Why is it that Mormans don't believe that Jesus Christ is the savior?

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fedupwiththemess wrote:

They follow the teachings of John Smith and have a bunch of man made up rules.

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Pahoran wrote:

"Why is it that Mormans don't believe that Jesus Christ is the savior?"
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They follow the teachings of John Smith? Those dumb Mormans!
I'm glad nobody has confused them with the MormOns, who DO believe that Jesus Christ is the Saviour, even though their Church, the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, was founded by JOSEPH Smith.
I guess the similarities in the names could be confusing. ;)
Regards,
Pahoran

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Dagobert II wrote:

Actually, Mormons DO believe in a 'savior' known as 'Jesus' that provides a 'salvation' that is as good as it goes for as far as it goes.
According to their prophet, seer and revelator, Brigham Young, that salvation does not cover all sins that are possible. For those sins, one must submit to blood atonement which generally consists of having one's throat slit and one's blood spilled upon the ground as a smoking incense to the Mormon God.
Those still faithful to the doctrine of blood atonement as taught by Brigham Young have practiced it at least as recently as the case of Brenda Lafferty and her infant daughter, Erica, in 1998.
Those not faithful to the teachings of the prophets often claim those teachings have been superceded by other, more recent teachings which, in the future, may be contradicted yet again I suppose. Their term for it is "continuing revelation".

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No Surprise wrote:

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Jesus 2000 years ago taught the doctrine of blood atonement. Remember what he said a person should do if they harmed an innocent child? He said they should go and kill themselves. Now that was no doctrine of forgiveness and fell way outside of any doctrine of salvation that he taught. Jesus was an advocate that thou should not kill. But no where did he ever say punishment by death for a crime was always wrong.

Dagobert II wrote:

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Good point. Unfortunately,'Jesus' job description for executioners as presented in some gospels makes holding executions rather problematic. "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7

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No Surprise wrote:

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I knew you were going to bring that up ;) I wanted to address it now as I am. The priests were going to stone her for adultery. Now let's go forward to the Samaritan woman at the well. What did he tell her of whom was committing an adulterous type act though it doesn't say if she or the man were married. He told her to go and sin no more. My point is that Jesus was setting forth ground work for forgivable sins. He was showing that where the Law of Moses proclaimed death for specific acts, he was teaching to put off such punishment and to forgive them, to help them not to recommit the sin again. As with Mary who apparently repented from her adulterous ways. But Jesus did state some sins were unforgivable. Like the denial of the Holy Spirit. Or the harming of innocent children or innocent people for that matter. Those that followed him and obeyed him were also considered innocent because of their repented state of being. They had become as a child again which Jesus did command to be done. Jesus was a forgiving teacher but he also said in many ways that some sins were to be held accountable for through death. Whether you want to believe it or not, Jesus taught the doctrine of blood atonement. It is in the NT in various passages and verses.

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Dagobert II wrote:

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From your telling of it, it sounds as though 'Jesus' was a Mormon who believed in the power of 'continuing revelation' to change the rules of the game at a whim.

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Quiet_Dave wrote:

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BINGO! You may be starting to catch on.

Dagobert II wrote:

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From your telling of it, it sounds as though 'Jesus' was a Mormon who believed in the power of 'continuing revelation' to change the rules of the game at a whim.

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No Surprise wrote:

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Quiet_Dave said it well to you ;) But Jesus didn't believe in revelation. He WAS revelation. From the moment he woke till the moment he slept during his ministry years, all he did was bring forth revelation. His revelations smashed at the core of Jewish belief and all it was about. His revelations were to restructure the Jewish thought about God and they refused to accept what he had to say and teach. The gentiles were more ready to accept his revelations the the Jews themselves, thus the prophecy that the first would come last and the last would come first at the Time of Christ. The gentiles took his words and revelations and made religions from them. The Jews hated it and detested it. Their religion was the one and only religion and there was none other. Their refusal to accept change became their own mode of self destruction that sent them to the four corners of the then known world. By the way, as God, Jesus created the game of life so he had and has the power to change and reveal as he wishes :)

Dagobert II wrote:

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The 'Jesus' of religion is an ancient Pagan myth. It has revealed nothing new, just very old teachings that Jews erroneously thought they had changed, Christians erroneously think they invented, and Moslems erroneously think they hold in the definitive form.

No Surprise wrote:

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At one time the 'Jesus' religious person was seen as a myth and a fairy tale by most all. Unfortunately for people like you who still wish it to be such, what was once an entire myth to people like you has been in recent times, historically proved to be true as far as places and some people and time elements. So your 100% myth is now just a partial myth based on many actual truths established by science. So you can hang onto the small remaining portion of what you call a myth but that portion you cling to, it grows smaller and smaller with each new discovery concerning him and his religion. And that's a bitter spoonful for you to swallow eh :)

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fedupwiththemess wrote:

Why do Mormans have more than one wife. That is NASTY!

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Dagobert II wrote:

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Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of the Mormon Church, liked variety with other men's wives and fourteen year-old girls. Sooo, he had a 'revelation'.

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PPandF wrote:

People you are off your rockers !
YOU know of only LIES !