Napoleon's Russian defeat, reexamined

It is high time that Russia gets the honors it deserves for the deafeat of Napolean as well as the defeat of Hitler, instead of hte sour grapes version put out by the Ango-Saxons who like to dimish the great achievements of Russia. Napolean was defeated in Russia even though he had an army four times the size of the Russian one.

Did you read the article?

"Lieven shows that professionalism and planning -- along with patriotism -- carried the Russian army through to the end. The Russians stored six months' worth of food at strategic points. They made sure that each battalion was properly outfitted. The Russian army that met the Grand Armée wasn't a ragtag peasant force, but a rationally planned fighting machine."

This part should make you happy too:

"In many ways, Lieven's book is akin to the works on the Eastern Front in the Second World War that have provided a corrective to the dominant Anglo-American narrative. Hopefully, this is the first of more to come."

The French like the Germans did not properly prepare for and grossly underestimated the will of the Russian people and there love for there country and -60 winters.

Read the article, please. Napoleon's defeat had little to do with the Russian winters.

I´d say, Napolko´s defeat had a lot to do with his size.
Since the winter was very harsh, too much snow and all, his brain was partially frozen before the battle.
thanks for your approval.

Cassandra_ wrote:

Read the article, please. Napoleon's defeat had little to do with the Russian winters.

Your joking right?

Let the heeling begin.
There was a little Napoleon, he could not stand Russian winters.
The wind blew too high and buried him with snow.
Some joke, it was.
Perhaps, if he was somewhat another 15 cm taller...who knows ?

May be a orange flag on a pole to find him in the snow pehaps

Judge of Human Nature wrote:

May be a orange flag on a pole to find him in the snow pehaps

orange flag to save him?- no, Ukrainians were our brothers - one more prove that Orange revolution was imported...

The french morons lost. Just like they lost to Bismarck in 1871. There is no need to talk about it.

Zaolsie wrote:

<quoted text>orange flag to save him?- no, Ukrainians were our brothers - one more prove that Orange revolution was imported...

But didn"t Ivan Mazepa fight against you russians?

Judge of Human Nature wrote:

The French like the Germans did not properly prepare for and grossly underestimated the will of the Russian people and there love for there country and -60 winters.

What defeated the French like the German were the impossible logistics to keep an army supplied, equiped, fuelled, fed and relieved so far from base.

With over-stretched and vulnerable lines of communications, the invading army becomes isolated in hostile territory.

In both case, the Russians (or Soviets) could adopt the tactic of avoiding direct confrontation, retreating deep in their terrotory and enticing the enemy to follow.

Once the invader became weaken and desoriented, mounting a counter attack with fresh troops came next, ensuring the total 'deroute' of the enemy.

Judge of Human Nature wrote:

May be a orange flag on a pole to find him in the snow pehaps

i´d say, if he were to wave some frogs, I bet someone could have spotted him. Whether they would have rescued him or just had eaten that frog, that´s another matter of discussion.

Pesky army wrote:

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i´d say, if he were to wave some frogs, I bet someone could have spotted him. Whether they would have rescued him or just had eaten that frog, that´s another matter of discussion.

Exhalant point!!! Also the snails would have been in fear of there lives as the French we not only cold but also hungry.

Right now, the above Robes is looking for a friend, just get in touch, he´ll explain much about Napoleon.

Robespierre wrote:

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What defeated the French like the German were the impossible logistics to keep an army supplied, equiped, fuelled, fed and relieved so far from base.
With over-stretched and vulnerable lines of communications, the invading army becomes isolated in hostile territory.
In both case, the Russians (or Soviets) could adopt the tactic of avoiding direct confrontation, retreating deep in their terrotory and enticing the enemy to follow.
Once the invader became weaken and desoriented, mounting a counter attack with fresh troops came next, ensuring the total 'deroute' of the enemy.

Not only that, but the field battles that did happen regarding Napoleon whether Smolensk, Borodino and much else were French victories. The French both took and occuppied Moscow (quite unlike the Germahns) and held it until losses and lack of Russian surrender made Napoleon's reason for staying in Moscow untenable. The Russians evacuted the capitol (unlike the case regarding Germany where they foght back because the Germans didn't make the same psychological impact of total defeat as Napoleon had) and employed the Fabian strategy of avoiding combat by holding Russian forces in reserve and waiting for the right moment to attack when French losses mounted. Many of the French losses already weakened Napoleon's forces in the summer and fall(dsysentery) and many more were to come. The greatest damage after Napoleon evacuated Moscow was from cold, disease, and Cossack attacks against stragglers and deserters on the strategic withdrawal. Unlike the case with Germany, there were no major battles waged after Napoleon's farthest conquests and most of Napoleon's losses were through attrition rather than stupid Stalingrad, Kursk, Moscow, Sevastopol,Minsk,Budapest, Berlin etc. type disasters which befell the woefully mismanaged Wehrmacht and SS battles under Hitler and his lackey generals.

Cassandra_ wrote:

Read the article, please. Napoleon's defeat had little to do with the Russian winters.

WE all know that it is nothing more than biased, hate-filled Russophobia making up stories about the Russian Winter, as if that winter wouldn't have affected the Russian people as well.

It is just the usual garbage to attempt to belittle Russia which is not based on fact at all.

Zaolsie wrote:

<quoted text>orange flag to save him?- no, Ukrainians were our brothers - one more prove that Orange revolution was imported...

Exactly! he Orange flag is just an imposed Colored Revolution which proved to the Ukrainian people beyond all doubt that the west didn't care about the Ukrainian people at all, only in the sense of what they could steal from them for themselves. That's why the Orange revolution garbage was scrapped.

Judge of Human Nature wrote:

May be a orange flag on a pole to find him in the snow pehaps

That is no something they would ever need. Good thing that orange garbage flags and all has been scrapped.

Stefanya wrote:

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WE all know that it is nothing more than biased, hate-filled Russophobia making up stories about the Russian Winter, as if that winter wouldn't have affected the Russian people as well.
It is just the usual garbage to attempt to belittle Russia which is not based on fact at all.

???
lol
Steffi, the article is not Russophobic or belittling. I even gave you an excerpt!

BTW, orange-colored clothing is used because of its high visibility. An orange flag would have made poor little Napoleon easier to find had he been buried in the snow. I don't think that comment had anything to do with Ukraine, only a joke about Napoleon's height.