Church of Scientology wants Gizmo building

Well, you see, for the CoS, "business as usual" means sucking the last bit of money from the last few members. There are no new members, and the existing members are rapidly becoming tapped out, deeply in debt, totally screwed.

So, you see, business as usual, for the CoS, is continuing down the road to financial ruin of all their members, and ... well ... running out of people to pry money out of.

It just doesn't seem that the Cos "business as usual" is the same as "doing well", if you get the picture. There just aren't that many Scientologists with any money left.

Headache, gee wow you got me on that.
I guess now you've just gone and completely discredited everything I have to say on the subject of $cientology. You're stats must be soaring! Congrats.
Now, I admit it is terribly silly of me to lump all pre-eduction history "the dark ages." I sometimes even have the audacity to throw the stone age in there too! But, really, does insulting my intelligence make YOUR argument about $cientology any more or less valid or does it just make you feel better about yourself to point out others' inaccuracies?

The point you missed was that I can excuse society coming up with ridiculous beliefs due to an absence of education. I can understand people sticking with it as part of their culture and tradition. I just can't go along with defending this cult's ridiculous beliefs just because the
others are ridiculous too.
I do not in any way excuse the abuses and manipulations of ANY religion. But their guilt in no way justifies the guilt of the cult of $cientology.

You wanna go after the Catholic church or the other evils of the world, go ahead, I won't stand in your way. It's a shame you won't show the same consideration.

Splittin Headache wrote:

I don't see headlines screaming about how CoS members are pedophiles and sodomize children the way priests in the Catholic Church have been doing for 2,000 years.
I don't see the CoS having to sell their properties to come up with the cash to pay off pedophilia victims to silence their charges.
Interesting how citizens of NM have OK'ed being the dumping grounds for Pedophile Priests but CoS is out of bounds.
Tell me: based on what you now know about the Catholic Church are you really OK with sending your kids to places where Priests are with them?
What does that little voice inside your gut tell you, Sucka!

Then you obviously aren't paying enough attention:

http://www.scientology-lies.com/press/ny-post...

http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwa...

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/washi...

www.taxexemptchildabuse.net

These are just a few examples. If you want to know more about the REAL scientology, people who've died, been abused by them there's always these sites:

www.whyaretheydead.net
www.exscientlogykids.com
www.lermanet.com

And of course the general database of all things scientology:
www.xenu.net

Good examples of their mafia like behavior can be seen with their propaganda websites, but don't take my word for it, have a look and evaluate their "evidence" for the dreadful things they say about their ex-members and critics:

www.religiousfreedomwatch.org

If you think they're not dangerous, just look at the words they use to describe peaceful protesters, the families of people the cult has killed;

"anti-religious extremists"
"terrorists"
"hate-groups"

The CoS is not a friendly organisation, they're more mafia like than you realise.

Splittin Headache wrote:

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...sounds like you learned History in Albuquerque schools.
The brand of Catholicism that's smoked in these parts has close to 2,000 years of cross-controlled political/religious conspiracy behind it. The kind of stuff that runs entire nations, not playing Monopoly in places like Clearwater and Q Town.
This is all about men with funny hats, munitions, armies and gold.
The CoS isn't a pimple on the Church's butt.
If you are looking for a Real Threat the address is:
St. Peter's Basilica
666 Pope Blvd.
Rome, IT
One more thing, speaking of 'hitman'. What religion does the Cosa Nostra practice? you know the Italian-Sicilian Mafia. And what Church do the Mexican drug cartels faithfully attend?

Every religion has their bad points. If you don't like New Mexico then leave.

i dont like scientology but i think it is good to cheat stupid people out of their money

Splittin Headache wrote:

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por favor. The only other religion that has the propensity to create Hell On Earth is Islam.
Actually Islam makes the Catholic Church seems benign by comparison. Those are some really crazy folks. Even the craziest Catholics I know don't strap bombs around themselves.
But do Muslim Imam's bugger little kids the way Catholic Priests do?

Oh come on... You can't be that ignorant. Wait do you support the Las Cruces logo change?

Wow, amazing how some people get off on their own little, weird tangents. They seem rather proud of the fact that they haven't a clue as to the subject of the thread: Scientology in Albuquerque. Is it that they can't keep track of the subject? Is it that they desperately want to sidetrack the discussion? Is it that their mind just wanders around like that naturally? Who knows? Quite amusing.

Ah, then, just a boring run-of-the-troll, not actually anyone saying anything.

No kidding, it seems that the headache wants to try and change the subject into something he thinks he knows something about because (s)he obviously doesn't have a clue about the subject of $cientology but wants to "win" an argument anyway.

Again, headache, if you wanna take those other religions on, you'll be fighting thousands of years of tradition and culture. Good luck with that.
We cannot very well hop into a time machine to go back and "nip those in the bud."
But right now something CAN be done to nip THIS cult in the bud before the problem gets any worse.

Just understand that this cult isn't anywhere near as benign as it tries to play itself off as.
Google "project normandy" to see how they went about their takeover of the city of Clearwater. Learn from that, and do not allow it to happen to your own city.

Do some fact-checking on google before you joust with people who actually know the subject matter.

Splittin Headache wrote:

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por favor. The only other religion that has the propensity to create Hell On Earth is Islam.
Actually Islam makes the Catholic Church seems benign by comparison. Those are some really crazy folks. Even the craziest Catholics I know don't strap bombs around themselves.
But do Muslim Imam's bugger little kids the way Catholic Priests do?

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Probably. Isn't it the Afhan warlords who are such good muslims that they dress young boys up as women and keep them for concubines?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/08...

One wonders about the early relationship between Lron and Davy. Hmmm...

Sorry, "Afghan".

Has anyone got a link to the BBC Panorama programme, any doubters on this page can see for themselves the true, nasty side of Scientology (and Fair Game).

supersonic boom wrote:

Has anyone got a link to the BBC Panorama programme, any doubters on this page can see for themselves the true, nasty side of Scientology (and Fair Game).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediasele ctor/check/player/nol/newsid_6 650000/newsid_6658000?redirect =6658089.stm&news=1&nb ram=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1 &bbwm=1

Thanks Red,

Splittin Headache check out Red Pills link above then come back to us on the benign nature of Scientology.

SSB

Yes, Absolutely, Find out what they are producing. What are they trying to contribute to the area if it is good then let them, don't go by what other people say find out for yourself and ask Questions, will it help the progress of the community and how? will it help bring down crime How? Will it help to Educate our people and how? Will it help under community crises how? Do they have proof of what good can happen if they get the Gizmo building? will they bring economic growth for the near by venders? what have they done in the past that is proven good will efforts for the benefit of the community and it's prosperity?

Dino

Dino Armendariz wrote:

Yes, Absolutely, Find out what they are producing. What are they trying to contribute to the area if it is good then let them, don't go by what other people say find out for yourself and ask Questions, will it help the progress of the community and how? will it help bring down crime How? Will it help to Educate our people and how? Will it help under community crises how? Do they have proof of what good can happen if they get the Gizmo building? will they bring economic growth for the near by venders? what have they done in the past that is proven good will efforts for the benefit of the community and it's prosperity?
Dino

What a strange list of criteria for deciding a zoning variance. Do you think this is normal? The building isn't zoned for a church. The area isn't zoned for churches. Churches don't fit in there. It's zoned for business. Why on earth would a church want to force itself into a business area? That just doesn't make any sense -- unless it was really a business, CLOAKING itself as a church for legal and tax purposes. Hmmm?

Trust me, the "church" of Scientology sets up shop there, it WON'T be good for other businesses in the area. Ask the non-Scientology businesses in downtown Clearwater Florida ALL about it. Not good.

From what I have seen, whenever this church moves into a busy area, the crime rate actually goes DOWN in that area.

And the people I have come across are very friendly to talk to. Just normal folks.

Give them a break. Check out their website at www.scientology.org to find out what they are really about.

Alex

Alex wrote:

From what I have seen, whenever this church moves into a busy area, the crime rate actually goes DOWN in that area.
And the people I have come across are very friendly to talk to. Just normal folks.
Give them a break. Check out their website at www.scientology.org to find out what they are really about.
Alex

Hi Alex, how's the auditing going? Are you Sea Org, or public? Have you star-rated the OSA hat pack yet? Have you bought your "Basics" yet?

Check out the website at www.xenu.net to find out what the Church of Scientology is REALLY about.

Alex wrote:

From what I have seen, whenever this church moves into a busy area, the crime rate actually goes DOWN in that area.
And the people I have come across are very friendly to talk to. Just normal folks.
Give them a break. Check out their website at www.scientology.org to find out what they are really about.
Alex

When will you clams learn that we'll point out your transparent propaganda each and every time?

Red Pill wrote:

<quoted text>When will you clams learn that we'll point out your transparent propaganda each and every time?

They won't, they'll only learn something if the "GREAT LEADER" demand that they do so.