The Original Sikhs are the Mazhbi SIkhs !

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Jaswant Mattu

Birmingham, UK

#1 Oct 24, 2009
Sikh History seems to conveniently fail to mention that most low caste converts to Sikhism made the greatest and most courageous sacrifices for the religion and the fight for freedom.

Sikh religion was actually set up for the lower castes ie chura chamar and others, this has been overlooked in a big way. The truth will come out soon!

Read up the history for yourselves and make your own decision.

Sat Sri Akaal

The Original Sikhs.
Anita

Leicester, UK

#2 Nov 23, 2009
Jaswant Mattu wrote:
Sikh History seems to conveniently fail to mention that most low caste converts to Sikhism made the greatest and most courageous sacrifices for the religion and the fight for freedom.
Sikh religion was actually set up for the lower castes ie chura chamar and others, this has been overlooked in a big way. The truth will come out soon!
Read up the history for yourselves and make your own decision.
Sat Sri Akaal
The Original Sikhs.
I agree that we are all Sikhs & that is the only way we should be identified, but until others stop this discrimination, they will just turn a blind eye. I am proud to be Sikh & to promote our religion the fundamental principles need to be at the fore front of a SIKHS BELIEF. Awareness amongst other Sikhs needs to be created!

Since: Nov 09

Fairland, IN

#3 Nov 24, 2009
Anita wrote:
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I agree that we are all Sikhs & that is the only way we should be identified, but until others stop this discrimination, they will just turn a blind eye. I am proud to be Sikh & to promote our religion the fundamental principles need to be at the fore front of a SIKHS BELIEF. Awareness amongst other Sikhs needs to be created!
There is no such thing as a Jatt Sikh of a Dalit Sikh. Those that identify themselves as this are not true Sikhs. When you adhere to Sikhi you have left the caste system and no longer are part of it. As you long as you still hold the caste system you aren't Sikh. Those that discriminate against Dalits will pay in time. Akal Purkh finds a way. Here's a story of a family member. Mohan Singh Bains was a rich farmer in Mailpur India. He had many people that came from Bihar and worked on his farms. On man was Husan Lal. Husan Lal came and did all his work and asked Mr. Bains for his pay. When Husan Lal went to his room, Mohan's son came and told him that he needs to run or else his father would call the cops and tell them he wasn't Punjabi. Husan Lal was uneducated and didn't know this was false and ran away. Mohan who just saved money went to his fields a few days later. While walking he saw a small weed in his rice paddys, he decided to pluck it out. The second he did a drop of water went into his eye. Mohan Singh Bains went blind from the right eye and has been for the last 20 years. He still repents and wishes he hadn't of sinned. Akal naa Kaam.
Harinder

Bangalore, India

#4 Nov 24, 2009
1)Daya Ram--------- Khatri from Lahore

2) Dharam Das,------ Jat from Hastinapur(Delhi)

3) Muhkam Chand------a cloth-printer Dwarka In Surashtra reigion of Gujrat.

4) Himmat----------water-bearer from Jagannath,Orrisa

5) Sahib Chand------ barber from Bidar,Andhra

They came from all parts ,castes of India .

So casteism is banned by GURUJIS
Anita

Leicester, UK

#5 Mar 11, 2010
But i must say that casteism is here today, in the UK amongst Sikhs, so what are we going to do? What can we do?
Sikh Chamar

UK

#6 Mar 12, 2010
Anita wrote:
But i must say that casteism is here today, in the UK amongst Sikhs, so what are we going to do? What can we do?
I agree casteism still exists in uk, when it gets to things like marriages otherwise it`s not a problem. It can work either way the reverse discrimination is increasing, sikhs themselves will call themselves a jatt sikh, ravidassia sikh, ramgharia sikh, radha swami etc etc.

The economical power is now seen in all castes/sects. The problem seems to be without any dis-respect amongst the uneducated or average earners amongst all castes. They who are educated or well off seem to have a different view. It will be awhile before it all dies down. With all these sects around to combine into one will take time and effort.
Sikh Chamar

UK

#7 Mar 12, 2010
Jaswant Mattu wrote:
Sikh History seems to conveniently fail to mention that most low caste converts to Sikhism made the greatest and most courageous sacrifices for the religion and the fight for freedom.
Sikh religion was actually set up for the lower castes ie chura chamar and others, this has been overlooked in a big way. The truth will come out soon!
Read up the history for yourselves and make your own decision.
Sat Sri Akaal
The Original Sikhs.
You are right, the so called lower castes played a vital part in sikhism, the highly decorated sikh light infantry was mazabi and chamar sikhs. The teachings of the guru ji`s was against the caste system and to unite all castes into one. When the panj pyarer was selected, the jatts (who are also former low caste shudra like most other sikhs) was givin a chance to represent as well.

When guru gobind singh ji selecting his five most loyal, he asked for his devotees to give their heads here and now. After seeing the dripping blood from his sword the jatts ran away. And therfore the panj piare was from castes even lower than jatts. But off course sikhism has no castes. My only example here is that all castes in sikhism played there part.
jatt

Surrey, Canada

#8 Mar 12, 2010
Sikh Chamar wrote:
<quoted text> You are right, the so called lower castes played a vital part in sikhism, the highly decorated sikh light infantry was mazabi and chamar sikhs. The teachings of the guru ji`s was against the caste system and to unite all castes into one. When the panj pyarer was selected, the jatts (who are also former low caste shudra like most other sikhs) was givin a chance to represent as well.
When guru gobind singh ji selecting his five most loyal, he asked for his devotees to give their heads here and now. After seeing the dripping blood from his sword the jatts ran away. And therfore the panj piare was from castes even lower than jatts. But off course sikhism has no castes. My only example here is that all castes in sikhism played there part.
teri maa da fuda teri kute liar chamar da. haramzade jatts is an ethnic group and never been a part of any cast system. they always worship jathere and always had rejected brahamanism as thei independent nature could not see them placed lower to anybody else. fkr guru hargobind was helpless until he begged jatts for help and sikhs were helpless untill jatts joind in for a just cause. more than 80% of sikh army was purely jatts and they done to sullas what none else could do, fk u.
Sikh Chamar

UK

#9 Mar 12, 2010
jatt wrote:
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teri maa da fuda teri kute liar chamar da. haramzade jatts is an ethnic group and never been a part of any cast system. they always worship jathere and always had rejected brahamanism as thei independent nature could not see them placed lower to anybody else. fkr guru hargobind was helpless until he begged jatts for help and sikhs were helpless untill jatts joind in for a just cause. more than 80% of sikh army was purely jatts and they done to sullas what none else could do, fk u.
jatts are a caste, the ethnic group the punjabi jatts originate from was aryan, mongel and dravidin. They are not the only ones in punjab who originated from this aryan invader,has it was an invader not a caste.

Punjab overall is mixed colour, the fair skin and height is seen in all castes not just jatts. Vice versa plenty off jatts are also dark skinned and have measurement problems like jazzy b, who is smaller in height than the average punjabi girl.

Jatts did alot for sikhism, But my point is that all castes involved did as well. Sikhism is for us all, not just jatts. Please do not use bad langiuage on threads my shudra brother.
come on

Hyderabad, India

#10 Mar 12, 2010
Sikh Chamar wrote:
<quoted text> .
Jatts did alot for sikhism, But my point is that all castes involved did as well. Sikhism is for us all, not just jatts. Please do not use bad langiuage on threads my shudra brother.
"Jatts did alot for sikhism, But my point is that all castes involved did as well. Sikhism is for us all, not just jatts. Please do not use bad langiuage on threads my shudra brother"

TOTALLY RIGHT BROTHER EXCEPT
NO ONE IS SHUDRA IN SIKHISM
WHEN U CALL SOMEONE BY DEROGATORY TERM U R NOT THE TRUE SIKH OF GURU GOBIND SINGH
Babbar Akali

New Delhi, India

#11 Mar 12, 2010
come on wrote:
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"Jatts did alot for sikhism, But my point is that all castes involved did as well. Sikhism is for us all, not just jatts. Please do not use bad langiuage on threads my shudra brother"
TOTALLY RIGHT BROTHER EXCEPT
NO ONE IS SHUDRA IN SIKHISM
WHEN U CALL SOMEONE BY DEROGATORY TERM U R NOT THE TRUE SIKH OF GURU GOBIND SINGH
yes its right,,,castiesm is against Gurmat..we need to fight it to strengthen our Sikh brotherhood
Sikh Chamar

UK

#12 Mar 12, 2010
come on wrote:
<quoted text>
"Jatts did alot for sikhism, But my point is that all castes involved did as well. Sikhism is for us all, not just jatts. Please do not use bad langiuage on threads my shudra brother"
TOTALLY RIGHT BROTHER EXCEPT
NO ONE IS SHUDRA IN SIKHISM
WHEN U CALL SOMEONE BY DEROGATORY TERM U R NOT THE TRUE SIKH OF GURU GOBIND SINGH
I agree 100% its just that jatts always use derogatory terms against other sikhs, and i guess i try and say derogatory things back, and remind them off there past which is wrong. But you are 100% correct no one is a shudra in sikhism.
jatt

Surrey, Canada

#14 Mar 13, 2010
Sikh Chamar wrote:
<quoted text> jatts are a caste, the ethnic group the punjabi jatts originate from was aryan, mongel and dravidin. They are not the only ones in punjab who originated from this aryan invader,has it was an invader not a caste.
Punjab overall is mixed colour, the fair skin and height is seen in all castes not just jatts. Vice versa plenty off jatts are also dark skinned and have measurement problems like jazzy b, who is smaller in height than the average punjabi girl.
Jatts did alot for sikhism, But my point is that all castes involved did as well. Sikhism is for us all, not just jatts. Please do not use bad langiuage on threads my shudra brother.
google jat jaat jatt jatts before u shoot anymore shit u idiot
come on

Hyderabad, India

#15 Mar 13, 2010
GOOGLING
TWO MAJOR COMPONENTS OF SIKH FRATERINITY
JATT SIKHS
Jatt-Sikhs are mostly descended from Jat-Hindus and some from Jat-Muslims who converted to Sikhism.
Jatts started to follow the teachings of Guru Nanak in small numbers and this grew after the formation of the Khalsa. They converted en masse to Sikhism from the time of Banda Singh Bahadur, and formed the vanguard of Sikh resistance against the Mughal Empire from the 18th century onwards.
At least 7 of the 12 Sikh Misls (Sikh confederacies) were led by Jatt-Sikhs.
] Influence of Sikhism on Jatts
Jat Sikhs (as well as Sikhs in general) appeared to possess more of a martial streak than their non-Sikh brethren. The reason for this was summed up by Major A.E. Barstow as being due to the influence of Sikhism.
"As has already been explained the virtues of the Jats are identical with those of the Sikhs, but the latter possess in a higher degree the ardent military spirit which had its origin in the warlike precepts of Gobind Singh."
Dr. Irfan Habib, Professor Emeritus, Aligarh Muslim University, argues that Sikhism did a lot to uplift the status of Jatts in general.The late Professor Kishan Singh states
ďA serious contradiction afflicts the Jat farmer of the Punjab. He has unflinching faith in Guru Gobind Singh, yet at the same time he is inbued with traits typical of a Jat. There are two sides to the Jatís known traits. One has a positive effect in the sense that it saves him from feeling inferior; and the other side is negative. It makes him overbearing and arrogant which is a disease. A jatís negative traits can be suppressed only through the true spirit of Sikhism.Ē
Jats Sikhs in the Army
Jatt Sikhs according to Major AE Barstow." were very good soldiers, and due to the influence of Sikhism, possessed more of a martial quality than their other non-Sikh Jat brethren. Barstow further comments, that due to their diet, fondness for wrestling (something encouraged and taught by Guru Angad to the Sikh people) and weightlifting, they possessed good physical attributes for soldiery. Jatt Sikhs (alongside other Sikhs) were seen a good source for recruitment according to R W Falcon. According to Captain A H Bingley they were particularly loyal soldiers.
The Jatt Sikh community has constituted an important source of recruits for the Indian Army
come on

Hyderabad, India

#16 Mar 13, 2010
GOOGLING
TWO MAJOR COMPONENTS OF SIKH FRATERINITY

Chamar Sikhs
Chamars were mainly labourers and peasants, however, some of them were traditionally engaged in professions such as Leather-working. However, many Chamars living in rural areas have branched out into other occupations such as w eaving
Chamars in the Punjab
Chamars are among the biggest castes in India. The most politically and socially influential Chamars are from the state of Punjab with Dalits comprising 27% of the population. In the Punjab they are divided into various groups such as Ad-dharmis and Ravidasis. They are highly concentrated in the Doaba region of Punjab (India).
The Chamars of Doaba are rich and educated. Due the influence of Sikhism and the preference of the British for Sikh soldiers, many Chamar Sikhs, were able to serve in the military and thus improve their social and economic status.
A lot of Chamars from Doaba have been migrating to the USA, the UK, Canada, the Middle East and other countries from where send a lot of money back home.
One of the most decorated regiments of the Indian Army is the Sikh Light Infantry, which is composed mostly of Chamar and Mazhabi Sikhs. The Sikh Light Infantry previously known as "The Mazabhi and Ramdasia Sikh Regiment" is a Regiment of the Indian Army. Its name was changed to the Sikh Light Infantry in 1944. The Sikh Light Infantry is the successor unit to the Mazhabi Sikh Pioneers 23rd, 32nd and 34th Sikh Pioneers. The Sikh Light Infantry inherited the battle honours, colours and traditions of the Mazhabi Sikh Pioneers on its merging with a few Ramdasia companies in 1941.
The Sikh Light Infantry comprises the Mazhabi and Ramdasia Sikh soldiers; well known for their dountless daring,courage, loyalty and tenacity, is one of the oldest Regiments of the Army
Neutral

UK

#17 Mar 13, 2010
Neutrol

UK

#18 Mar 13, 2010
ravi-daas

UK

#19 Mar 13, 2010
you find jatts behave with same racism like old days rajputs. jatts used to be treated like sh!t by rajputs. now jatts treat chamars same manner because they are higher in caste system. before jatts were the chamars of rajputs and khatris now they treat us like lower people. please read this article on jatts and how lowly they were before partition it was thakur deshraj who helped to free jatts from rajput slavery and now they think they were always highest caste in india.
http://www.4jat.com/jat_community_article.asp...
Anita

Leicester, UK

#20 Mar 13, 2010
All the derogatory language just shows how no one is regarded as equal and its hitting a raw nerve with so called Sikhs! It dont matter what race, religion & colour you are. If you are a Sikh nothing else should matter and thats simple!So until you so called Sikhs start realising the truth we can have this debate forever!Its control and power & someones ego that is highly bruised. I will say it again you are either a Sikh, not a Sikh with any so called caste name associated to them. Knowledge is power, when you study for a particular subject and years of research goes into a text book, Do you question whats in the book? Do you interpert it to what you think is best? No! you take it as right! so do the same with the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.
Anita

Leicester, UK

#21 Mar 13, 2010
Neutral wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Avi-WNAMyY0XX
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I know where you're coming from. Gotta stand up & address this issue head on. People are not going to like it but its the truth. I can see your passionate about this we need more people like you without the swearing, ha!

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