Ellens / SDA Scapegoat Satan is an Abomination

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Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#1 Mar 10, 2011
The Scapegoat can only be Jesus

For Satan to be declared the Scapegoat is an abomination.

John clearly stated: Make way for the Lamb of God who TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD Jn 1:29

The high priest in Lev 16 was to take two kids from the goats OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL(a Holy Nation) Lev 16:5

Not of a pagan nation, not of the pagan world, not of blemish, for God used the Mosaic Law to make Israel a holy nation in the midst of Canaanite immorality, thus preseving the line by which the Savior was to come Ex 19:5-6 Deut 7:7

Jesus was Jewish born of Joesph and Mary of the conregation of Israel( Jesus is of a Holy Nation)

Satan was not. Satan is an angel without flesh and blood.

And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. Lev 16:7

It is an abomination for anyone to present an unblemished animal as a sin offering. Deut 15:21, 17:1
A sin offering is the typology of Christ's Sacrifice. Both goats had to meet this qualifications of atonement(unblemished)

The casting of lots is to make a choice, it is not always a way of determing who is guilty,it was so that the high priest would not take forever to make a choice.

10But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. Lev 16:10 ( to make atonement, the animal must be unblemished)

21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: Lev 16

Jesus went up on the cross alive and God the Father placed all our sins on to Jesus Isa 53:4

23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousnessóby whose stripes you were healed. 1 Pet

21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: Lev 16

This is the typology of our confessing our sins to God the Father through Jesus Christ
We do not confess our sins to Satan

CONFESSED sins are to be cast away as far as the east is to the west and NOT REMEMBERED
Which is representing the Father forgiving our tresspasses and remembering them no more by casting them into the deepest
part of the sea and "For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is His mercy toward those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us." (Psalm 103:11-12)
The Scapegoat is the typology of this casting, as God stated He would remember our sins no more.

UNCONFESSED sins are REMEMBERED and are written in books to be used in the judgement of the lost
Rev 20:12

The declaration of Satan being the scapegoat is an abomination. It is pure Blasphemy
Diane

San Diego, CA

#2 Mar 10, 2011
Shadrach, the S.D.A church has fought the simple gospel of salvation by faith in Christ over a over again. The historic teachings of the scapegoat theology is all based on Ellen White as the source of truth.
Diane

San Diego, CA

#3 Mar 10, 2011
Shadrach, the sda church has fought over and over the simple truth of the gosopel. The historic teachings of the scapegoat theology is based on the writings of Ellen White. It is truly horrible this teaching of Satan being in any part of the sin bearer.
Diane

San Diego, CA

#4 Mar 10, 2011
Shadrach, it is horrible to see how Ellen has made Satan have a part as the final sin bearer of the sins of the righteous.
Lisbeth Foster

Sugarcreek, OH

#5 Mar 10, 2011
Easy now! This is one of the few times SDA is spot on, with nothing to do with goddess EGW.
Think with me: why cast the lot if BOTH goats would represent Jesus? Keep thinking..Two totally different actions of the High Priest, 1. going INTO and 2. coming OUT. Going INTO, he took the blood to offer, coming OUT OF, he brings the paid-for SINS to be finally DESTROYED.
Jesus did not die as punishment because He was the originator of sin. He only paid the PENALTY for YOU AND ME. He did not accept the CAUSATIVE responsibility for sin. THAT is what AZASEL is a type of: SATAN, who will carry the full resposibility for the ORIGIN of ALL sin, and for THAT he will DIE. Keep thinking....now thank the Lord for revealing this TRUTH to you!
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#6 Mar 10, 2011
Lisbeth Foster wrote:
Easy now! This is one of the few times SDA is spot on, with nothing to do with goddess EGW.
Think with me: why cast the lot if BOTH goats would represent Jesus? Keep thinking..Two totally different actions of the High Priest, 1. going INTO and 2. coming OUT. Going INTO, he took the blood to offer, coming OUT OF, he brings the paid-for SINS to be finally DESTROYED.
Jesus did not die as punishment because He was the originator of sin. He only paid the PENALTY for YOU AND ME. He did not accept the CAUSATIVE responsibility for sin. THAT is what AZASEL is a type of: SATAN, who will carry the full resposibility for the ORIGIN of ALL sin, and for THAT he will DIE. Keep thinking....now thank the Lord for revealing this TRUTH to you!
You did not comprehend; the two goats must be unblemished for atonement, Satan can not be either one

It is an abomination to present any unblemished animal for atonement/ sin offering before the Lord

read the scriptures

Both UNBLEMISHED goats must be able to represent Christ

I will not comment on the rest of your theology, yet

First, how are you going to disobey the Lev commandments
by presenting unblemished goats?

Gods commandment is to take the goats from a Holy Nation
Gods commandment is to make atonemnet by flesh and blood
Satan is neither
Diane

Fullerton, CA

#7 Mar 10, 2011
Paul

they know who we are.
Diane

San Diego, CA

#8 Mar 10, 2011
Lizabth Foster, Christ is the only "sin bearer". Nowhere in Scripture is Satan represented as bearing the sins of the righteous.
Diane

San Diego, CA

#10 Mar 10, 2011
Lizabth Foster, nowhere in Scripture is Satan represented as bearing the sins of the righteous.
Diane

San Diego, CA

#11 Mar 10, 2011
I am a moron.

Do not pay any attention to me.

Since: Aug 10

Pacific Northwest USA

#12 Mar 10, 2011
Diane wrote:
I am a moron.
Do not pay any attention to me.
Stop it, Dan - this was obviously posted by you, rather than the REAL Diane. Shame on you! Who's the moron???
Lisbeth Foster

Apple Valley, CA

#13 Mar 10, 2011
You're not a moron...you simply search for truth.

Satan will not BEAR our sins, but he will be PUNISHED FOR our sins and his own.

Be kind to yourself and read www.letthetruthsetusfree.com This will be ONE of the smartest things you ever done. Trust me, I did just that and was de-briefed from 23 years of brainwashing by well-meaning family.
Diane

San Diego, CA

#14 Mar 10, 2011
Grammy Joanne, thank you for your words of kindness. Last time I check, I am still Diane of San Diego, CA.
Diane

San Diego, CA

#15 Mar 10, 2011
Lisbeth Foster, I am so sorry about all the extra postings above. I have a new computer that is not posting correctly. Yes, Satan will be punished for his own sins but in no way will he be punished for our sins. Only Jesus could be punished in His own body the sins of humanity. He did it all. God sent Jesus into the world to take away the sins of the world. Could you show me in the Bible where it states that the devil will share in the blood of Christ our sins ?
birdman

Bettendorf, IA

#16 Mar 10, 2011
deceive=mislead= deceiver

Those Words fit Satan so that makes all those who come on here with differant names are trying to deceive people.

And that makes them part of the family of Satan.

It is a shame, that it is THOSE WHO claim they are followers of Christ.

Now that is the joke of the year.

It seems that when they are proven wrong, they change their name and try to come as someone else.
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#17 Mar 10, 2011
Dianne,I think you misunderstood Liz. Jesus is not the ORIGINATOR of sin. When He died, He did not die because He CAUSED sin, but He paid the PENALTY for US to be saved FROM sin.

That means God must ultimately still DESTROY sin and its instigator, Satan. THAT is what Azasel teaches us. No deception, only good theology! Deb.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#18 Mar 11, 2011
Debbie, the Levitical ceremoinal sacrifices are symbolic of Christ.

Sin offerings are symbolic of Christ dying for the sins of the world
This is why it is a abomination to use a unblemished animal to represent Him Deut 17

Both goats must meet this specification
Both must have the ablility to make the atonement
Both goats must come from the Children of Israel
a Nation of Priests, a Holy Nation

Symbolically Satan can not fill these types.

We have NT scriptures which support the placement
of the sins of the world by the Father onto Christ.
the true type

Where is your scriptual support FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT ?

Moreover, sda theology, is making God a Liar,
in that He at a later date is remembering
CONFESSED SINS by placing them on Satan.

Your need to test and investigate this revelation I have presented here, is my prayer

God Bless
Debbie Reid

Apple Valley, CA

#19 Mar 11, 2011
I am not referring to a sin-bearer in terms of the redemptive requirement, but to the PUNITIVE PART FOR sin. For THAT Jesus is NOT responsible, SATAN IS! Do you agree?
So, why "punish" Jesus twice? First the one goat, that's not enough, also a second goat! No, Azasel stands for S A T A N! Could you think about this prayerfully? Let's allow the SAME Holy Spirit of God to guide us.
What other SYMBOL do you find in the Bible, referring to the PUNITIVE part of sin? Or do you believe Jesus took the CAUSATIVE responsibility on Himself? I believe Liz expressed the concept correctly.
birdman

Bettendorf, IA

#20 Mar 11, 2011
birdman wrote:
deceive=mislead= deceiver
Those Words fit Satan so that makes all those who come on here with differant names are trying to deceive people.
And that makes them part of the family of Satan.
It is a shame, that it is THOSE WHO claim they are followers of Christ.
Now that is the joke of the year.
It seems that when they are proven wrong, they change their name and try to come as someone else.
True again!!!!!
Probation Officer

Wildomar, CA

#21 Mar 11, 2011
Say Bird, is that ALL you can say "True again!!"?

Seems to me you have a problemo wit de Eglis lauage hey?

Do you understand the difference between (post #19) redemptive and Punative dictums ?

Listen again: Jesus did not CAUSE anyone to sin, SATAN did. Is this correct?

Satan himself sinned AND is also responsible for leading Adan and Eve into sinning. Is this also correct?
Do you feel Jesus should pay for what SATAN did, or did he die IN YOUR PLACE to redeem you? He paid a PRICE for your salvation...not for the eventual PUNISHMENT FOR sin.

For what reason will Satan be destroyed at the end of the earthly 1000 years? Or should he? THINK!

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