Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#81 Aug 17, 2012
Earburner wrote:
Shad, You should know that God does not think or speak as we do. He lives in eternity and as a result He speaks in the past, present and future ALL AT THE SAME TIME. So, when we are reading prophetic words from Him, we are not to read them in any chronological order.
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That is correct, but God did judge Jerusalem and as a result IT WAS DESTROYED in 70AD.
"Jerusalem, which now is", is still under His judgement and is ABHORED by Him.
Luke 21[20] And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
[21] Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
[22] For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
[23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
[24] And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The above IS now mostly ALL HISTORY!!
<quoted text> God is NOT DEFENDING Jerusalem, which now is!!! He has REJECTED IT. However, He is and SHALL DEFEND Heavenly Jerusalem. Unfortunately, of that Jerusalem which is ABOVE, you do not know WHO that Heavenly Jerusalem is.
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That is correct, but Jesus did give a foretaste of such an action when He removed demons from people upon His first appearance.
The elimination of unclean spirits shall be totally fulfilled here: Rev.[23] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
[24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
[25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
[26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
The nations of them which are saved are those individuals who HAVE BEEN saved out of every generation from all the nations of all time.
These are they who are of the 1st resurrection, which shall take place BEFORE the 1000 years.
THEY ARE Heavenly Jerusalem!!!
Stop, you have rejected Zech 12:,8,9,10 by declaring it happened in 70 AD as you do not realize the number and types of questions that were answered by Jesus Luke 21

but besides that you need to answer here,

I am going to ASK YOU AGAIN........PROVE YOUR DECEPTIONS at least...

When did God destroy all the nations in 70AD.

Don't come back with anything else , till you either prove me wrong, by provided clear evidence of NATIONS BEING DESTROYED IN 70 AD,or you have humbled yourself and repented
Earburner

Lowell, MA

#82 Aug 18, 2012
It is apparent that God did not judge/destroy all nations in 70AD. But He did judge/destroy Jerusalem.

There is nothing to prove about Jeruselem in 70 AD. The history of the Romans destroying the Temple and Jerusalem is 100% fact. It was prophesied by Daniel and Jesus, and was fulfilled by Titus the Roman Commander. Flavius Josephus wrote of that destruction being an eyewitness.

The SUDDEN destruction of all nations takes place upon Jesus' physical and SUDDEN return for His church.
2 Thes. 1[6] Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; [7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,[8] In flaming fire TAKING VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall BE PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

1 Thes. 5[1] But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2Pet. 3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, THE EARTH also and the works that are therein SHALLBE BURNED UP.
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Upon the day when the Lord shall return for His church, the earth and all the unsaved nations remaining shall be BURNED UP!!!
Earburner

Lowell, MA

#83 Aug 19, 2012
Ref. post #3 by Shadrach:
"Is your organization teaching, man can die, be resurrected, live and fight, die again, get resurrected again, fight and die again with Satan in the final revolt, and die, then another resurrection to be judged, to be found guilty and die again?"

The SDAs and many non SDAs believe the biblical reality in the following:

All men die their natural death and are grouped into two classes.
1. The Saved: die their natural death and are resurrected upon Jesus' physical return, the beginning of the 1000 years.
2. The Unsaved: die their natural death and remain dead and condemned. After the 1000 years they are resurrected and all (symbolized as Gog and Magog) storm the New Jerusalem where they are all totally eliminated forever by God.

Not too hard to understand, and not anything like you have arranged it!!
Gerhard Ebersoehn

Johannesburg, South Africa

#84 Aug 20, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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1. Correct. And that is why I call the first resurrection a two step process. As Paul said: "We have this treasure in earthen vessels".
2. No, mortal flesh, that shall be alive on the day of His return "in flaming fire", cannot endure the Glory of His physical presence. They shall die!
But we, who have this treasure in earthen vessels, His Holy Spirit, and all those who have died in faith, shall be physically changed/resurrected into His likeness.
The rest of the dead (wicked dead) lived not again until the 1000 years were finished. Those 1000 years are still future and begin on Jesus' return in all His Glory.
All the righteous dead are resurrected before the 1000 years begin.
GE:

Yes; everything you say is so ... EXCEPT ...
"The rest of the dead (wicked dead) lived not again until the 1000 years were finished. Those 1000 years are still future and begin on Jesus' return in all His Glory.
All the righteous dead are resurrected before the 1000 years begin."

One. You contradict yourself. Yes, in fact. Read yourself over again. You’ll see for yourself.

Two. The question simply is about three things,
A. Is the phrase “the thousand years” literal or figurative?
B. When does it start?
C. Where does it start and play off?

C. Does “The First Resurrection THIS The Thousand Years”
start and play off in the individual hearts of men?
You claimed so … correctly! Read what you wrote yourself!

So it cannot begin outside men’s hearts as a universal earthly apocalyptic event.

And that answers both A. and B.

A. The phrase “the thousand years” is figurative! It is “THIS The First Resurrection”!
B. It started When Christ was seated on God’s Throne and in Him, all “the saints with Him on thrones to rule with Him” WHICH WAS WHEN He and AS He, and BECAUSE He RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD.

“The rest of the dead (wicked dead) lived not … until the 1000 years were finished.”
“Again” does not exist and does not belong. The wicked “dead lived not until the 1000 years were finished”… THEN they were or will be raised and “live” again the first time to receive reward of death penalty.
When the Thousand Years will be finished, the wicked dead together with all saints in the grave at Christ’s Coming on Judgment Day shall rise from the dead.

These 1000 years are CURRENT and began on Jesus' RESURRECTION:“in all His Glory” because “God raised Christ BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER” and “declared his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, The Son of God WITH POWER.”“That ye may know WHAT is the EXCEEDING GREATNESS of God’s POWER ACCORDING TO THE AVAILING OF HIS ALMIGHTY POWER WHICH GOD WROUGHT / PERFECTED IN CHRIST WHEN HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.”

Jesus’ Second Coming derives its glory from Christ’s RESURRECTION-GLORY. Christ’s Resurrection-Glory is Christ “in all His Glory”! In fact, Christ’s Resurrection-Glory is Christ in all the Glory of “God” the Father and of “the Son of God”,“according to The Spirit of Holiness”— Christ’s Resurrection-Glory is Christ “in all His Glory”; is Christ in ‘The Glory’ of His DIVINITY – The Divinity of and in and through ‘the FULL FELLOWSHIP OF THE TRINITY’.(Klaas Schilder)

All the righteous “dead in Christ” shall by THIS Resurrection-Glory of “His”– Christ’s –, in the last day BE raised from the dead, IN THE END of “The First Resurrection THIS The Thousand Years.”

Wonderful to contemplate; saving to believe; glorious to hope!
Gerhard Ebersoehn

Johannesburg, South Africa

#85 Aug 20, 2012
The real ‘Seventh Day Adventist’ is he who believes Christ’s Advent because He “from the dead”,“came in the flesh”,“in the Sabbath Day’s fullness”.
“For God … when He bringeth in The Firstbegotten into the world”– by having RAISED Him from the dead –, said … Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee …”
“We see Jesus … that He by the grace of God should taste death … made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death.”
“We see Jesus … made perfect … being by the Right Hand of God Exalted.”
“We see Jesus … who through death destroy(ed) him that had the power of death … CROWNED WITH GLORY AND HONOUR.”
“We see”…“also Christ glorified not Himself … but He, God, that”…“when He raised Him from the dead”…“said unto Him, Thou art My Son; today have I begotten Thee.”
Earburner

Haverhill, MA

#86 Aug 20, 2012
Gerhard Ebersoehn wrote:
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GE:
Yes; everything you say is so ... EXCEPT ...
"The rest of the dead (wicked dead) lived not again until the 1000 years were finished. Those 1000 years are still future and begin on Jesus' return in all His Glory.
All the righteous dead are resurrected before the 1000 years begin."
One. You contradict yourself. Yes, in fact. Read yourself over again. You’ll see for yourself.
Two. The question simply is about three things,
A. Is the phrase “the thousand years” literal or figurative?
B. When does it start?
C. Where does it start and play off?
C. Does “The First Resurrection THIS The Thousand Years”
start and play off in the individual hearts of men?
You claimed so … correctly! Read what you wrote yourself!
So it cannot begin outside men’s hearts as a universal earthly apocalyptic event.
And that answers both A. and B.
A. The phrase “the thousand years” is figurative! It is “THIS The First Resurrection”!
B. It started When Christ was seated on God’s Throne and in Him, all “the saints with Him on thrones to rule with Him” WHICH WAS WHEN He and AS He, and BECAUSE He RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD.
“The rest of the dead (wicked dead) lived not … until the 1000 years were finished.”
“Again” does not exist and does not belong. The wicked “dead lived not until the 1000 years were finished”… THEN they were or will be raised and “live” again the first time to receive reward of death penalty.
When the Thousand Years will be finished, the wicked dead together with all saints in the grave at Christ’s Coming on Judgment Day shall rise from the dead.
These 1000 years are CURRENT and began on Jesus' RESURRECTION:“in all His Glory” because “God raised Christ BY THE GLORY OF THE FATHER” and “declared his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, The Son of God WITH POWER.”“That ye may know WHAT is the EXCEEDING GREATNESS of God’s POWER ACCORDING TO THE AVAILING OF HIS ALMIGHTY POWER WHICH GOD WROUGHT / PERFECTED IN CHRIST WHEN HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.”
Jesus’ Second Coming derives its glory from Christ’s RESURRECTION-GLORY. Christ’s Resurrection-Glory is Christ “in all His Glory”! In fact, Christ’s Resurrection-Glory is Christ in all the Glory of “God” the Father and of “the Son of God”,“according to The Spirit of Holiness”— Christ’s Resurrection-Glory is Christ “in all His Glory”; is Christ in ‘The Glory’ of His DIVINITY – The Divinity of and in and through ‘the FULL FELLOWSHIP OF THE TRINITY’.(Klaas Schilder)
All the righteous “dead in Christ” shall by THIS Resurrection-Glory of “His”– Christ’s –, in the last day BE raised from the dead, IN THE END of “The First Resurrection THIS The Thousand Years.”
Wonderful to contemplate; saving to believe; glorious to hope!
Here is my argument:
When a person ASKS for and RECEIVES the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13) then and ONLY THEN are they converted, born again!!! In essence, they truly are participants of the FIRST resurrection.

Now, if such a person, in the year of 1410, did so as the above, and died in faith believing, THEY ARE DEAD, ASLEEP IN JESUS and INCOMPLETE of the FIRST resurrection. The FULNESS or COMPLETENESS of their resurrection does not come to pass UNTIL Jesus returns in all His glory. Until He does, all who have died IN JESUS are asleep and shall remain so, even if Jesus doesn't come for 10,000 more years.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#87 Aug 21, 2012
Earburner wrote:
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Here is my argument:
When a person ASKS for and RECEIVES the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13) then and ONLY THEN are they converted, born again!!! In essence, they truly are participants of the FIRST resurrection.
Now, if such a person, in the year of 1410, did so as the above, and died in faith believing, THEY ARE DEAD, ASLEEP IN JESUS and INCOMPLETE of the FIRST resurrection. The FULNESS or COMPLETENESS of their resurrection does not come to pass UNTIL Jesus returns in all His glory. Until He does, all who have died IN JESUS are asleep and shall remain so, even if Jesus doesn't come for 10,000 more years.
GE:

Ah, EAR! Amen and Amen!!

Ah, Ear! NOW you spoke truth; even God's TRUTH! Praise and thank the Lord!

Ah, EAR! THAT, will I say, is just what I believe.

As god live are their two people upon this earth who in fact in one respect one with the other perfectly?!!

It nearly seems so with this you wrote.

Very nearly.

Because I want to make one little BIG adjustment, and add - not contradict; and improve - not shoot down, and it is this — it is not about Christ’, Return from heaven — it is about our return from death!---

When through the Holy Spirit and by His WORKING AND REGENERATION A NEW MAN AND GIVES in a man and that person ASKS to RECEIVE such a reborn immortal spirit (Luke 11:13) then and ONLY THEN are they converted after and in essence – in their heart and whole being truly BECOME participants of – and in –“The FIRST Resurrection”.

Because it is _all_ of and by the WILL AND GRACE OF GOD, that if such a person — ever so passive OR resisting, unconscious or conscious, NEVER of himself willing or by nature co-operating —, in the year of 1410, was “MADE ALIVE” the Holy Spirit having baptised him with power, and died in faith believing, he is DEAD, ASLEEP IN JESUS and INCOMPLETE of The First Resurrection. The FULNESS or COMPLETENESS of _his_ like all other “dead-in-Christ’s” resurrection, does not come to pass UNTIL Jesus returns in all His glory. Until He does, all who have died IN JESUS are asleep and shall remain so, even if Jesus doesn't come for 10,000 more years.

Therefore, Amen and Amen!
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#88 Aug 21, 2012
Correction:

"... As God live, are there two ..."
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#89 Aug 21, 2012
... one with other perfectly agree ...
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#90 Aug 22, 2012
Too many mistakes in post 87 ... please replace with,
Earburner wrote:
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Here is my argument:
When a person ASKS for and RECEIVES the Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13) then and ONLY THEN are they converted, born again!!! In essence, they truly are participants of the FIRST resurrection.
Now, if such a person, in the year of 1410, did so as the above, and died in faith believing, THEY ARE DEAD, ASLEEP IN JESUS and INCOMPLETE of the FIRST resurrection. The FULNESS or COMPLETENESS of their resurrection does not come to pass UNTIL Jesus returns in all His glory. Until He does, all who have died IN JESUS are asleep and shall remain so, even if Jesus doesn't come for 10,000 more years.
GE:

Ah, EAR! Amen and Amen!!

Ah, Ear! NOW you spoke truth; even God's TRUTH! Praise and thank the Lord!

Ah, EAR! THAT, will I say, is just what I believe.

As God live are there two people upon this earth who in fact in one respect one with the other perfectly agree?!!

It nearly seems with this you wrote …

… very nearly.

Because I want to make one little BIG adjustment, and add - not contradict; and improve - not shoot down, and it is this — it is not about Christ’s, Return from heaven — it is about our return from death!---

When God through the Holy Spirit and by His WORKING AND REGENERATING CREATES A NEW MAN AND GIVES in that person’s heart a reborn immortal spirit (Luke 11:13) then and ONLY THEN shall that man be “born again” and shall he after and in life BE converted, and in his heart and whole being truly BECOME participant of – and in –“The FIRST Resurrection”.

Because it is _all_ of and by the WILL AND GRACE OF GOD, that if such a person — ever so passive OR resisting, unconscious or conscious, NEVER of himself willing or by nature co-operating —, in the year of 1410, was “MADE ALIVE” the Holy Spirit having baptised him with power, and died in faith believing, he is DEAD, ASLEEP IN JESUS and INCOMPLETE of The First Resurrection. The FULLNESS or COMPLETENESS of his --- like of all other “dead-in-Christ’s” First Resurrection --- does not come to pass UNTIL Jesus shall return in all His glory. Until He does, all who have died IN JESUS are asleep and shall remain so, even if He doesn't come for 10,000 more years.

“THIS The First Resurrection” is the person’s resurrection from DEATH in spirit and life; “in the resurrection of the dead” when Christ Comes Again this person’s resurrection shall be from the “GRAVE” in BODY.

Therefore, Amen and Amen!

Earburner

Haverhill, MA

#91 Aug 25, 2012
EG wrote:
“THIS The First Resurrection” is the person’s resurrection from DEATH in spirit and life; “in the resurrection of the dead” when Christ Comes Again this person’s resurrection shall be from the “GRAVE” in BODY.

EB's reply:
Yes, all who have received His Holy Spirit are indeed passed from death unto life, yet not so in glory, for Jesus has not returned. However, the same, who have died in faith their natural first death, are asleep in Jesus, and therefore the second death unto damnation shall have no power over them.

As for the unsaved dead, they NEVER RECEIVED His Holy Spirit in their lifetime and therefore are UNABLE to resurrect unto the glory of eternal life. Because they were never "born again" of His Spirit, they REMAIN DEAD in their graves, "ALREADY CONDEMNED".

When the Lord shall return in all His glory for His saints, those who are the wicked dead, "the rest of the dead, shall not live again until the 1000 years are finished".

Remember, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ,...HE IS NONE OF HIS"!!!
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#92 Aug 26, 2012
EB's reply:
Yes, all who have received His Holy Spirit are indeed passed from death unto life, yet not so in glory, for Jesus has not returned. However, the same, who have died in faith their natural first death, are asleep in Jesus, and therefore the second death unto damnation shall have no power over them.

Shad says, wrong
Those Christian who have died are with the Lord
Phil 1:23

EB says;

As for the unsaved dead, they NEVER RECEIVED His Holy Spirit in their lifetime and therefore are UNABLE to resurrect unto the glory of eternal life. Because they were never "born again" of His Spirit, they REMAIN DEAD in their graves, "ALREADY CONDEMNED".

When the Lord shall return in all His glory for His saints, those who are the wicked dead, "the rest of the dead, shall not live again until the 1000 years are finished".

Remember, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ,...HE IS NONE OF HIS"!!!

Shad says; Wrong

The Lord shall return in All His glory
WITH HIS SAINTS Jude 14 Zech 14:5

EB, you reek of adventism, let go of egw

she is still in you
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#93 Aug 28, 2012
Earburner wrote:
EG wrote:
“THIS The First Resurrection” is the person’s resurrection from DEATH in spirit and life; “in the resurrection of the dead” when Christ Comes Again this person’s resurrection shall be from the “GRAVE” in BODY.
EB's reply:
Yes, all who have received His Holy Spirit are indeed passed from death unto life, yet not so in glory, for Jesus has not returned. However, the same, who have died in faith their natural first death, are asleep in Jesus, and therefore the second death unto damnation shall have no power over them.
As for the unsaved dead, they NEVER RECEIVED His Holy Spirit in their lifetime and therefore are UNABLE to resurrect unto the glory of eternal life. Because they were never "born again" of His Spirit, they REMAIN DEAD in their graves, "ALREADY CONDEMNED".
When the Lord shall return in all His glory for His saints, those who are the wicked dead, "the rest of the dead, shall not live again until the 1000 years are finished".
Remember, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ,...HE IS NONE OF HIS"!!!
GE:

Earb, I say Amen, up to before “…they REMAIN DEAD in their graves, "ALREADY CONDEMNED". For I believe – as I believe is according to the Scriptures many times referred to, John 5 et al –“until the 1000 years are finished” is until Christ shall return.“THIS The First Resurrection The Thousand Years”— and “_ALL_ the dead” and “_ALL_ those in their graves” shall be raised— those who had part in the First (spiritual) Resurrection and “co-ruled with Christ on his (spiritual) throne the Thousand Years” unto “the resurrection of LIFE” Eternal: Those who “had no part in the First Resurrection”, unto the resurrection of eternal damnation immediately after God’s judgments are executed upon them and they, the wicked and the devil together, are thrown with the burning fires of the burning and melted “elements” shall be thrown into the pit and all evil and evil men and evil things shall be annihilated --- THEN --- as Christ shall come again and “ALL the dead shall be raised”.

As for the unsaved dead, they NEVER RECEIVED His Holy Spirit in their lifetime and therefore are UNABLE to resurrect unto the glory of eternal life, but “in the resurrection” are resurrected and receive just recompense for their wickedness … because they were never "born again" of God’s Spirit. The unsaved dead who NOW "already are condemned”, after “the resurrection” of “ALL”– at Christ’s return –, will receive everlasting punishment – which is DEATH – for their sins. Christ’ sin-atoning death and reconciling Resurrection availed, and will avail them, nothing … nothing but God’s wrath. They will from the inferno of the Great Day of Judgment become as the dust of the earth under the feet of the saved indwellers of the New Earth.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#94 Aug 28, 2012
It is only on the nature and the extent of the Thousand Years you and I have not found agreement on yet.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#95 Aug 28, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
EB's reply:
Yes, all who have received His Holy Spirit are indeed passed from death unto life, yet not so in glory, for Jesus has not returned. However, the same, who have died in faith their natural first death, are asleep in Jesus, and therefore the second death unto damnation shall have no power over them.
Shad says, wrong
Those Christian who have died are with the Lord
Phil 1:23
EB says;
As for the unsaved dead, they NEVER RECEIVED His Holy Spirit in their lifetime and therefore are UNABLE to resurrect unto the glory of eternal life. Because they were never "born again" of His Spirit, they REMAIN DEAD in their graves, "ALREADY CONDEMNED".
When the Lord shall return in all His glory for His saints, those who are the wicked dead, "the rest of the dead, shall not live again until the 1000 years are finished".
Remember, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ,...HE IS NONE OF HIS"!!!
Shad says; Wrong
The Lord shall return in All His glory
WITH HIS SAINTS Jude 14 Zech 14:5
EB, you reek of adventism, let go of egw
she is still in you
GE:

Go to hell where you belong, satan! Every word protruding from the split tongue of the snake shall have him burn more intensly forever and ever.
Shadrach

Santa Clara, CA

#96 Aug 28, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
EB's reply:
Yes, all who have received His Holy Spirit are indeed passed from death unto life, yet not so in glory, for Jesus has not returned. However, the same, who have died in faith their natural first death, are asleep in Jesus, and therefore the second death unto damnation shall have no power over them.

Shad says, wrong
Those Christian who have died are with the Lord
Phil 1:23

EB says;
As for the unsaved dead, they NEVER RECEIVED His Holy Spirit in their lifetime and therefore are UNABLE to resurrect unto the glory of eternal life. Because they were never "born again" of His Spirit, they REMAIN DEAD in their graves, "ALREADY CONDEMNED".
When the Lord shall return in all His glory for His saints, those who are the wicked dead, "the rest of the dead, shall not live again until the 1000 years are finished".
Remember, "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ,...HE IS NONE OF HIS"!!!

Shad says; Wrong
The Lord shall return in All His glory
WITH HIS SAINTS Jude 14 Zech 14:5
EB, you reek of adventism, let go of egw
she is still in you
Shad' additional biblical support for EB

The thief's spirit that was on the cross,upon his death was in Paradise that very day and never died Jn 5:24, as his body rested in the grave

so as;

Assurance of the Resurrection

5 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.

7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.

8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. 2 Cor 5
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#97 Aug 28, 2012
Shadrach wrote:
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There are none more in peril then those who deliberately change the Word of God Rev 22:18,19
The things I have listed DID NOT OCCUR IN 70 AD
and I have MANY MORE.......
but I do not enjoy cutting people to bits with His Word
The more you people resist what is written the more we will cut you.
You reap what you sow.
How dare anyone, declare what is written, as though it does not mean what it says....
When Moses went up to recieve what is written, His people, waited
till he came back down, and believed what came down,not like those who crossed the line, against what was written and took His Word to be of no value.
They all perished.......so shall it be with those, who state,
His scripture does not mean what it says.
GE:

It applies to everybody except the usurper of godly names, satan Shadrach.
Gerhard Ebersoehn

South Africa

#98 Aug 28, 2012
Earburner wrote:
It is apparent that God did not judge/destroy all nations in 70AD. But He did judge/destroy Jerusalem.
There is nothing to prove about Jeruselem in 70 AD. The history of the Romans destroying the Temple and Jerusalem is 100% fact. It was prophesied by Daniel and Jesus, and was fulfilled by Titus the Roman Commander. Flavius Josephus wrote of that destruction being an eyewitness.
The SUDDEN destruction of all nations takes place upon Jesus' physical and SUDDEN return for His church.
2 Thes. 1[6] Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; [7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,[8] In flaming fire TAKING VENGEANCE on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall BE PUNISHED with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
1 Thes. 5[1] But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
2Pet. 3[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, THE EARTH also and the works that are therein SHALLBE BURNED UP.
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Upon the day when the Lord shall return for His church, the earth and all the unsaved nations remaining shall be BURNED UP!!!
GE:

To every word, I say, Amen!

What is there that cannot be understood, easily?!
nina

New Castle, IN

#99 May 3, 2014
Diane wrote:
Shadrach, there are two resurections taught in the Bible. One for the rightneouss and one for the un rightneouss. All Christians believe this around the world except the cults. They use their prophets words instead of the scriptures. They even have Satan roaming on the earth during the 1,000 years. The Bible says he is under the earth chained for a thousand years. She lied with this and she lied giving many resurrections for her flock to believe in. Sda cannot give scripture for many resurrections. They are only two.
Diane read Revelation chapter 20:1-3 and the word says that satan will be bound and thrown into the bottomless pit for 1000 yrs.
nina

New Castle, IN

#100 May 3, 2014
Revelation 20: 1-3 says that satan will be bound and thrown into the bottomless pit for 1000 yrs. Then released for a short while. So I agree with Shadrack

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