Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#1365 Jun 3, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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GE,
The word "deny" in the Epistles of John means to "disown".
dis·own (ds-n)
tr.v. dis·owned, dis·own·ing, dis·owns
To refuse to acknowledge or accept as one's own; repudiate.
According to the word "deny" as it is used in the KJV, there is something terribly amiss with your understanding of how the RCC is of that spirit of antichrist.
Are you able to prove that the RCC "disowns"/"deni es" Jesus Christ?
GE:

Everything they believe and do, disown Christ. E.g., they worship Mary.

One should rather point out something do or teach or believe that does not deny Christ.

The sheer number of Roman Catholics belies and disowns "Christ's Own" who are, and must and will be, "FEW".
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#1366 Jun 3, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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The 144,000 is symbolic of the LAST remnant of Jews who come to Christ (born again)just prior to His return.
GE:

Extract ....

The Resurrection of Christ from the dead:

1: And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Zion,

Ephesians 1
19: That ye may know what is the exceeding greatness of God’s Power … according to the operation of the Might of his Strength 20: which He wrought in Christ raising Him from the dead, seating Him at his own right hand in heavenly exaltation 21: far above all principality and power and might and dominion and every name that is named not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave Him to be the Head over all things to the Church 23: which is His Body, the Fullness of Him that filleth all in all.

and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's Name written in their foreheads.

Matthew 27
51: And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52: And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53: and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Ephesians 4
7: Unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8: Wherefore He saith, When He ascended up on high He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9: Now that He ascended, what is it but that He also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?[Matthew 12:40] 10: He that descended is the Same that ascended up far above all heavens, that He might fill all things.”

2: And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Exodus 15
1: Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD,… I will sing unto the LORD for He hath triumphed gloriously.… 2: The LORD is My Strength and Song and He is become my salvation: He is my God, and I will prepare Him an habitation; my Father God, and I will exalt Him. 3: The LORD is a Man of War the LORD is his Name … 6: Thy Right Hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power; Thy Right Hand O LORD … 7: in the greatness of Thine Excellency.… 13: Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people Thou hast redeemed: Thou hast guided them in thy Strength unto thy Holy Habitation.… 16: O LORD … the People which Thou hast purchased 17: thou shalt bring in, and plant them in the mountain of thine Inheritance, in the Place, O LORD, which thou has made for Thee to dwell in, The Sanctuary, O LORD thy hands, have established: The LORD; He shall reign for ever and ever.

4: These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5: And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
Earburner

Salem, MA

#1367 Jun 3, 2012
Gerhard Ebersoehn wrote:
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GE:
Everything they believe and do, disown Christ. E.g., they worship Mary.
One should rather point out something do or teach or believe that does not deny Christ.
The sheer number of Roman Catholics belies and disowns "Christ's Own" who are, and must and will be, "FEW".
GE,
You've stepped out on a tangent and are willing to fabricate things to show that the RCC deny/disown Christ. It matters not what an individual of a particular faith does. Their actions or commitments do not represent the majority. As for the lowly laymen of that church or any other mainstream church, they do read their Bibles also. So, even if their "sanctuary services" are highly religious and on the pompous side, it does not affect the simple faith of a Catholic believer who trusts in Christ. The super religious (Pharissees) permeates all.

And yes, there are those who worship Mary. Is that any worse than those who worship the sabbath?

Since: Jul 09

St. Paul

#1368 Jun 4, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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Where in all of the NT-KJV does it ever say "THE" Antichrist?
It doesn't!
Where in the Hebrew does it say "In _the_ beginning" in Gen. 1:1? It doesn't!
Earburner

Salem, MA

#1369 Jun 4, 2012
1. When I say "THE" Antichrist", what is it that you could imagine him/it to be? Someone of the most ultimate evil, breathing threatnings, speaking blasphemous words and persecuting the saints?

2. But if I say "that spirit of antichrist", will you imagine such theories as the "Theory of Evolution" to be antichrist, or maybe just a simple person who denies the Father and the Son, as did Judas Iscariot? Since Jesus did call him to be "the son of perdition", which was his character similar to,#1 or #2?

If then he was "the son of perdition", was he not also that man of sin, the natural man, the old man?
Which is which, if they not all be the same?
EGW

Denver, CO

#1370 Jun 16, 2012
The prophecy of Revelation 13 declares that the power represented by the beast with lamblike horns shall cause "the earth and them which dwell therein" to worship the papacy—there symbolized by the beast "like unto a leopard." The beast with two horns is also to say "to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast;" and, furthermore, it is to command all, "both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond," to receive the mark of the beast. Revelation 13:11-16. It has been shown that the United States is the power represented by the beast with lamblike horns, and that this prophecy will be fulfilled when the United States shall enforce Sunday observance, which Rome claims as the special acknowledgment of her supremacy. But in this homage to the papacy the United States will not be alone. The influence of Rome in the countries that once acknowledged her dominion is still far from being destroyed. And prophecy foretells a restoration of her power. "I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." Verse 3. The infliction of the deadly wound points to the downfall of the papacy in 1798. After this, says the prophet, "his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." Paul states plainly that the "man of sin" will continue until the second advent. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8. To the very close of time he will carry forward the work of deception. And the revelator declares, also referring to the papacy: "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life." Revelation 13:8. In both the Old and the New World, the papacy will receive homage in the honor paid to the Sunday institution, that rests solely upon the authority of the Roman Church.

Since the middle of the nineteenth century, students of prophecy in the United States have presented this testimony to the world. In the events now taking place is seen a rapid advance toward the fulfillment of the prediction. With Protestant teachers there is the same claim of divine authority for Sundaykeeping, and the same lack of Scriptural evidence, as with the papal leaders who fabricated miracles to supply the place of a command from God. The assertion that God's judgments are visited upon men for their violation of the Sunday-sabbath, will be repeated; already it is beginning to be urged. And a movement to enforce Sunday observance is fast gaining ground. DD 27
Earburner

Haverhill, MA

#1371 Jun 17, 2012
EGW wrote:
The prophecy of Revelation 13 declares that the power represented by the beast with lamblike horns shall cause "the earth and them which dwell therein" to worship the papacy—there symbolized by the beast "like unto a leopard." The beast with two horns is also to say "to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast;" and, furthermore, it is to command all, "both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond," to receive the mark of the beast. Revelation 13:11-16. It has been shown that the United States is the power represented by the beast with lamblike horns, and that this prophecy will be fulfilled when the United States shall enforce Sunday observance, which Rome claims as the special acknowledgment of her supremacy. But in this homage to the papacy the United States will not be alone. The influence of Rome in the countries that once acknowledged her dominion is still far from being destroyed. And prophecy foretells a restoration of her power. "I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." Verse 3. The infliction of the deadly wound points to the downfall of the papacy in 1798. After this, says the prophet, "his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." Paul states plainly that the "man of sin" will continue until the second advent. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8. To the very close of time he will carry forward the work of deception. And the revelator declares, also referring to the papacy: "All that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life." Revelation 13:8. In both the Old and the New World, the papacy will receive homage in the honor paid to the Sunday institution, that rests solely upon the authority of the Roman Church.
Since the middle of the nineteenth century, students of prophecy in the United States have presented this testimony to the world. In the events now taking place is seen a rapid advance toward the fulfillment of the prediction. With Protestant teachers there is the same claim of divine authority for Sundaykeeping, and the same lack of Scriptural evidence, as with the papal leaders who fabricated miracles to supply the place of a command from God. The assertion that God's judgments are visited upon men for their violation of the Sunday-sabbath, will be repeated; already it is beginning to be urged. And a movement to enforce Sunday observance is fast gaining ground. DD 27
Nope!! The Lamb like beast, the USA, promotes a false peace and security by causing fire (weapons of war) to come down from heaven, and then saying to the people of the world THAT THEY should MAKE an image (likeness)to the 1st beast/Europe, which was wounded by a sword (war) but now is healed (The EU). That image is The United Nations, a GLOBAL government forthe nations.

The two horns of the Lamb like beast are symbolic of its two forms of government, the Republicans and Democrats. Please remember, horns NEVER become Beasts!!! That goes for the little horn(s) in Daniel also.
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#1372 Jun 17, 2012
Getting back to the topic how does EB provide an architecture for the Day of A which has to be fulfilled on account of the fact that just as the other Feast days had anti-typical fulfillment so does the Day of A= Leviticus 16 and Daniel 8:14, as well as the Judgement of Daniel 7. These are all in relation to Hebrews 9:26 from the context of verse 23,24,25.

Can EB explain why Daniel 8:14 fits like a glove in relation to Hebrews 9:23,24,25 and why Antiochus E theology does not? How can EB provide an adequate explanation for sin elimination at the consummation of the ages without Daniel 8:14 in relation to Revelation 15:8?
Earburner

Lowell, MA

#1373 Jun 18, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
Getting back to the topic how does EB provide an architecture for the Day of A which has to be fulfilled on account of the fact that just as the other Feast days had anti-typical fulfillment so does the Day of A= Leviticus 16 and Daniel 8:14, as well as the Judgement of Daniel 7. These are all in relation to Hebrews 9:26 from the context of verse 23,24,25.
Heb. 9[28] So CHRIST WAS ONCE OFFERED to bear the sins of many; AND UNTO THEM that look for him SHALL HE APPEAR the second time without sin UNTO SALVATION.
Earthcaller wrote:
Can EB explain why Daniel 8:14 fits like a glove in relation to Hebrews 9:23,24,25 and why Antiochus E theology does not?
Dan. 8 has nothing to do with Heb 9. That prophecy was shown to be fulfilled in 1 Maccabees.
Earthcaller wrote:
How can EB provide an adequate explanation for sin elimination at the consummation of the ages without Daniel 8:14 in relation to Revelation 15:8?
Unto them that look for Him, SIN HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. CHRIST WAS ONCE OFFERED to bear the sins of many!!!
Rom.8[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Heb.9[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Sin is not a NOUN, that is moved/shuffled from one place then another!!

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#1374 Jun 18, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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Nope!! The Lamb like beast, the USA, promotes a false peace and security by causing fire (weapons of war) to come down from heaven, and then saying to the people of the world THAT THEY should MAKE an image (likeness)to the 1st beast/Europe, which was wounded by a sword (war) but now is healed (The EU).
So what exactly is it that you are disagreeing with here?
Earburner wrote:
That image is The United Nations, a GLOBAL government forthe nations.
You are playing semantics here. When Ellen White said, "The "image to the beast" represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas....{FLB 286.4}", neither she, nor you are wrong. The US, the Protestants, and the UN are intrinsically tied together--all creating this big image. But, what primarily identifies the "image" is reflecting, or mirroring, the false RELIGIOUS principles of the First Beast before it. Therefore, Ellen White is not wrong, but you are not wrong either--so long as you realize how closely and interwoven these powers are. In fact, many leaders of the EU and the United States are professed Protestants.
Earburner wrote:
The two horns of the Lamb like beast are symbolic of its two forms of government, the Republicans and Democrats..
Actually, the represent Civil and Religious Liberty, or Republicanism and Protestantism. It represents these two institutions. In a secondary sense, it can also represent the Republicans and Democrats.

JN. Andrews succinctly stated:

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We understand these horns to denote the civil and religious power of this nation-its Republican civil power, and its Protestant ecclesiastical. If it be objected that its civil power ought to be represented by the beast, rather than by a horn of the beast, we refer to one or two facts that will meet this point. The civil power of Grecia was represented by the great horn of the goat; and when that civil power was broken, the beast still continued to exist; and in the place of that one civil government, arose four. And we may add, that when the dominion of the different beasts of Dan. vii, was taken away, their lives were prolonged for a season and time. That is, the nation still lived, though the dominion of the nation was destroyed. Hence we understand that the beasts
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denote the nations which constitute the different kingdoms, and the horns of the beast denote the civil and religious power of the nations. No civil power could ever compare with Republicanism in its lamb-like character. The grand principle recognized by this form of power, is thus expressed: "All men are born free and equal, and endowed with certain inalienable rights, as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Hence, all have a right to participate in making the laws, and in designating who shall execute them. Was there ever a development of civil power so lamb-like before? And what, in religious matters, can be compared with Protestantism? Its leading sentiment is the distinct recognition of the right of private judgment in matters of conscience. "The Bible is the only religion of Protestants." Was there ever in the religious world any thing to equal this in its lamb-like professions? Such we consider the meaning of the "two horns like a lamb." {1855 JNA, TAR 95.1}
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Earburner wrote:
Please remember, horns NEVER become Beasts!!! That goes for the little horn(s) in Daniel also.
Horns never "become" beasts, but this does not mean that that a power represented as a horn in one place cannot be represented as a beast in another. Comparing the Little Horn of Daniel 7 and the Sea Beast of Rev. 13 is a perfect example of this. And Daniel 8 proves that horns can grow out of horns also, just like horns can grow out of beasts.
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#1375 Jun 18, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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Heb. 9[28] So CHRIST WAS ONCE OFFERED to bear the sins of many; AND UNTO THEM that look for him SHALL HE APPEAR the second time without sin UNTO SALVATION.
<quoted text>
Dan. 8 has nothing to do with Heb 9. That prophecy was shown to be fulfilled in 1 Maccabees.
<quoted text>
Unto them that look for Him, SIN HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. CHRIST WAS ONCE OFFERED to bear the sins of many!!!
Rom.8[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Heb.9[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Sin is not a NOUN, that is moved/shuffled from one place then another!!
Bearing sin and reconciliation are a first Agenda Scenario see Leviticus 4:22-35 and these relate to Passover and Calvary.

Hebrews 7:26 presents the High Priestly Ministration which presents an anti-thetical scenario when compared with what is mentioned above on account of the final dumping away of sin at the consummation of the ages.

The problem is the fact that you have not addressed the issue of the context of Hebrews 9:26 it is from the context of the High Priestly ministry in Hebrews 9:23,24,25 and not Christ's second coming. Your opening verse has an explanation from Hebrews 9:26. By the sacrifice of himself,= the fact that the High Priestly ministration utilizes that perfect sacrifice for that perfect Final Atonement at the end of time during the consummation of the ages prior to his second coming. The HP uses that same perfect sacrifice but not the same agenda of individual forgiveness on Calvary. Your problem lays in the fact that the Day of A has to be fulfilled, see Hebrews 9:26. Sin elimination was the Agenda of the Day of A and your theology lacks architecture with regard to how it is to be fulfilled. The context of Hebrews 9:26 presents the consummation of the ages from the time frame of the entrance into the Sanctuary and Daniel 7 and 8 and Leviticus 16 and Ezekiel 9 as well as Peter =(judgement of the house of God) pinpoint the issue of the cleansing of the house of God to Rev 14:6,7.

What you need to understand is the fact that the Judgement is the Day of A. You are either cleansed by the righteousness of your High Priest or you are judged by your works at the end of the millennium.

Since you are in conflict with the Day of A, I am assuming that you prefer the judgement at the Great White Throne which is the great error of Evangelical theology.
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#1376 Jun 18, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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<quoted text>
Heb.9[26] For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Sin is not a NOUN, that is moved/shuffled from one place then another!!
Sin is not moved around as you say,that part is true, but records of forgiven sin are blotted out. The final elimination is by way of the High Priestly ministration which utilizes the perfect sacrifice of Calvary but its another Agenda, its called individual cleansing. The first agenda of Calvary was sin forgiveness and reconciliation not sin cleansing which is the the Day of A agenda at the end of time.

So you will have to decide if there is a final anti-typical fulfillment of the Day of A at the end of time.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#1377 Jun 18, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
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Sin is not moved around as you say,that part is true, but records of forgiven sin are blotted out. The final elimination is by way of the High Priestly ministration which utilizes the perfect sacrifice of Calvary but its another Agenda, its called individual cleansing. The first agenda of Calvary was sin forgiveness and reconciliation not sin cleansing which is the the Day of A agenda at the end of time.
So you will have to decide if there is a final anti-typical fulfillment of the Day of A at the end of time.
GE:

It's all one and the same and once for all in Jesus Christ, yesterday, today and forever THE SAME._HE_, is our forgiveness as _HE_ is God's atonement for sins as _HE_ is our reconciliation and eternal once for all salvation and redemption._HE_ in having died and resurrected again: "BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER" and "THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF GOD'S POWER AND STRENGTH OF HIS MIGHT WHICH HE WORKED WHEN HE RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD".

What other resources do you want God to wave his magic-working wand with AND WHAT OTHER PURPOSES FOR?
With another shedding of Jesus blood?
With a second resurrection of Him?
With another Spirit of Holiness wherewith God declared Him Son of the Living God?
Was God not The Almighty "WHEN He RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD"?
Does God have a second right hand at which He might SET CHRIST IN HEAVENLY MAJESTY AND LORDSHIP far above EVERY NAME” even his own “that is named”?

Mrs White got you mixed up, old chap!
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#1378 Jun 19, 2012
Gerhard Ebersoehn wrote:
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GE:
It's all one and the same and once for all in Jesus Christ, yesterday, today and forever THE SAME._HE_, is our forgiveness as _HE_ is God's atonement for sins as _HE_ is our reconciliation and eternal once for all salvation and redemption._HE_ in having died and resurrected again: "BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER" and "THE EXCEEDING GREATNESS OF GOD'S POWER AND STRENGTH OF HIS MIGHT WHICH HE WORKED WHEN HE RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD".
What other resources do you want God to wave his magic-working wand with AND WHAT OTHER PURPOSES FOR?
With another shedding of Jesus blood?
With a second resurrection of Him?
With another Spirit of Holiness wherewith God declared Him Son of the Living God?
Was God not The Almighty "WHEN He RAISED CHRIST FROM THE DEAD"?
Does God have a second right hand at which He might SET CHRIST IN HEAVENLY MAJESTY AND LORDSHIP far above EVERY NAME” even his own “that is named”?
Mrs White got you mixed up, old chap!
You are the one who is confused, you state that Christ is this and that but you deny the time frame of when he carries out that certain aspect of the HPM which we call the Day of A. You are basically a deceiver and you do not adhere to the teaching of the Bible.
Earburner

Lowell, MA

#1379 Jun 19, 2012
Ref. Post #1374
"General" Lysimachus,
Very good reply!! Unfortunately, your hidden drive and agenda is to establish a mandatory, GLOBAL worship of Sunday.
Though an attempt for "world peace", through controlled warfare, may be in conjunction with civil and religious authorities, your SDA doctrine for global Sunday will never happen!

The United Nations is made up of many people from many religions. It is highly unreligious and is specifically not wearing christian garb or a christian name!

However, on the UN monument, outside its headquarters in NY, there appears the INCOMPLETE words quoted from Isa. 2[4](And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and) "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

If there ever was a "spirit of antichrist", that is it! Nothing evil looking or threatning in the least bit. But what has it done?It has taken the words of God and used it for ITS OWN PURPOSES, which is very typical of what a false prophet does. In the entirety of its power it DENIES that Jesus has come in the flesh!!! And through its UNreligion and engraved words on its momument, it denies the Father and the Son. And why not! Did it not exclude the first part of Isa. 2:4?
Lay Worker

Jerilderie, Australia

#1380 Jun 19, 2012
Earburner wrote:
Ref. Post #1374
"General" Lysimachus,
Very good reply!! Unfortunately, your hidden drive and agenda is to establish a mandatory, GLOBAL worship of Sunday.
Though an attempt for "world peace", through controlled warfare, may be in conjunction with civil and religious authorities, your SDA doctrine for global Sunday will never happen!
The United Nations is made up of many people from many religions. It is highly unreligious and is specifically not wearing christian garb or a christian name!
However, on the UN monument, outside its headquarters in NY, there appears the INCOMPLETE words quoted from Isa. 2[4](And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and) "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."
If there ever was a "spirit of antichrist", that is it! Nothing evil looking or threatning in the least bit. But what has it done?It has taken the words of God and used it for ITS OWN PURPOSES, which is very typical of what a false prophet does. In the entirety of its power it DENIES that Jesus has come in the flesh!!! And through its UNreligion and engraved words on its momument, it denies the Father and the Son. And why not! Did it not exclude the first part of Isa. 2:4?
Doesnt align with Isa 2:3

Try again
Stuff

Brampton, Canada

#1381 Jun 19, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
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Doesnt align with Isa 2:3
Try again
Lay Worker, don't you ever get the feeling that your mouth is not aligning with your brain? There has to be a rational explanation for your frequent attempts, stillborn as they are, at exposition. Have you considered therapy?
Earthcaller

Kissimmee, FL

#1382 Jun 19, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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Heb. 9[28]
<quoted text>
Dan. 8 has nothing to do with Heb 9. That prophecy was shown to be fulfilled in 1 Maccabees.
<quoted text>
So how do you go about explaining the final feast of sin elimination prior to Yeshua's second coming as stated in Hebrews 9:26 from the context of verses 23,24,25?
Lay Worker

Jerilderie, Australia

#1383 Jun 19, 2012
Earthcaller wrote:
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So how do you go about explaining the final feast of sin elimination prior to Yeshua's second coming as stated in Hebrews 9:26 from the context of verses 23,24,25?
The readers are waiting, hopefully not too long
for a response on this specific text.

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Earburner

Lowell, MA

#1384 Jun 19, 2012
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesnt align with Isa 2:3
Try again
Lay Worker wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesnt align with Isa 2:3
Try again
You've got to be kidding me!!! Put this on for size as to what the UN has done with God's word from Isa. 2:4:

1 Thes. 5[3] For WHEN they shall say, PEACE and SAFETY; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
The UN purposely left out the first part of Isa. 2:4 and is claiming it for itself as ITS MISSION STATEMENT...APART from God!!!

In the UN's eyes, there WILL BE peace on earth, even if it means war, killing and bloodshed to get it done! But what does God say through Paul? In the midst of them trying to achieve World Peace, the Lord Himself will come and destroy them all.

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