what had happened. But now Stalin's terror is presented as not only necessary but useful.

"In certain new textbooks," she continued, the Soviet dictator's actions "are presented as 'an effective instrument without which industrialization and collectivization would have been impossible and without which the country would not have won the war and preserved its sovereignty – and [for the Kremlin and many ordinary Russians] sovereignty is 'our all.'"....

http://georgiandaily.com/index.php...

The spamming by the Spamdrivers and Reds goes on and on and on spreading biased Russophobic hatred in this day and age of no communism. Between the hatred they are speading and the USA using Nato to bully its way into Russia, the world is on the brink.

It is Rayguns Reagan and the west who are not to be trusted as they are the ones who are pushing agressivly into Eastern Europea and Russia.
This would not have been possible if Boris Yeltsin hadn't listened to his dubious western advisors.

No matter NATO and its sponsors will not succeed, unless they would like to live in nuclear winter.

With the Ukrainian diaspora in NOrth america and Canada, the USA and Nato using HOLODOMIR as a tool to surround and try to balkanize Russia, I am completely and totally turned off to any kind of Holodomir garbage in the written word or in the stupid commemorations or rhetoric.

I flat refuse to read another word about the Holodomir drivel used to plan a destruction of Russia or to ever attend one single ceremony or to watch it on TV.

It is nothing more than a political tool and I will not support it in any way shape or form.

Red wrote:

Russian chauvinists think exposing the Russian genocides in Ukraine is "spreading the hate."
By exposing Russian genocides such as the Holodomor it is possible to prevent future Russian genocides, including in Chechnya where Russia has employed genocide against Chechens resisting Russian colonialism and Putinist neofascism and imperialism.

Your troops killed and still kill innocent people in IRAQ, they invaded this country against the law, you are aggressors!

And if Russia is poor and nobody in ur eyes, why are you all behaving like chickens, we are harmless as we got old weapon and leaking rusty fleet!

You are the only aggressors who invade countries and kill people! The USA started bombing Pakistan without its permission! Aggressors!!!

Why are you killng innocent people in IRAQ?

Violet wrote:

Why are you killng innocent people in IRAQ?

Since when are Al Quaeda agents who bomb their own civilian population "innocent people". I am sure you would sing a different tune if they were acting in Chechnya. There is no way that anyone except a brainwashed puppet would call terrorists "innocent people".

Ukraine: Victor Yushchenko meets leader of the British Conservative Party David Cameron

In London President Victor Yushchenko met with leader of the Conservative Party of Great Britain David Cameron.

Speaking to David Cameron, Victor Yushchenko expressed appreciation of Great Britain's support of Ukraine's European aspirations. "We are grateful to the Conservative Party for understanding in Ukraine's aspirations in European and Euro-Atlantic integration and for the steps that were made in support of our strategic course",- he added.

President Yushchenko also thanked the British Parliament for honoring victims of the [Holodomor] Great Famine of 1932-1933 in Ukraine.

From his part the leader of Conservative Party stressed support of Ukraine's European aspirations and affirmed Great Britain's support of Ukraine's wish to join NATO.

http://www.isria.info/RESTRICTED/D/2008/OCTOB...

07.10.2008 14:20] By Roman Serbyn, Rafael Lemkin
Excerpts from "Soviet Genocide in Ukraine"


Below there are reproduced excerpts from "Soviet Genocide in the Ukraine", the last chapter of a monumental History of Genocide, written in the 1950`s by the Jewish-Polish scholar Raphael Lemkin.

Unfortunately, the monograph has not yet been published and the chapter on Ukraine is known only to a few Lemkin scholars. The whole chapter (12 double-spaced pages) on Ukraine will soon be published in the original English language in the USA and eventually in other languages, in other countries.

Lemkin’s text deserves special attention by the Ukrainian community as it commemorates the 75th anniversary of the tragic events.

It should be noted that Lemkin, developed the concept and coined the term “genocide”, applies it to the destruction of the Ukrainian nation and not just Ukrainian peasants.

Lemkin speaks of:

a) the decimation of the Ukrainian national elites,

b) destruction of the Orthodox Church,

c) the starvation of the Ukrainian farming population, and

d) its replacement with non-Ukrainian population from the RSFSR as integral components of the same genocidal process.

The only dimension that is missing in Lemkin’s excellent analysis is the destruction of the 8,000,000 ethnic Ukrainians living on the eve of the genocide in the Russian Republic (RSFSR).

As Ukraine and the Ukrainian diaspora commemorates, in the coming months of October and November the 75th anniversary of the Genocide against the Ukrainians, it should be inspired by the all-encompassing approach to the analysis of the great Ukrainian catastrophe by the father of the concept of genocide and the man who did most to have it enshrined in the UN Convention of 1948.

Lemkin’s perception of the Ukrainian genocide is a solid recommendation to the UN Assembly to finally recognize the Ukrainian tragedy for what it was —“a case of genocide, the destruction of a nation.”....

http://www.unian.net/eng/news/news-277220.htm...