Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

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hahahahaha
This is Tertullian on Tradition. He is saying that your Bible only people must show a connection back to the Apostles TRADITION
He is saying if you dont have the Tradition you are in jeopardy of Heresy.
HE IS TALKING ABOUT YOU!!!! AGAIN!!!! LOL
But if there be any (heresies) which are bold enough to plant themselves in the midst of the apostolic age, that they may thereby seem to have been handed down by the apostles, because they existed in the time of the apostles, we can say: Let them produce the original records of their churches; let them unfold the roll of their bishops, running down in due succession from the beginning in such a manner that [that first bishop of theirs] bishop shall be able to show for his ordainer and predecessor some one of the apostles or of apostolic men,—a man, moreover, who continued stedfast with the apostles. For this is the manner in which the apostolic churches transmit their registers: as the church of Smyrna, which records that Polycarp was placed therein by John; as also the church of Rome, which makes Clement to have been ordained in like manner by Peter. In exactly the same way the other churches likewise exhibit (their several worthies), whom, as having been appointed to their episcopal places by apostles, they regard as transmitters of the apostolic seed.

Osas7 wrote:

<quoted text>What a copout. Now words don't mean what they mean, but changed over time?
How about going to the original language of their thought, and show how it changed from one language to another. But what you cited above, makes no sense.

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Osas7 wrote:

Orthodox scholar:
The identification of the gates of hell with the great heresies of the second, third, and fourth centuries was generally accepted. Against these gates of hell not only the apostle Peter, but all the apostles, especiallyJohn, had successfully contended with the authority of the word of God. Indeed, the power of the keys conferred upon Peter by Christ in Matthew 16:19 was not restrictedeither to him or to his successorson the throne of Old Rome; all the faithful bishops of the church were imitators and successorsof Peter. They had this status as orthodox adherents of the confessionof Peter in Matthew 16:16:‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ By attaching the promise in the following verses to that confessionit was possible to admonish orthodox believers to ‘run to the faith...ofthis immovable rock...andlet us believe that Christ is both God and man.’ The unshakablefoundationof the church was the rock that was Christ, but at the same time Peter could be called ‘the foundationand support of our faith.’ He was this, however, principally because of his confession, which was repeated by all true believers.It was a polemical extension of this general Greek tendency when a later treatise, falsely ascribed to Photius, stated flatly that the rock in Christ’s promise was the confessionof Peter rather than his person.
Thus Peter was the foundationof the church, so that whoever believed as he believed would not go astray. But for most Greek theologians Peter was above all ‘the chief of the theologians’ because of his confession. All the titles of primacy, such as foundationand basis and ‘presidentof the disciples,’ pertained to him as trinitarian theologian. The church was to be built on the rock, on Christ the cornerstone, on which Peter, as coryphaeusof the disciples of the Logos, had also been built—‘built that is by the Holy and divine dogmas.’ Primacy belonged to Peter on account of his confession, and those who confessed Christ to be the Son of the living God, as he had, were the beneficiaries of the promise that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church built on the rock
(Jaroslav Pelikan, The Christian Tradition:A History of the Development of Doctrine (Chicago: Universityof Chicago, 1974), Volume Two, pp. 160-161).
***Do you agree with this Anthony?

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Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>OSAS The Catholics have the Pope.We dont.Its ok with me. We differ on very few doctrines.
I respect the Pope.

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Anthony MN wrote:

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Not entirely. You reject both the Catholic AND Orthodox view so what does it matter to you?

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ReginaM wrote:

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This is also part of his old game. He didn't get away with it before, and he won't this time...but he'll try like heck!
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Oxbow wrote:

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However in the NABRE....in 1Cor 1:2, the word "saints" is not used!!!!
Look: to the church of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be holy, with all those everywhere who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.

Catholics are not "saints"....rather, they have "Saints"...why??...b ecause they make them!!!

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Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

Catholics confess in a booth. Orthodox dont. catholics do their cross once. Orthodox do it three times.I am trying to think of others.
Catholics Baptize infants and do confirmation separate. Orthodox baptize and Confirm (Chrismate) infants at the same time.

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Osas7 wrote:

<quoted text>I know you don't agree with them....on tradition. Thanks for responding.

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Osas7 wrote:

<quoted text>Lol....what a joke. You folks make laugh with your smokescreens!

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Anthony MN wrote:

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You're not any brighter than the last time you were here. I'd have thought you'd come back with a new song and dance or maybe even having taken a history lesson or two, but nope, it's the same ol' schtick.
What non-denominational protestant ecclesial community are you a member of now?

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Anthony MN wrote:

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You don't know what tradition or Tradition is.

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7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

<quoted text>There were no Jew when God estabilished teh Sabbath at creation. You are wrong.

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ReginaM wrote:

Early Christians weren't doing a public version of what we now call "confession," i.e. they weren't lining up every Saturday or Sunday to tell the whole congregation how they got mad at their kids, lusted after their slave, and neglected their prayer rule.
Rather, it was understood that committing certain sins totally disqualified you as a Christian -- specifically apostasy, murder, or adultery (all three of which are condemned by St. Paul as sins that bar one from the Kingdom). If you committed one of these, you were cast out of the Kingdom, having made a mockery of your Baptism. Thus, you had to re-enter the Church as a penitent. And that was a very public thing. You would have to spend X amount of years standing outside of the church doors, confessing your sin, asking for forgiveness from the true faithful who were entering for the divine services, etc. There was a whole process for this type of public confession and penance.
http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/ind...
This is no longer a practice of the Latin or Eastern rites. We both confess one on one with a priest.

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JIL wrote:

RCC Catechism V Bible
Jesus is not enough to purify sins
"All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven." (Pg. 291,#1030)
BIBLE
Jesus purifies from ALL sin
Jesus is Enough and His one-time sacrifice alone saves us to an eternity with God. Jesus nailed our sins to the cross. He took care of business and left none of it undone.
...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.-1 John 1:7
[Jesus] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.-Colossians 2:14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.- Hebrews 10:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.- Colossians 1:14
Jesus said that His crucifixion completes the payment for sin. He hung suspended between the earth and heaven for six hours taking the brutal payment for your wickedness and mine. After He had taken on the sins of this whole wicked world, He said these words just before He died,
"It is finished."
John 19:30
Everytime a person says, "I gotta go to purgatory to pay for the rest," he calls Jesus a liar. Out of a love that cannot be comprehended, Jesus died for every sin, past, present and future. All we have to do is believe on Him. He said,
This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.-John 6:29
You cannot pay for your crimes (sins) against God for they are eternal in nature. THAT is why Jesus came. The Everlasting God shed His blood which eternally blots out your transgressions if you'll believe on Jesus Christ. If you think you have anything to offer God outside of believing on Jesus, read on about yourself:
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.- Isaiah 64:6
To say, "We must purify ourselves" negates the work that Jesus did and puts our salvation in your own hands. You'll NEVER make it in on your own. Turn while there is time. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.