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<quoted text>New job, been busy thats all.

BTW, the SDA view point is a long string of false doctrines, rooted in error. To point out a single error involves one with an avalanche of erroneous SDA doctrines.

For example, Antiochus E. is one of those ten horns on the 10H beast in Dan. and Rev.
Dan. 72.[20] And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, AND BEFORE (from the East) WHOM three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows (companions).
The THREE horns that fell were Medio-Persia (Ram-2 horns) and Alexander the Great (a notable horn).

As for "his fellows", Antiochus E. came out from that company of the 4 Generals. Dan. 8[8]... and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
[9] And OUT OF ONE OF THEM came forth a little horn,....",
which was Antiochus E.

If you don't comprehend FULLY the history of the horns and heads of all the beasts in Daniel, error from that point just continues to pile up into a nasty mess of fabrications, which is what the SDA doctrines are.
More sun-dial dreaming, hermetic dragon teaching.

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The Antiochus teaching is bird-chirpin gibberish mi friend Earburner and you know it.

I feel sorry for you because it is comical watching you continue to dig yourself in a deeper and deeper hole to try and convince yourself of this lunacy.

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Earburner wrote:
In Rev. are there not two Jerusalems, two "great cities"??
Yes!
1. Jerusalem which now is here on earth.
2. Jerusalem which is above.
The question remains: WHERE was our Lord crucified?
Ans. In that "great city".
Our focus will be on Jerusalem which now is.
According to Rev., what city is called that "great city".
Ans. Jerusalem.
Rev. 11[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Where was our Lord crucified?
In Jerusalem which now is.
Which of the two Jerusalems is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt?
Ans. "Jerusalem which now is", "where also our Lord was crucified".
What does Sodom and Egypt SPIRITUALLY imply?
Sodom- sin/corruption
Egypt- slavery/bondage
Rom. 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Jerusalem which now is, is cursed and under the bondage of corruption with her children.
Gal. 4[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all (who are of faith).
Time to refute this foolishness once and for all.

There is a literal New Jerusalem, just as once there was a literal Babylon. Unilke literal Babylon, New Jerusalem exists at this very hour in heaven. According to Revelation 21:1-4, it will one day exist literally on the earth. But like Babylon, New Jerusalem also symbolizes something. It is called the Lamb's "bride," who has "made herself ready" and is "clothed" with the "righteous deeds of the saints"." (Rev 19:7,8. Like Babylon, it is a smbol of a vast community, but not of the wicked! New Jerusalem is the community of the righteous, the true church, the "host" of Daniel 8:13,14, which is "trampled" on by the citizens of the great city, Babylon (Rev 14:8; 16:19; 17:18; 18:10; etc.)

But the "great city" is described in Revelation 11:8 as the place "where their Lord was crucified." This this is what has led some readers to assume that it is old literal Jerusalem. But the same place is "allegorically called Sodom and Egypt." Sodom stood for vice and luxury. See Gen 19:4-8 and Ezekiel 16:49,50, 56-58. It fittingly represented the exorbant luxury and vice of European nobility and royalty and the orgy of immorality associated with the French Revolution.(Paris was wide open, and at least one eighth of all marriageable women may be estimated to have practiced prostitution.) The Pharaoh of Egypt in Moses' time enslaved the Israelites and scoffed, "I do not know the Lord, and moreover I will not let Israel go." Exodus 5:2. Egypt symbolized the bold skepticis of the philosphies and the blatant de-Christianization of the Revolution.

Hebrews 6:4, 5 settles the matter! It shows that Jesus has been crucified wherever His people have apostatized seriously from Bible truth.

"It is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they commit apostasy, since they CRUCIFY THE SON OF GOD ON THEIR OWN ACCOUNT AND HOLD HIM UP TO CONTEMPT." (Heb. 6:4,5)

The holy city (God's people) was trampled during the entire 1260 days. The two witnesses during the same prophesied in sadness and sackcloth. But at the end of the period the French REvolution uniquely fulfilled this reference to crucifying Jesus.

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(Continuing to REFUTE Earburner's pathetic theology...)

Just like the Heavenly Temple mirrors and reflects God's earthly Temple, the Church, so likewise, the literal New Jerusalem in heaven is a symbol of God's Church on earth. When you make war on a city, are you making war on the city itself, or its CITIZENS? Obviously its citizens. Likewise, while we are not physically in the New Jerusalem, according to Hebrews 12:22 and 23, we are indeed citizens of the New Jerusalem. Therefore, when God's people are trampled, they are trampling that "HOLY CITY". The citizens that is.

Those Gentiles represented atheist and communistic France, and the Two Witnesses represented the Old and New Testament. The Bible was banned for exactly 3 1/2 years (3 1/2 days) from November 24, 1793 when the Churches of Paris were closed and the public reading of Bibles forbidden to April 1797 when the Churches of Paris were reopened, and the public reading of the Bible was once again encouraged among Protestants.

The entire subject of Revelation 11 has NOTHING to do with Old Jerusalem. This is grotesque literalism at its best! The measuring of the temple has to do with the measuring of God's people, and this is specifically referring to the Pre-Advent Investigative Judgment that began in 1844 at the conclusion of the 2300 year prophecy which commenced in 457 B.C.

The "measuring" of the temple is analogous to the terminology Paul utilized to measuring God's people in Ephesians 4:13 and 16.

What is the "GREAT CITY"? Revelation 11:7, 8 says, "And when they [the two witnesses] have finished their testimony," that is, when they have finished prophesying clothed in sackcloth during the 1260 years, "the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and conquer them and kill them, and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified."

We must identify the "great city." Some readers equate it with the "holy city" of verse 2 and conclude that it is the literal city of Jerusalem, where Jesus was literally crucified. Revelation 21:2, however, identifies the "HOLY CITY" with New Jerusalem, not with the old city of Jerusalem. Says John, "I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Many things in Revelation come to PAIRS OF OPPOSITIES. For instance, there are two insignia, the "seal of God" and the "mark of the beast." There are two resurrections, the first for the "blessed and holy," the second for everyone else. There are two mothers, one pure clothed in white, the other a harlot draped in red. Among still other pairs, there are two cities, the holy city and the great city. As we have just seen, the holy city is New Jerusalem. The other city, the great city, is Babylon. "Alas alas! thou GREAT CITY thou mighty city, Babylon!" (Revelation 18:10. See also 18:2, 16, etc.)

We all know that a literal city of Babylon flourished back in Daniel's day. By John's time it was a ghost town, and it has never been an inhabited city since. Thus the "Babylon" of Revelation cannot be a literal city. It is a symbol of the vast community of people who, like Babylon of old, were to blaspheme God and persecute the true saints.

Consistency demands, therefore, that if Babylon is spiritual, representing a community of people, then also the Holy City mentioned in Revelation 11:2 also represents a God's spiritual people, who reflect and mirror their home, the literal city in heaven of which they are members of.

It makes no sense to have Spiritual Babylon in Revelation juxtaposed to Literal Jerusalem. NO! It would have to be Literal Babylon juxtaposed to Literal Jerusalem or Israel. But, it is not so! It must be Spiritual Babylon juxtaposed to Spiritual Jerusalem or Israel! Consistency DEMANDS this sound hermeneutical principle.

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(Continuing to REFUTE Earburner's erroneous theology...)

Now it is true that the New Jerusalem is called the "great city" in Revelation 21:10. But it is qualified with the phrase "the holy Jerusalem" right after. That is the same as "holy city". It is the same also as the "Beloved City".

Those Christians who are looking to the Middle East for fulfillment of God's promises to Israel will, sadly, be EXTREMELY disappointed. For that is the Devil's COUNTERFEIT prophecy, preventing God's people from discerning spiritual things, and viewing the prophetic declarations through carnal lenses of grotesque literalism!

Going back to the "great city", we must emphasize--Babylon is primarily noted as the "great city". Unequivocally! But it is a counterfeit to God's city, the REAL and TRUE "GREAT CITY". But not the Old Jerusalem!

THE OLD JERUSALEM HAS BEEN CAST OUT!!!

4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to JERUSALEM WHICH NOW IS, and is in BONDAGE with her children.
4:26 But JERUSALEM WHICH IS ABOVE IS FREE, AND MOTHER OF US ALL.
4:27 For it is written, Rejoice,[thou] barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now.
4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.(Galatians 4:24-30)

Thus we see that since the Old Jerusalem has already been "cast out", the Jerusalem in Revelation can no longer be in consideration when John wrote the book.:)

The proof is in the pudding brother. I have just presented sound exegetical and Biblical data which you must come to grips with. The research I am presenting is not only based on my 15 years of intense, and I mean intense personal study, but also coupled with my father's 40 years of exhaustive study and research of the Bible and history.

Jesuit Futurism and Preterism are the two great lies that emanate from the mouth of the Great Hermetic Dragon. And these spurious theologies which you are espousing are nothing but Jesuit manufactured theology to OFFSET the sound historicist principles established by our Godly reformers of old who God used to place the brand of Antichrist on the great false religious System of the Papacy.

Men like you and your perfidious, heretical, trash theology will come down. These spurious interpretations do not withstand the test of sound Biblical exegesis and investigation.

They are FALSE. And no matter how hard you try to convince yourself that they are true, they will STILL be FALSE!

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But what about Jerusalem becoming "Babylon"? you ask? Isn't the Old Jerusalem "Babylon"? Since that "great city" is where our Lord was "crucified", shouldn't "Babylon" be the Old Jerusalem?

NO!

None of this means anything anymore at this point after I have presented my views. Old Jerusalem was NOT Babylon itself, but Old Jerusalem became a harlot to Babylon. Babylon was Rome, both Pagan and Papal. Jerusalem became a part of Babylon by joining hands with Babylon, and committing fornication with her.

Proof?

"How is the faithful city BECOME AN HARLOT! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers." (Isaiah 1:21)

"They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast PLAYED THE HARLOT WITH MANY LOVERS; yet return again to me, saith the LORD." (Jeremiah 3:1)

Babylon is the MOTHER of harlots. Jerusalem became a DAUGHTER. You cannot exegetically equate Old Jerusalem as being the Mother Harlot. She became a daughter.

Old Jerusalem became a type of the great apostasy that would envelope the whole world in the last days, and that is why John the Revelator takes much Old Testament Local Typology, and redefines it on a global-world-wide-spiritual-ba sis.

The court of the sanctuary IN Revelation 11 represents the world. That is where the Lamb was crucified--in the court. The Sanctuary temple structure itself represented the heavenly sanctuary.

Who are the "nations" in the "court outside"? Revelation 11:2 speaks of "nations" who occupy the "court outside the temple." First off we ought to know that the word translated "nations" is the same word translated over ninety times in the New Testament as "Gentiles." The venerable King James Version and such modern ones as the New English Bible and the New International Version do, in fact, use the word Gentiles in translating this passage.

The translation "Gentiles" helps immediately when we learn that in the New Testament times the great temple in Jerusalem included inner courts where only Jews could worship, and a large outer court, for devout Gentiles who desired to worship God.(The low wall separating the Gentile court from the Jewish courts is referred to symbolically in Ephesians 2:14.)

Now, in Revelation 11 the Gentiles who come to worship in the outer court "TRAMPLE" for 1260 years on the "HOLY CITY", which we have come to see, above represents the community of righteous people. At once we are reminded of the little horn of Daniel 7, which was to persecute the saints during the same period, and of the little horn of Daniel 8, which "trampled" on the "host." These little horns principally represent the bad side of Christianity during the Middle Ages and later. In as much as the "gentiles" (or "NATIONS") in Revelation 11 are in the outer court, we know they are worshipers of God. This encourages our interpretation that they represent a kind of Christian.

We must conclude, therefore, that the "nations" or "Gentiles" of Revelation 11:2 are Christians who do not live up to their profession and who harass other Christians who do.

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. These prophecies will never be understood as long as you literalize them and read them in chronological order.

The issues in Revelation pertain to a global, world-wide Great Controversy between Christ and Satan, and John the Revelator takes Old Testament Jerusalem and local Palestinian settings in their local vicinity to serve as a "type" of the world-wide spiritual conflict between good and evil. He lifts them out of their local typological settings and redefines them in their Antitypical, world-wide settings in the book of Revelation.

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(Concluding our refutation of Earburner's demented theology...)

As we have already demonstrated, Earburner has taken Types and gone back to Types.

With his Jesuit Psuedepigraphal mythology splattered all over God's Holy Writ, he violates the sound Biblical hermeneutical principles of prophetic interpretation. With his shaky foundation, types always end up going back to types, local always ends up going to local, and literal always ends up going back to literal.

But God's rules are thus:

Types point forward to Antitypes, Local points forward to Global, and Literal points forward to Spiritual!

I will pray that the Lord will help him to wake up from the theological quagmire which he has inadvertently (or willfully) fallen.

In His service,

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Lysimachus wrote:
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It was France!
France is bandied around as the 'great city' in Rev 11:8 is unconvincing - its old Adventism. Actually the idea of the great city being France was introduced by Protestant commentators of the pre 1844 era -- JB Himes, J Litch and got airplay with Wm Miller and then woven into Adventism by Haskel and Co.

Further, the additional Scriptural references in Revelation to 'the great city' dont cator for France either

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Lay Worker wrote:
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France is bandied around as the 'great city' in Rev 11:8 is unconvincing - its old Adventism. Actually the idea of the great city being France was introduced by Protestant commentators of the pre 1844 era -- JB Himes, J Litch and got airplay with Wm Miller and then woven into Adventism by Haskel and Co.
Further, the additional Scriptural references in Revelation to 'the great city' dont cator for France either
Only when you fail to read the rest of the commentary on the rest of Revelation.

C. Mervin Maxwell did a profound job. Before one makes a false charge that other passages don't "fit", first allow our Adventist commentators to finish commenting on them FULLY before disqualifying their interpretations.

Buy God Cares, Volume 1 and 2. They are informative.
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Lay Worker wrote:
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France is bandied around as the 'great city' in Rev 11:8 is unconvincing - its old Adventism. Actually the idea of the great city being France was introduced by Protestant commentators of the pre 1844 era -- JB Himes, J Litch and got airplay with Wm Miller and then woven into Adventism by Haskel and Co.
Further, the additional Scriptural references in Revelation to 'the great city' dont cator for France either
Great post Law Worker! France could NOT have been that place as there was no earthquake. Only those who allow EGW to rule their faith and belief are so stupid to even believe that.
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Lysimachus wrote:
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Only when you fail to read the rest of the commentary on the rest of Revelation.
C. Mervin Maxwell did a profound job. Before one makes a false charge that other passages don't "fit", first allow our Adventist commentators to finish commenting on them FULLY before disqualifying their interpretations.
Buy God Cares, Volume 1 and 2. They are informative.
Hey Lysimachus, go back to clubadventist and write your trash there for everyone as they are all lost anyway as they, like you believe EGW was a true prophet. Lay Worker was correct and you are wrong as was my old friend M Maxwell and company.

The 2300 years ended in 1844, but the event was not the IJ or the coming of Christ, it was the start of the NEW Kingdom of Heaven as prophesied about in Dan. 2.
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Lysimachus wrote:
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Only when you fail to read the rest of the commentary on the rest of Revelation.
C. Mervin Maxwell did a profound job. Before one makes a false charge that other passages don't "fit", first allow our Adventist commentators to finish commenting on them FULLY before disqualifying their interpretations.
Buy God Cares, Volume 1 and 2. They are informative.
INFORMATIVE ALRIGHT

Dr. Mervin Maxwell acted on his fathers advice.

And he has put out two books “God Care’s volume 1” and “God Care’s volume 2,” one on Daniel and one on Revelation. Notice very carefully what these books say. Now this is the son of Maxwell. Arthur Maxwell’s son, Mervin Maxwell.

Follow this closely, this is on pages 126 and 127
of “God Care’s volume 1”.

“Thus the apostasy and the persecution which marked Christianity during the centuries has provided evidence of reliability of Bible prophecy. With four principles in mind,#(1) that there is more than one Antichrist, and we are not trying to identify not the antichrist but only the little horn and that #(2) that in Daniel 7, God purposely presented a one sided picture of Rome as a terrible beast in order to emphasise His displeasure at persecution.(3) That, the New Testament like the Old, foretold persecution for the church and (4) that the New Testament also foretold serious apostasy within the church. We are ready to proceed with the 8 identifying marks of the little horn”.

And he lists these 8 identifying marks, and you’re familiar with them from Daniel 7. And now his conclusion,

“Only one entity really fits all 8 of these identifying marks - the “Christian church” which arose to religio-political power as the Roman Empire declined and which enjoyed a special influence over the minds of men between the 6th and the 18th centuries. To call this “Christian church” the RC church can be misleading.

If Protestants assume that the Roman Catholic Church, say the 6th century, was one big denomination among others as it is today, actually the Roman Catholic church was virtually “the” Christian church (and “The” is emphasized) In western Europe for about a 1000 years.” Now listen to this sentence...“because of this early universality both protestants and Catholics be regarded as the embodiment of our Christian heritage for better or for worse.”

What is the embodiment of our Christian heritage?

Rome! Papal Rome!!

And we are to so regard it for better or for worse. And that’s in the publication “God Care’s volume 1” on the book of Daniel.
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Lysimachus wrote:
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But the "great city" is described in Revelation 11:8 as the place "where their Lord was crucified." This this is what has led some readers to assume that it is old literal Jerusalem. But the same place is "allegorically called Sodom and Egypt." Sodom stood for vice and luxury. See Gen 19:4-8 and Ezekiel 16:49,50, 56-58. It fittingly represented the exorbant luxury and vice of European nobility and royalty and the orgy of immorality associated with the French Revolution.(Paris was wide open, and at least one eighth of all marriageable women may be estimated to have practiced prostitution.) The Pharaoh of Egypt in Moses' time enslaved the Israelites and scoffed, "I do not know the Lord, and moreover I will not let Israel go." Exodus 5:2. Egypt symbolized the bold skepticis of the philosphies and the blatant de-Christianization of the Revolution.
Hebrews 6:4, 5 settles the matter! It shows that Jesus has been crucified wherever His people have apostatized seriously from Bible truth.
General,
In the simplicity of His Truth, as opposed to your rambling, Jerusalem that now is, is MYSTERY BTG. She was THE FIRST of many harlots to come who have fallen away from God, WHICH MAKES HER THE MOTHER of harlots. Jerusalem received her judgement, as prophesied by the prophets, for not knowing the day of her visitation. In 70AD. Jerusalem was utterly destroyed. After 1942 years, Jerusalem still is left unto the Jews as DESOLATE.

Type: The Lord came unto His people and they were not ready.
Luke.19[41] And when he was come near, HE BEHELD THE CITY, AND WEPT OVER IT,
[42] Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
[43] For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
[44] And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Antitype: 2 Thes. 1[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Make no mistake, that "great city" Jerusalem is FALLEN and shall remain so.

Will we be ready in the day of our visitation? There are now foolish and wise virgins, the foolish being harlots. 2Tim.3[5] Having A FORM of godliness, but DENYING THE POWER THEREOF: from such turn away.
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Earburner wrote:
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Sorry EC, you have assumed wrong. My understanding of MBTG is scriptural from the KJV. I accept the fact that MBTG is a SEPARATE ENTITY from the 10H beast. It is the 10H beast that "CARRIETH" her. In the Greek, the word "carrieth" means "to support, to carry".
Rev.17[7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
[15] And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Nowhere is it stated or implied that MBTG arises out from the 10H beast. Rev. 18[16] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
[18] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which REIGHNETH over the kings of the earth.
In the Greek, the word "reigneth over" means "a kingdom on/upon, over" the other kingdoms.
In the context of Rev. there is no "great city" other than Jerusalem!! If you remember correctly in Ezk.16:13 God said: "... and thou didst prosper into A KINGDOM."
You need to accept this truth.
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<quoted text> Hey Lysimachus, go back to clubadventist and write your trash there for everyone as they are all lost anyway as they, like you believe EGW was a true prophet. Lay Worker was correct and you are wrong as was my old friend M Maxwell and company.
The 2300 years ended in 1844, but the event was not the IJ or the coming of Christ, it was the start of the NEW Kingdom of Heaven as prophesied about in Dan. 2.
They are all lost??? No way!!!!! But you are saved whewwwwww at least someone is!!!!!!!!

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They are all lost??? No way!!!!! But you are saved whewwwwww at least someone is!!!!!!!!
No Bible as usual - just the usual OSAS from the Pillar of SALT
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Lay Worker wrote:
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France is bandied around as the 'great city' in Rev 11:8 is unconvincing - its old Adventism. Actually the idea of the great city being France was introduced by Protestant commentators of the pre 1844 era -- JB Himes, J Litch and got airplay with Wm Miller and then woven into Adventism by Haskel and Co.
Further, the additional Scriptural references in Revelation to 'the great city' dont cator for France either
Thats exactly right and every detail of the prophecy would have to be fulfilled which includes the earthquake that killed 7,000 and destroyed 1/10 of the city. This is not recorded in the history of France and would have to be a literal event on account of the fact that a literal number is mentioned as well as the matter of a physical event is mentioned in relation to those who died and the context is that the rest of the people who witnessed the event did not repent. Basically speaking it cannot be spiritualized away as some sort of symbolic language depicting some other event.
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John 10[1] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John10[7] Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
[9] I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Earburner

Lowell, MA

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Whether you like it or not, the SDA attemps to enter the sheepfold SOME OTHER WAY, and not by Jesus!

John 3[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water AND OF THE SPIRIT (His Holy Spirit), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

All churches that REFUSE to teach being "born again" of His Holy Spirit are HARLOTS of their MOTHER, Jerusalem.

Luke 11:13 would be the correct start to correct your problem!!! But that you WILL NOT do because you have beentaught to believe that receivng the Holy Spirit by ASKING is EVIL!!!

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