Reasons why Sikhism cannot be considered a branch of Hinduism

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True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#1 Jul 13, 2012
1. Guru Granth Sahib, the Sikh Scripture is purely monotheistic. It accepts only one God and rejects all other deities, spirits, angels, etc. Only God is immortal. All other deities are mortal and prone to death.

2. The religion of Guru Granth Sahib, being free from inhibitions of any kind regarding the way of life and its adaptability in all the religions of the world vouches its universality. It is not a religion of the chosen people (like Judaism), but instead, it is the religion of the entire humanity. It raises above all the regional barriers.

3. It rejects all ritualism, formalism, and symbolism. It has no belief in any sacrament.

4. It focuses all its attention on the enfoldment of discipline for the attainment of the unity of the soul with God. The emphasis has been laid on the adoption of godly qualities by the seeker.

5. It repudiates the prevalent theories of Creation and scans the universe as the wok of the Creator, whose existence pulsates everywhere in His Creation. The extent and expanse of the Creation of the Infinite Lord cannot be delimited.

6. It lays great emphasis on honest and sincere labor. Its religion is the religion of workers and householders. Therefore it decries the renunciation and all types of ascetic practices.

7. It advocates the equality of all human beings, irrespective of birth and sex. The woman is in no way inferior to man. It rejects all distinctions of caste and color.

8. The State has to play its part in the provision of food, shelter, and clothing to the members of the society. There can be no devotion, if the individual is not carefree about his requirements.

9. It presents a balanced combination of action, devotion, and knowledge. Whereas the body has to work for the well-being of family and society while the mind has to remain in tune with the Lord. Service is, thus, the motto of an adherent of Guru Granth Sahib. His best service toward the Guru and the Lord is the remembrance to the Name.

10. The religion of Guru Granth Sahib is most practical. The devotee overbrims with love and devotion. The whole world appears as a family to him. The earth is an abode of Dharma for him.

11. Breaks dichotomy between spiritual and empirical lives.

12. Rejects Ascetism.

13. Rejects Varnasharm Dharma which incorporates basic caste system.

14. Rejects Ahsma.

15. God Never incarnates. He is Un-Incarnated and Transcendent.
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#2 Jul 13, 2012
World-View and Guru Granth

Both the surveys of Maxwebster and Schwitzer bring out that all Indian religions are life negating and suggest withdrawal from life. This is quite true of Buddhism, Jainism, Vaishnavism, Vedanta and even the Sant Tradition. All these Hindu systems as indicated above, involve withdrawal from life, and denial of social responsibility. Evidently, systems that recommend Ahimsa, asceticism, monasticism, Sanyasa, celibacy or withdrawal from life, reject every kind of social involvement, much less social responsibility, as an unwanted bondage. S. K. Mitra, who has surveyed the ethics of all Hindu systems, says "that the common feature of all doctrines of the ideal life, or Moksha, is the conception of ideal as strictly moral idea." It is so, because all these systems accept a clear dichotomy between the spiritual path and the empirical path, and, thus life-negation is a natural and logical consequence of all these religious systems and their world-view. But Sikhism, as the hymns and lives of the Gurus express and demonstrate very clearly, has a world-view of life affirmation, since in the Sikh ideology there is an inalienable combination between the spiritual life and the empirical life of man. For, whatever is within the domain of God, is also within the sphere of operation of the Godman. In short, Sikhism is a whole-life religion with a world-view entirely opposed to that of other Indian religions.
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#3 Jul 13, 2012
Guru Granth as a New Scripture with New Ideology with New Religious Experience

Vedas and Upanishads are without doubt the scriptures of all Hindu systems. But Sikhism completely denies their authority, and Guru Nanak even calls some of their injunctions to be wrong. The Sikh Gurus were so clear and particular about the independent and separate identity of their religious system and the complete originality and newness of its character, that they took very significant stage which no other religious leader in the world had done. They specifically compiled and authenticated the Sikh Scripture. Secondly, since the time of its compilation in 1604 A.D., it is the complete repository of and the final authority on the Sikh ideology and its doctrines. Since the Gurus called it revealed Bani, it has been regarded as the Shabad having the sanction of God. The Tenth Master took two important steps in this regard. First, he introduced the Nash doctrine, thereby making a complete and final break with all other Indian ideologies. Neither the Vedas and Upanishads, nor any other religious systems is given any sanction or accepted as authentic. We all know that the Bani of Bhagats in the Guru Granth is a selection. It is accepted only to the extent it is in consonance with the doctrines of the Gurus. And even where differences seem to be suggested, the Gurus have made adequate comments and clarifications. The Bani of Bhagats outside the Granth Sahib is not given any authenticity. Secondly, he made the Sikh Scripture not only as the exclusive vehicle of the Guru’s message, but also gave it the status of the Guru, Guide or Teacher of the Sikhs. The creation and sanction of Guru Granth as the sole scripture of the Sikhs reveals that the Gurus were very clear and conscious of its independent and separate character, and wanted their ideology to remain as such without chance of any addition, alteration, or any departure from its authenticity or contents

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#4 Jul 13, 2012
You don't need to prove anything to anyone fam, no one takes RSS ideologies seriously in this world......except for maybe the Sikh Rajput Minhas. LOL.
Sikhimylife

Reservoir, Australia

#5 Jul 13, 2012
True Tamil Tiger wrote:
You don't need to prove anything to anyone fam, no one takes RSS ideologies seriously in this world......except for maybe the Sikh Rajput Minhas. LOL.
Real people do:)

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#6 Jul 13, 2012
Sikhimylife wrote:
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Real people do:)
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Sikhimylife

Reservoir, Australia

#7 Jul 13, 2012
True Tamil Tiger wrote:
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oh sorry posted it on wrong post....
True Fateh

Brampton, Canada

#8 Jul 13, 2012
True Tamil Tiger wrote:
You don't need to prove anything to anyone fam, no one takes RSS ideologies seriously in this world......except for maybe the Sikh Rajput Minhas. LOL.
I know man but there should be true information on here as well. There are young sikh kids on here that might read the non sense about sikhism and believe it. And its really no problem for me all I did is copy n paste lol.
True Fateh

Brampton, Canada

#9 Jul 13, 2012
South indian hindus really are the true hindus. I noticed that the south indians on here, well atleast some of them, will bad mouth sikhs or argue about military history but the north indian hindus have some type of obsession with trying to prove sikhism is apart of hinduism. They need to get a grip on reality and read the above facts so they can get a clue about how seperate sikhism is.

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#10 Jul 13, 2012
True Fateh wrote:
South indian hindus really are the true hindus. I noticed that the south indians on here, well atleast some of them, will bad mouth sikhs or argue about military history but the north indian hindus have some type of obsession with trying to prove sikhism is apart of hinduism. They need to get a grip on reality and read the above facts so they can get a clue about how seperate sikhism is.
It all boils down to psyche my friend. Its a major inferiority complex by the North Indians. They try and say that Sikhs are Hindus so that they can escape the shame of degradation that their ancestors were under before the rise of the Khalsa. If you look at it logically, without Sikhs there would be no Hinduism in North India and beyond, so what better way to try and surmount that humiliation by asserting that "Oh but Sikhs are nothing but Hindus, so Hindus completely saved themselves!!!!".

As for Hindus of the Deccan (South India/Maharashtra), we have a very glorious chapter in fighting Muslim conquests and ending Muslim rule in India with the likes of Vijayanagara, Maratha empires, etc.- so thus we don't feel compelled to take credit in other people's accomplishments.
Sikhimylife

Reservoir, Australia

#11 Jul 13, 2012
True Fateh wrote:
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I know man but there should be true information on here as well. There are young sikh kids on here that might read the non sense about sikhism and believe it. And its really no problem for me all I did is copy n paste lol.
I agree about the young Sikhs:) but then again it comes back to their level of understanding,
and if they have true belief in Sikhi:)

but otherwise, usually all thats posted is nonsense and rubbish..
literally people just start rumours to downcredit others......
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#12 Jul 17, 2012
True Tamil Tiger wrote:
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It all boils down to psyche my friend. Its a major inferiority complex by the North Indians. They try and say that Sikhs are Hindus so that they can escape the shame of degradation that their ancestors were under before the rise of the Khalsa. If you look at it logically, without Sikhs there would be no Hinduism in North India and beyond, so what better way to try and surmount that humiliation by asserting that "Oh but Sikhs are nothing but Hindus, so Hindus completely saved themselves!!!!".
As for Hindus of the Deccan (South India/Maharashtra), we have a very glorious chapter in fighting Muslim conquests and ending Muslim rule in India with the likes of Vijayanagara, Maratha empires, etc.- so thus we don't feel compelled to take credit in other people's accomplishments.
Ur theory makes a lot of sense and so far from what I have seen from the behaviour of these north indian hindus, I am beginning to accept this theory.

I think the north indian hindus have some type of inferiority complex to towards south indian hindus as well. They have no glory of their own so they try and compensate by insults. I am sure you know what I am talking about because I have seen some pathetic attacks against you.
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#13 Jul 17, 2012
Sikhimylife wrote:
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I agree about the young Sikhs:) but then again it comes back to their level of understanding,
and if they have true belief in Sikhi:)
but otherwise, usually all thats posted is nonsense and rubbish..
literally people just start rumours to downcredit others......
Thats why I have posted true information in a manner that is easily understandable. All we can do is post truthful information in order to combat all the false information being posted about sikhism on this forum.
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#14 Jul 17, 2012
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Vishnu is the One True God, who is proclaimed in the Vedas. He is the transcendental, Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent Supreme Lord. Vishnu is the One True God and Ruler of all the Universes and all Material and Spirtual Creation. He is the eternal, ever-youthful, and Supremely blissful Supreme Lord. Vishnu created the material Universes by breathing them out of Himself. All the Universes in the material world were created by him 4 Quadrillion years ago. Shortly after this creation the first Brahma was born from a lotus flower emanating from him. Brahma being the first human inquired about where he was and spent most of his life trying to find Vishnu. Brahma emanated from a lotus flower out of Vishnu's navel. Brahma could not find the limits of the Supreme Lord Vishnu. At the beginning of creation 4 Quadrillion years ago, Vishnu created the Vedas and imparted it to Brahma. Later Brahma passed the Vedic Knowledge on to his sons Shiva and Narada and they passed this ancient Vedic Knowledge on to the human race. This Vedic Knowledge has been in existence for 4 Quadrillion years because Vishnu imparted the Vedas to the first Brahma at his birth, and according to the Mahabharta there have been seven brahmas so far. Each Brahma lives for 311 trillion, 40 billion years and a period of equal unmanifestation lasts another 311 trillion, 40 billion years. Thus there are 622 trillion, 80 billion years between the births of each Brahma. Since the Vedas were first imparted to the first of Seven Brahmas that would make the Vedas 7 times 622 trillion, 80 billion years old or approximately 4 Quadrillion years old.
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#15 Jul 17, 2012
Sikhism on VishnuSikhism instructs to worship the One true God, the Creator of all that exists. Sikhs do not worship the Gods of the Hindu Pantheon, idols of stone or any other material.

Though the Guru Granth Sahib and the Dasam Granth refer to the words Shiva, Vishnu, Krishna, Allah and other names familiar to the Hindus and Muslims, it uses these names in a different context.

Some Bani from the Guru Granth Sahib:

God is the creator of all.“He created air, water, fire, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva”(Guru Granth Sahib, 504).

“He created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, who act according to His Will”(Guru Granth Sahib, 948).

“The performance of countless millions of other devotions is not even equal to one devotion to the Name of God”(Guru Granth Sahib, 1163).“Those who serve Shiva and Brahma cannot find the limits of God”(Guru Granth Sahib, 516).

The ones who serve any other instead of God cannot attain salvation. Salvation is granted only by God.“Everyone must serve the One Lord, who created Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. O Nanak, the One True Lord is permanent and stable. He does not die, and He is not born”(Guru Granth Sahib, 1130).

By the order of God, Brahma obtained a body. By the order of God, Shiva was born. By the order of God, Vishnu was born. Everything is created by God. God, who made Shiva a yogi. God, who gave Brahma the kingdom of Vedas. God, who has shaped the entire universe. Is the one we salute. They consider that Shiva is God. They are unaware of the Supreme Primal Lord.(Benti Chaupee Sahib).

Sikhi teaches that their is only one God. The Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the Holy Scripture of the Sikhs. Sikhs bow their head in their Gurdwaras to Guru Granth Sahib as a sign of respect but Sikhs do not worship the scriptures. Considered the Eleventh spiritual teacher of the Sikhs which shows the way to meet God. Guru Nanak instructs that idol worship will not lead one to salvation. Worshipping sculptures of stone will not help one to meet God.
Nazir

Donvale, Australia

#16 Jul 17, 2012
True Fateh wrote:
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Thats why I have posted true information in a manner that is easily understandable. All we can do is post truthful information in order to combat all the false information being posted about sikhism on this forum.
Ahmadi's also need to learn that Baba Nanak was not a Muslim LOL
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#17 Jul 17, 2012
Nazir wrote:
<quoted text> Ahmadi's also need to learn that Baba Nanak was not a Muslim LOL
Ya I saw some youtube video of some muslim baba, I guess he was Ahmadi, claiming that Guru Nanak Dev ji was muslim. I was like really, we already got enough problems with hindus claimin us a branch of hinduism now we got muslims claming the founder of sikhism was a muslim.

But i don't think ahmadis are even considered muslim anymore are they?
Nazir

Donvale, Australia

#18 Jul 17, 2012
True Fateh wrote:
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Ya I saw some youtube video of some muslim baba, I guess he was Ahmadi, claiming that Guru Nanak Dev ji was muslim. I was like really, we already got enough problems with hindus claimin us a branch of hinduism now we got muslims claming the founder of sikhism was a muslim.
But i don't think ahmadis are even considered muslim anymore are they?
not according to pakistan's law !
Muslim: a person who believes in the FINALITY of the prophet Mohammad(SAW) and submits his will to Allah(SWT). This makes Mirza Ghulam a false prophet and renders them a heretic sect. I do believe that Baba Nanak helped the religious relations of hindus and muslims though
True Fateh

Etobicoke, Canada

#19 Jul 17, 2012
Nazir wrote:
<quoted text> not according to pakistan's law !
Muslim: a person who believes in the FINALITY of the prophet Mohammad(SAW) and submits his will to Allah(SWT). This makes Mirza Ghulam a false prophet and renders them a heretic sect. I do believe that Baba Nanak helped the religious relations of hindus and muslims though
Our Guru's tried to unite humanity by making them realize that we might be different (religiously) but we come from the same source thus we are all children of the same god. However, when you have muslims and their taliban/al-queida, hindus and their RSS, and various sects of christanity trying to convert everyone, the world has forget this message. Religious fanatics have really ruined the message of god in all religions. That's why you have so many people turning to atheism these days.

Relgion seems to be causing more violence than peace. If you read between the lines the biggest war going on right now is between religions. I think it's Christianity (U.S., Britian, Canada) vs. Islam (Aghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran). In the end they will both be screwed and there will be rise in Atheism/Communist power (China, Russia - return of USSR).
Nazir

Donvale, Australia

#20 Jul 17, 2012
True Fateh wrote:
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Our Guru's tried to unite humanity by making them realize that we might be different (religiously) but we come from the same source thus we are all children of the same god. However, when you have muslims and their taliban/al-queida, hindus and their RSS, and various sects of christanity trying to convert everyone, the world has forget this message. Religious fanatics have really ruined the message of god in all religions. That's why you have so many people turning to atheism these days.
Relgion seems to be causing more violence than peace. If you read between the lines the biggest war going on right now is between religions. I think it's Christianity (U.S., Britian, Canada) vs. Islam (Aghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran). In the end they will both be screwed and there will be rise in Atheism/Communist power (China, Russia - return of USSR).
Secular Panjab zindabad, Panjabistan azaad mulk banega Insha'Allah Ta'ala

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