Specialist Training in How to lie as a scientologist

Scientologists have a specific PRO TR for training Stdudents to effectively lie and be 100% believable, the Process is called TR-L.

INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE - TR L

Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To
train the student to outflow false data effectively.

Position: Same as TR-1.

Commands: Part 1 "Tell me a lie". Command given by coach. Part 2 interview
type 2 WC by coach.

Training Stress: In Part 1 coach gives command, student originates a
falsehood. Coach flunks for out TR 1 or TR 0. In Part 2 coach asks
questions of the student on his background or a subject. Student gives
untrue data of a plausible sort that the student backs up with further
explanatory data upon the coach asking further questions. The coach flunks
for out TR 0 and TR 1, and for student fumbling on question answers. The
student should be coached on a gradient until he/she can lie facilely.

Short example:

Coach: Where do you come from?

Student: I come from the Housewives Committee on Drug Abuse.

Coach: But you said earlier that you were single.

Student: Well, actually I was married but am divorced. I have 2 kids in the
suburbs where I am a housewife, in fact I'm a member of the P.T.A.

Coach: What town is it that you live in?

Student: West Brighton.

Coach: But there is no public school in West Brighton.

Student: I know, I send my children to school in Brighton, and that's where
I'm a P.T.A. member.

Coach: Oh, and who is the Chairman there?..."

Not imteresting enough? Having a specific process that trains one to lie should be something that ouysiders should be asking:

Why would there be a routine to lie and be totally believable?

"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."

L. Ron Hubbard

this came up in another thread (off topic off course - so good luck finding it) I think it was pointed out that TR-L is only for certain staff positions, perhaps involving PR. No justification why lying is OK for PR purposes except perhaps the goverment does it so it must be OK.

PS google will - eventually - index topix discussions. you can append "site:topix.net" after your search words in google. for instance try this in the google search box:

TR-L lying PR site:topix.net

I'll leave that exercise to other readers but I can say I've used it before for other things than TR-L and that is how I know it takes a long time for google to catch up their index.

Yogi Bear wrote:

this came up in another thread (off topic off course - so good luck finding it) I think it was pointed out that TR-L is only for certain staff positions, perhaps involving PR. No justification why lying is OK for PR purposes except perhaps the goverment does it so it must be OK.
PS google will - eventually - index topix discussions. you can append "site:topix.net" after your search words in google. for instance try this in the google search box:
TR-L lying PR site:topix.net
I'll leave that exercise to other readers but I can say I've used it before for other things than TR-L and that is how I know it takes a long time for google to catch up their index.

Youre right Yogi, its not just for run of the mill scientologists.Its for those in a position where if they are confronted with having to lie, they are believable. It's used by scientologists who have to appear in the media, Courts of Law, OSA operatives etc etc

Polly wrote:

<quoted text>Youre right Yogi, its not just for run of the mill scientologists.Its for those in a position where if they are confronted with having to lie, they are believable. It's used by scientologists who have to appear in the media, Courts of Law, OSA operatives etc etc

Dear Polly,
Yet another lie!! I have been in many legal situations and I can state that Polly is lying through her arse!!!
These are for acceptable truths, not for lying. Lying is for people who can't tell the truth or can't see it even if it came up behind them and raped them. I know afew people like that.
Dermot

Dermot wrote:

<quoted text>
Dear Polly,
Yet another lie!![/QUOTE} I know, Ive read what you say in the below Im about to comment on.

[QUOTE who="Dermot"]These are for acceptable truths, not for lying.

An acceptable truth something told to be accepted AS truth,not THE truth

Dermot wrote:

Lying is for people who can't tell the truth

Hence TR-L for PRO's who have to tell lies on behalf of scientology. Its training you know?

Dermot wrote:

even if it came up behind them and raped them.

WOW! This is a little disturbing on your part Dermot. Id be interested in what Freud's opinion on you giving such an example to try articulate your point.

Dermot wrote:

I know afew people like that.

You know rapists who sneak up behind people? Are they scientologists? I'll be sure to carry a 2nd can of mace in my handbag when Im in Irishland. ;)

Polly wrote:

<quoted text> An acceptable truth something told to be accepted AS truth,not THE truth <quoted text>
Hence TR-L for PRO's who have to tell lies on behalf of scientology. Its training you know?
<quoted text>WOW! This is a little disturbing on your part Dermot. Id be interested in what Freud's opinion on you giving such an example to try articulate your point.
<quoted text> You know rapists who sneak up behind people? Are they scientologists? I'll be sure to carry a 2nd can of mace in my handbag when Im in Irishland. ;)

Dear Polly,

trust someone on your Tone Level to focus on this.!!!

why am I not overly surprised. You do seem to focus on this Dynamic actually. It makes interesting reading when one reads what the Chart of human Evaluation says regarding Tone scale and behaviour at 1.1

People should look up the Chart of Human Evaluation. you can get it anywhere on the net. have a look at the 1.1's behaviour particularly regarding dealings with others.. It may explain many things about people at that level.

Dermot

Dermot wrote:

<quoted text>
Dear Polly,
trust someone on your Tone Level to focus on this.!!!
why am I not overly surprised. You do seem to focus on this Dynamic actually. It makes interesting reading when one reads what the Chart of human Evaluation says regarding Tone scale and behaviour at 1.1
People should look up the Chart of Human Evaluation. you can get it anywhere on the net. have a look at the 1.1's behaviour particularly regarding dealings with others.. It may explain many things about people at that level.
Dermot

Yey, again, you avoid the topic of this thread TR=LIE. You immediately try shift focus away fron the fact that scientology teaches a specific routine to train parishoners to lie. So, dermot, what do you have to say about TR-L?

Why dont you wish to discuss this scientology training routine that teaches a scientologist to lie to people under oath in a court of law?

I read somewhere the idea of the E-Meter, which is in effect a lie detector machine, was to train Scientologists how to pass a real lie detector under real interrogation circumstances.

Polly wrote:

<quoted text> An acceptable truth something told to be accepted AS truth,not THE truth <quoted text>
Hence TR-L for PRO's who have to tell lies on behalf of scientology. Its training you know?
<quoted text>WOW! This is a little disturbing on your part Dermot. Id be interested in what Freud's opinion on you giving such an example to try articulate your point.
<quoted text> You know rapists who sneak up behind people? Are they scientologists? I'll be sure to carry a 2nd can of mace in my handbag when Im in Irishland. ;)

Evaluating Dermot's language here, all I can say is that he's exasperated and can't answer these questions at all. I doubt he knows people who rape, but I can gather that he's fed up with the forum now - hence juvinile analogy. I think you're arguments are too strong for him to defend and wouldn't be surprised if he left the discussion altogether soon.

Dermot wrote:

<quoted text>
Dear Polly,
Yet another lie!! I have been in many legal situations and I can state that Polly is lying through her arse!!!
These are for acceptable truths, not for lying. Lying is for people who can't tell the truth or can't see it even if it came up behind them and raped them. I know afew people like that.
Dermot

The ONLY acceptable truth is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

TIC wrote:

<quoted text>The ONLY acceptable truth is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them. When you find an individual is lying to you, you know that the individual is trying to control you. One way or another this individual is trying to control you. That is the mechanism of control. This individual is lying to you because he is trying to control you - because if they give you enough misinformation they will pull you down the tone scale so that they can control you. Conversely, if you see an impulse on the part of a human being to control you, you know very well that that human being is lying to you. Not "is going to", but "is" lying to you.

Check these facts, you will find they are always true. That person who is trying to control you is lying to you. He's got to tell you lies in order to continue control, because the second you start telling anybody close to the truth, you start releasing him and he gets tougher and tougher to control. So, you cant control somebody without telling them a bunch of lies. You will find that very often Command has this as its greatest weakness. It will try to control instead of leading. The next thing you know, it is lying to the [illegible]. Lie, lie, lie, and it gets worse and worse, and all of a sudden the thing blows up. Well, religion has done this.[Following sentence is underlined] Organised religion tries to control, so therefore must be lying.[end underline] After a while it figures out (even itself) that it is lying, and then it starts down tone scale further and further, and all of a sudden people get down along this spring-like bottom (heresy) and say, "Are we going into apathy and die, or are we going to revolt?" and they revolt, because you can only lie to people so long. Unfortunately there is always a new cycle of lying.

L. Ron Hubbard
Technique 88

Gee, only one scientologist commented in this thread about how scientologists who will be put in a position to have to lie are trained to do so.

Polly wrote:

Gee, only one scientologist commented in this thread about how scientologists who will be put in a position to have to lie are trained to do so.

Dear Polly,

Trying to get Scientologists to respond to your negativity utterly defeats the entire process of mankind.

Why would anyone respond to the bolix you print. Yet you try to convince people that it is the truth. I only deeal with your bolix and then correcting the your lying and vicious nature.

However, This thread is equally bolix!!!

Maybe enough times said it to you, you might cognite. I doubt it though as guys like you don't reform. Which is why you can so expertly try to shove the spotlight away from you.

But the spotlight will always shine back on you and the truth about you will come out.....soon!!!

Hee!!!!

Dermot

Dermot wrote:

<quoted text>
Dear Polly,
Trying to get Scientologists to respond to your negativity utterly defeats the entire process of mankind.
Why would anyone respond to the bolix you print.

Trying? I got you to post here dermot, no 'trying' at all.

Dermot wrote:

Yet you try to convince people that it is the truth.

people can read the training routine for themselves and decide on how and why scientology would have such a TR to begin with. Care to respond to L_R_H?

Dermot wrote:

I only deeal with your bolix and then correcting the your lying and vicious nature.[/QUOTE\] Yet, you dont deny that scientology has TR-L, do you.
[QUOTE who="Dermot"]However , This thread is equally bolix!!!
Maybe enough times said it to you, you might cognite. I doubt it though as guys like you don't reform. Which is why you can so expertly try to shove the spotlight away from you.

The spotlight is shining oh so brightly on the cult of scientology and its doctrines and policy dermot, you included.

Dermot wrote:

But the spotlight will always shine back on you and the truth about you will come out.....soon!!!
Hee!!!!
Dermot

The truth is all in the facxt that scientology have a specific training routine to train scientologists to lie.

Polly wrote:

<quoted text> Trying? I got you to post here dermot, no 'trying' at all. <quoted text> people can read the training routine for themselves and decide on how and why scientology would have such a TR to begin with. Care to respond to L_R_H?<quoted text> The spotlight is shining oh so brightly on the cult of scientology and its doctrines and policy dermot, you included.
<quoted text>The truth is all in the facxt that scientology have a specific training routine to train scientologists to lie.

Dear Polly,

You got me to respond indeed!!!

The rest of your thread is just hyperbole!!!!

You would also know a lot about lying as its your stock-in-trade.

Dermot

Dermot,
Do you tell lies, or acceptable truths?

Can you honestly tell us you have never lied since joining the CoS?

Supersonic Boom wrote:

Dermot,
Do you tell lies, or acceptable truths?
Can you honestly tell us you have never lied since joining the CoS?

Dear Super, I was a born liar. Which is why I can write. Every writer has to invent realities. That is what writing is. An invention of realities.

I have lied many times before during and after my involvement with Scientology. But on the purpose and Goals of Scientology and what I have seen for myself....NO!

A valid question though!!!

Dermot

scientologist's are freaks who wer messed up in childhood