Overcoming

Just a brief comment:

After watching the disappointment of one of the young ladies in the Olympic ladies gymnastic prelims to not making the USA roster of two who will compete for the All Around Gold Medal, I am reminded that the quality of ones character is not measured by how well we handle our life triumphs, but how well we handle our life tragedies. To continue to fight when you have lost one of your fondest dreams and yet to overcome in spite of it is to set an example to yourself and others that honors God and the highest human spirit. It is doing this that separates the true winners from the losers, because with the act of overcoming comes victory that is not transient or fleeting, but a permanent victory that will last into and through eternity.

In a sermon by a SDA seminary professor, the congregation was taught that living a life without sin was not possible.

Most of the ministerial staff of SDA are agents of SATAN and are dangerous to SDA memebers.

They are headed for the 2nd resurrection

Jesus spent much of his ministry warning about and confronting the clergy

yoyo wrote:

In a sermon by a SDA seminary professor, the congregation was taught that living a life without sin was not possible.
Most of the ministerial staff of SDA are agents of SATAN and are dangerous to SDA memebers.
They are headed for the 2nd resurrection
Jesus spent much of his ministry warning about and confronting the clergy

Well spoken.

There is no question that those who will NOT experience the 2nd death will OVERCOME as Jesus overcame (Rev. 3:21). But why? Why would these people go to all that effort, and make all of the necessary sacrifices to participate in the process of overcoming if there was no value in it other than the accolades given them by their fellow human beings at the time? Why not just give up at the first sign of difficulty or trial and say 'The grace of Christ is sufficient for me therefore overcoming is not necessary to my salvation'?

There is something imbued deep down in the human spirit that makes the ACT of overcoming desirable, and more important than transient comfort or even life itself. Olympic athletes give up most if not all of their social identities and years of their lives in their pursuit of a reward as fleeting as coming in last in an olympic preliminary competition and being eliminated on the 1st go around simply to be able to say for the rest of their lives, "I was an Olympic athlete". Or a soldier risking loss of life or limbs but volunteering to go out on patrol again and again for no other reason than to be with and support his/her fellow soldiers in the field.

Any yet we have been told that OVERCOMING is impossible, and not necessary to salvation. We have been taught by Paul that all we must do to be saved is claim the blood of Jesus for ourselves and NOTHING ELSE is required of us. In fact, we have been told that 'works' actually makes of none-effect the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins.

Actually, the opposite is true. Our OVERCOMING as Jesus overcame CONFIRMS His sacrifice as having worth in our lives.

Resting in the merits of that blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross, merits which the Redeemer pleads before the Father in our behalf, brings grace, the grace of the Holy Spirit to enable us to live a life in harmony with the Bible standard as expressed in the precepts of God's holy law.

That's the standard. There is no other.

Ellen White said it well:

"Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law, but he is incapable of rendering it. The only way he can attain to righteousness is through faith. By faith he can bring to God the merits of Christ." Faith & Works,101.

This statement implies that one who brings to God the merits of Christ believing that they are sufficient to present to God in his/her behalf to receive the infinite blessings of pardon and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit will be made to overcome as Jesus overcame.

sky

sky wrote:

Resting in the merits of that blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross, merits which the Redeemer pleads before the Father in our behalf, brings grace, the grace of the Holy Spirit to enable us to live a life in harmony with the Bible standard as expressed in the precepts of God's holy law.
That's the standard. There is no other.
Ellen White said it well:
"Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law, but he is incapable of rendering it. The only way he can attain to righteousness is through faith. By faith he can bring to God the merits of Christ." Faith & Works,101.
This statement implies that one who brings to God the merits of Christ believing that they are sufficient to present to God in his/her behalf to receive the infinite blessings of pardon and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit will be made to overcome as Jesus overcame.
sky

Try proving it from the words of Jesus--you can't!

yoyo wrote:

In a sermon by a SDA seminary professor, the congregation was taught that living a life without sin was not possible.
Most of the ministerial staff of SDA are agents of SATAN and are dangerous to SDA memebers.
They are headed for the 2nd resurrection
Jesus spent much of his ministry warning about and confronting the clergy

This I know to be true on a personal basis. I was once a paid minister in the church. I have robbed shoulders with pastors and I to know by experience that this is what they teach, the overwhelming majority of them. Right now I cannot even name one who does believe and teach that it is possible to live without sinning.

If it were not possible Jesus would not have relinquished His divine form forever to take the form of a servant and then to humble himself as a man to the death on the cross.

He did not sacrifice His divine form for ever and lived a sinless life in sinful flesh so that we could obtain forgiveness without being made "more than conquerors." Rom.8:37.

sky

sky wrote:

Resting in the merits of that blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross, merits which the Redeemer pleads before the Father in our behalf, brings grace, the grace of the Holy Spirit to enable us to live a life in harmony with the Bible standard as expressed in the precepts of God's holy law.
That's the standard. There is no other.
Ellen White said it well:
"Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law, but he is incapable of rendering it. The only way he can attain to righteousness is through faith. By faith he can bring to God the merits of Christ." Faith & Works,101.
This statement implies that one who brings to God the merits of Christ believing that they are sufficient to present to God in his/her behalf to receive the infinite blessings of pardon and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit will be made to overcome as Jesus overcame.
sky

Sky.

Do you ACCEPT or REJECT ROM 2: 13 & ROM 7: 12 & 1st John 2: 7 & Heb 10: 26

Can you also tell the readers what COVENANT the above are UNDER? NEW or OLD Covenant or dont know?
Failure to answer/testify will also be held against you. Matt 10: 32-33

Being a Christian is SERRIOUS STUFF!! I hope U know that?

Dan

sky wrote:

Resting in the merits of that blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross, merits which the Redeemer pleads before the Father in our behalf, brings grace, the grace of the Holy Spirit to enable us to live a life in harmony with the Bible standard as expressed in the precepts of God's holy law.
That's the standard. There is no other.
Ellen White said it well:
"Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law, but he is incapable of rendering it. The only way he can attain to righteousness is through faith. By faith he can bring to God the merits of Christ." Faith & Works,101.
This statement implies that one who brings to God the merits of Christ believing that they are sufficient to present to God in his/her behalf to receive the infinite blessings of pardon and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit will be made to overcome as Jesus overcame.
sky

Sky.

Have you ever spoken against the LAW of GOD [including the holy 4th] on this forum like some do on here?

Dan

It IS possible to live without sin... for about 5 minutes, and then an unkind or unclean thought pops up or something unloving blurts from our self-absorbed, sin-bent mouths! Thank you, Jesus, for coming to rescue me from this body that would otherwise carry me to death. Praise, glory and honor be to your holy Name!

sky wrote:

Resting in the merits of that blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross, merits which the Redeemer pleads before the Father in our behalf, brings grace, the grace of the Holy Spirit to enable us to live a life in harmony with the Bible standard as expressed in the precepts of God's holy law.
That's the standard. There is no other.
Ellen White said it well:
"Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law, but he is incapable of rendering it. The only way he can attain to righteousness is through faith. By faith he can bring to God the merits of Christ." Faith & Works,101.
This statement implies that one who brings to God the merits of Christ believing that they are sufficient to present to God in his/her behalf to receive the infinite blessings of pardon and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit will be made to overcome as Jesus overcame.
sky

Ellen taught you twisted distorted truths.......

We prefer what God states here; A righteousness apart from the Law Keeping........

One must be saved first, by faith, established as His, to receive His gift the Holy Spirit, who will never leave you nor forsake you,
who will teach you His ways to walk, His commandments, His truth

for without Him in you , you can do nothing, you can not even understand the scriptures

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

God’s Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom 3

GrammyJoanne wrote:

It IS possible to live without sin... for about 5 minutes, and then an unkind or unclean thought pops up or something unloving blurts from our self-absorbed, sin-bent mouths! Thank you, Jesus, for coming to rescue me from this body that would otherwise carry me to death. Praise, glory and honor be to your holy Name!

Thanks Grammy for speaking for yourself so now we know where you stand as we also know where Paul stood because He too said that NOTHING good is in him.

Shadrach wrote:

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Ellen taught you twisted distorted truths.......
We prefer what God states here; A righteousness apart from the Law Keeping........
One must be saved first, by faith, established as His, to receive His gift the Holy Spirit, who will never leave you nor forsake you,
who will teach you His ways to walk, His commandments, His truth
for without Him in you , you can do nothing, you can not even understand the scriptures
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
God’s Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom 3

Look folks, calling Paul and EGW God is blaspheming God and have gods other than the Creator God. If you don't understand this, then you are among the wicked and will never see it.

Rockroller wrote:

<quoted text> Thanks Grammy for speaking for yourself so now we know where you stand as we also know where Paul stood because He too said that NOTHING good is in him.

I speak for you, too. You just can't realize it as truth regarding your hopelessness (without Jesus) as a lost sinner!

GrammyJoanne wrote:

It IS possible to live without sin... for about 5 minutes, and then an unkind or unclean thought pops up or something unloving blurts from our self-absorbed, sin-bent mouths! Thank you, Jesus, for coming to rescue me from this body that would otherwise carry me to death. Praise, glory and honor be to your holy Name!

The 'Christian' life described above is only an example that sin is more powerful than the power given to those who believe and live the truth. Rather than proving that God can save to the uttermost and deliver from sin, the life mentioned does nothing but spit upon Jesus and His sacrifice by vividly displaying that regardless of what Jesus may have done, we are forever slaves to sin.

What an abomination.

A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:

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The 'Christian' life described above is only an example that sin is more powerful than the power given to those who believe and live the truth. Rather than proving that God can save to the uttermost and deliver from sin, the life mentioned does nothing but spit upon Jesus and His sacrifice by vividly displaying that regardless of what Jesus may have done, we are forever slaves to sin.
What an abomination.

thanks voice. Let's hear it for overcoming sin!

Rockroller wrote:

<quoted text> thanks voice. Let's hear it for overcoming sin!

Let's hear it for spinning your wheels and the discouragement/despair of trying (and failing) to be perfect and sinless. Now that I am in truly in love with Jesus, my efforts (though still not perfectly effective) are out of love, not obligation to achieve perfection. Gotta put the horse first, folks!

A Voice In The Wilderness wrote:

<quoted text>
The 'Christian' life described above is only an example that sin is more powerful than the power given to those who believe and live the truth. Rather than proving that God can save to the uttermost and deliver from sin, the life mentioned does nothing but spit upon Jesus and His sacrifice by vividly displaying that regardless of what Jesus may have done, we are forever slaves to sin.
What an abomination.

Who is this ignorant one that slams the God given truth of Grammy.

All of us are sinners, non are righteous, all of us are corruptible
1 Cor 15:53 Rom 3:10

Who is this that negates the God given scriptures I just listed, that Grammy teaches........

Who could negate Gods Word and spit on His scriptures...not Grammy

Please, people, don't confuse the act of sinning with temptation. Was Jesus TEMPTED like as are we? Certainly. Did He even once give into temptation? No!

Is having an evil thought sinning? Not unless you put that evil thought into practice.

“You have heard that it was said,‘You shall not commit adultery.’ (28) But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."  Matt.5:27-28.

The operative phrase here is LUSTFUL INTENT. That means planning to carry out the action that the lust defines. Just looking at a beautiful woman or handsome man with appreciation for their physical beauty IS NOT SIN, because there is no INTENT involved.

The one thing Satan needs more than anything from the Kingdom of Heaven on earth today is INACTION based on the misconception that DOING SOMETHING for righteousness sake is evil. This he has accomplished through Paul's gospel. This is not what Jesus taught:

And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. (20) For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been carried out in God.” John 3:19-21.

Overcoming sin is an action that is precipitated by thoughts generated from abiding in the words and teachings of Jesus Christ. This accounts for the 'well spring of living water' that Jesus wants for all of us to have to prove that it is His Spirit and not the counterfeit that is leading us to truth (John 7:37-38).

Dennis wrote:

Please, people, don't confuse the act of sinning with temptation. Was Jesus TEMPTED like as are we? Certainly. Did He even once give into temptation? No!
Is having an evil thought sinning? Not unless you put that evil thought into practice.
“You have heard that it was said,‘You shall not commit adultery.’ (28) But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart."  Matt.5:27-28.
The operative phrase here is LUSTFUL INTENT. That means planning to carry out the action that the lust defines. Just looking at a beautiful woman or handsome man with appreciation for their physical beauty IS NOT SIN, because there is no INTENT involved.
The one thing Satan needs more than anything from the Kingdom of Heaven on earth today is INACTION based on the misconception that DOING SOMETHING for righteousness sake is evil. This he has accomplished through Paul's gospel. This is not what Jesus taught:
And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. (20) For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his deeds have been carried out in God.” John 3:19-21.
Overcoming sin is an action that is precipitated by thoughts generated from abiding in the words and teachings of Jesus Christ. This accounts for the 'well spring of living water' that Jesus wants for all of us to have to prove that it is His Spirit and not the counterfeit that is leading us to truth (John 7:37-38).

This is deceptive teaching........No man can tame the tongue

NO MAN James 3:8

Why?

Because we are all sinful, we inherted a sinful nature, Jer 17:9

23 O Lord [pleads Jeremiah in the name of the people], I know that [the determination of] the way of a man is not in himself; it is not in man [even in a strong man or in a man at his best] to direct his [own] steps. Jer 10

Stop the lies Dennis........please, you are presenting piles of garbage

Now read Ps 5:9

Dennis, I DO indeed know the difference between temptation and sin - we all succumb to both occasionally. All of us, even you and RockRoller (and Danno, for certain). If we claim we have no sin, we are liars and the truth is not in us. Friend, THAT is why Jesus came and died. He did for us what we are incapable of doing for ourselves (which is the reason He did it). I know you are as honest and sincere as the day is long (I definitely would not classify you as a liar!)- your spirit is one of humility and meekness, but you are being misled into believing that which is untrue, or a complete twisting of the truth, at best.