Christ ended the Law Rom 10;4

djconklin wrote:

<quoted text>You've got him! Now let's watch him squirm.

the roller needed help and I suppose you do to Conk, lets try again,
and if you need some help, just raise your hand...

Rockroller wrote:

<quoted text> So Shadrack, isn't that teaching lawlessness? If there is now no law, I suppose it would be ok for me to come over to your house and sleep with your wife tonight--right?
LOL--You got lots of explaining to do.

Shads reply:
What did I state here, did you graduate from high school?
Seriously, did you?
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Lets see if you can read and understand what I said here;
Because now those in CHRIST are presented HIS NEW GOSPEL a BETTER Covenant,
a BETTER LAW Heb 7:22 Heb 8:9, 13
With the New High Priest Jesus Christ, there is a change of Law Heb 7:12
For there to be a New Law, God has to END the OLD law
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Now Conk, what is it that you are having a hard time comprehending?

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:

If the law is perfect how can it be improved upon?

Since the perfect law has ended has it been replaced with something imperfect?

Since the law converted the soul is there now no conversion?

Perfection can not be ended.

Perfection can not be replaced.

If perfection can be ended or replaced it was never perfect to begen with.

Doug SDA wrote:

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
If the law is perfect how can it be improved upon?
Since the perfect law has ended has it been replaced with something imperfect?
Since the law converted the soul is there now no conversion?
Perfection can not be ended.
Perfection can not be replaced.
If perfection can be ended or replaced it was never perfect to begen with.

Is your post to Shadpoc?

dan

Psalms 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.

Psalms 111:7 All his commandments are sure.

Psalms 111:8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.

Psalms 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.

Isaiah 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Doug Sda, why did Jesus die on the cross ? Wasn't the law perfected enough to save man ? There must be a reason that Jesus had to fulfill the law ?

Diane wrote:

Doug Sda, why did Jesus die on the cross ? Wasn't the law perfected enough to save man ? There must be a reason that Jesus had to fulfill the law ?

Why are you so confused about the law?

Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

No adventist teach that you are saved by any other then the cross of Christ.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Dough SDA, you asked a question on how can the perfect law be improved upon. I am saying if the law as you said, was perfect, then why wasn't the law perfect enough to save man ? If the law was perfect then why did Jesus die on the cross to fulfill it ? Why didn' the law save man if it was perfect ?

rey33 wrote:

hey shadrach,
It is the end attaining righteous by the law, not the ending of the law itself. List the whole verse not just half of it. Christ ended righteousness by works of law and became the righteousness already contain in the law. For what the law could not do in that it was weak in the flesh, Christ came in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin; condemnede sinin the flesh; that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
The law was weak in the flesh? why? Because the flesh cannot fulfill its precepts.
Also you already believe that nine of the ten commandments of the old law is still in effect for the new covenant christian.
why not just cut to the chase already and state that Christ took away only the Sabbath and is now our Sabbath?
Your fight is against the Sabbath alone. Not the other nine.
How come?

Somehow Seventh-day Adventists wrongly conclude that ALL the directives in the Decalogue are moral in nature. The weekly Jewish Sabbath, with its extra sacrificing and showbread requirements, is clearly ceremonial or ritual in nature. After all, the Ten Commandments are a basic summary of the 613 laws of the Torah--most of which were NOT moral declaratives but rather civil, judicial, health, and ritual laws. However, Romans 10:4 should NOT be interpreted as being the termination of God's moral commands (God's righteous standards), but rather (as the second half of the verse shows, Paul means that belief in Christ as Lord and Savior ends the sinner's futile quest for righteousness through his imperfect attempts to save himself by efforts to obey the law perfectly. In short, the Apostle Paul is saying that Christ is the end focus or ultimate purpose of the Law.

Dennis Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com

Diane wrote:

Dough SDA, you asked a question on how can the perfect law be improved upon. I am saying if the law as you said, was perfect, then why wasn't the law perfect enough to save man ? If the law was perfect then why did Jesus die on the cross to fulfill it ? Why didn' the law save man if it was perfect ?

You need to aske yourself why does God say His law is perfect.

Dennis Fischer wrote:

<quoted text> Somehow Seventh-day Adventists wrongly conclude that ALL the directives in the Decalogue are moral in nature. The weekly Jewish Sabbath, with its extra sacrificing and showbread requirements, is clearly ceremonial or ritual in nature. After all, the Ten Commandments are a basic summary of the 613 laws of the Torah--most of which were NOT moral declaratives but rather civil, judicial, health, and ritual laws. However, Romans 10:4 should NOT be interpreted as being the termination of God's moral commands (God's righteous standards), but rather (as the second half of the verse shows, Paul means that belief in Christ as Lord and Savior ends the sinner's futile quest for righteousness through his imperfect attempts to save himself by efforts to obey the law perfectly. In short, the Apostle Paul is saying that Christ is the end focus or ultimate purpose of the Law.
Dennis Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com

Your conclusion regarding Romans 10:4 is correct.

How ever your conclusion reguarding the Sabbath is incorrect.

The Sabbath preexisted sin or the ceremonial law.

Doug SDA wrote:

<quoted text>
Your conclusion regarding Romans 10:4 is correct.
How ever your conclusion reguarding the Sabbath is incorrect.
The Sabbath preexisted sin or the ceremonial law.

No it did not. In Genesis is only spoke of rest, not a sabbath.

Doug SDA, you need to ask yourself why can't the law save you ?

Doug SDA wrote:

Psalms 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law.
Psalms 111:7 All his commandments are sure.
Psalms 111:8 They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psalms 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
Isaiah 24:5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

ALSO:> Psalms 119: verses> 142 & 151 & 160

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

Psalm 119:142
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,

And Your law is truth.
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Psalm 119:151
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

151 You are near, O Lord,

And all Your commandments are truth.
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Psalm 119:160
New American Standard Bible (NASB)

160 The sum of Your word is truth,

And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting.

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1st John 3: 4 & Matt 7: 21-23

1 John 3:4
New International Version (NIV)

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

Matthew 7:21-23
King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Diane wrote:

Doug Sda, why did Jesus die on the cross ? Wasn't the law perfected enough to save man ? There must be a reason that Jesus had to fulfill the law ?

The wages of breaking the LAW is your DEATH!! Jesus paid you death penalty and DID NOT REMOVE the LAW!! Satan is telling you JESUS did away with the LAW!! The HOLY Spirit is telling you what some of us are also telling you about his HOLY LAW!! ROM 7: 12

God's LAW is GOOD & PERFECT & HOLY and EVERLASTING!! If the LAW did NOT exist then Jesus would NOT have needed to die in your place!! Go back to Genesis and read the Bible all over again until you come to REV 14: 12 & Rev 12: 17

Oh, by the way what is your definition of SIN?

Dan

Diane wrote:

Doug SDA, you need to ask yourself why can't the law save you ?

If you die as a LAW REJECTOR then GOD will spit you out and your worship & Prayers were never heard by him!
Infact you current WORSHIP & Prayers are an ABOMINATION to GOD & to the HOLY Spirit! Prov 28: 9
Proverbs 28:9
King James Version (KJV)

9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

God does not LIE!

Dan

Diane wrote:

Doug SDA, you need to ask yourself why can't the law save you ?

Who told you that the LAW in itself can save us??

Why do you NOT comit adultary and steal from the supermarket? Can you tell us why you dont commit crimes? Do you obey the DRIVING LAWS and the one-way roads? Do you drive when drunk? do you drive over 30-60mph in the cities with 30mph limits? why not?

Dan

Diane.

Does the following texts apply to you yes or no?

Rom 7: 12 & Heb 8: 10 & Rev 14: 12 & 1st John 3: 4 or has JESUS done away with them all?

Dan

Dennis Fischer wrote:

<quoted text> Somehow Seventh-day Adventists wrongly conclude that ALL the directives in the Decalogue are moral in nature. The weekly Jewish Sabbath, with its extra sacrificing and showbread requirements, is clearly ceremonial or ritual in nature. After all, the Ten Commandments are a basic summary of the 613 laws of the Torah--most of which were NOT moral declaratives but rather civil, judicial, health, and ritual laws. However, Romans 10:4 should NOT be interpreted as being the termination of God's moral commands (God's righteous standards), but rather (as the second half of the verse shows, Paul means that belief in Christ as Lord and Savior ends the sinner's futile quest for righteousness through his imperfect attempts to save himself by efforts to obey the law perfectly. In short, the Apostle Paul is saying that Christ is the end focus or ultimate purpose of the Law.
Dennis Fischer
Blog: http://notesfromdennisfischer.blogspot.com

This is good, but not quite there yet.

The Law was a Covenant, as contract Ex 24 between two specific parties Deut 4:8 Ps 147:19,20

When God declares this Covenant has ended for those in Christ

it means EXACTLY what it says....ENDED

All the Moral laws with condemnation, the law of commandments in the ordinances Ex 21;1, the sac laws, the feast laws, the purity laws, ALL ENDED with Christ fulfilling the law which pointed to Him
luke 24;44-46

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Now, what happens to the Christian, is he without governace, is he free to sin, since I stated the moral laws of condemnation ended with Christ.........NO, NO and NO

the Christian is in contract with Christ under His New Covenant
Jn 3:16

well, what is in the New Covenant contract?........we must read our contract our covenant with Christ, it is extremely simple.

There we do find moral laws, but without condemnation, we find all kinds of God given commandments 1 Cor 14;37 1Thess 4;2 1Tim 6;12

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Conclusion;

Lets start thinking of contracts, covenants,

our Covenant between us and Christ

you got it......

Christ is the end of the Law for those in Christ

Christ is the end of the Old Covenant for those in the New Covenant of Christ

2nd Conclusion; YOU ARE ALL GONNA BE JUDGED BY THE NEW COVENANT
Rom 2:16

that is your contract

>I suppose you do to Conk, lets try again,

That should be "too" puke.

and added to this if I may; read down at the bottom;

The Law was a Covenant, as contract Ex 24 between two specific parties Deut 4:8 Ps 147:19,20

When God declares this Covenant has ended for those in Christ

it means EXACTLY what it says....ENDED

All the Moral laws with condemnation, the law of commandments in the ordinances Ex 21;1, the sac laws, the feast laws, the purity laws, ALL ENDED with Christ fulfilling the law which pointed to Him
luke 24;44-46

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Now, what happens to the Christian, is he without governace, is he free to sin, since I stated the moral laws of condemnation ended with Christ.........NO, NO and NO

the Christian is in contract with Christ under His New Covenant
Jn 3:16

well, what is in the New Covenant contract?........we must read our contract our covenant with Christ, it is extremely simple.

There we do find moral laws, but without condemnation, we find all kinds of God given commandments 1 Cor 14;37 1Thess 4;2 1Tim 6;12

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Conclusion;

Lets start thinking of contracts, covenants,

our Covenant between us and Christ

you got it......

Christ is the end of the Law for those in Christ

Christ is the end of the Old Covenant for those in the New Covenant of Christ

2nd Conclusion; YOU ARE ALL GONNA BE JUDGED BY THE NEW COVENANT
Rom 2:16

that is your contract
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But if you are like the ignorant or flat out defiant of Gods Word, and choose to go under the Old Law, as the Israeli, then you will be judged by that Law per the gospel judgement......

Rom 2:12

Don't be a fool