Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Cary L Nickel wrote:

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I know what I know, and that's all that I know. I have no need to prove anything to anyone.
However, you can find your answers here:
www.mormon.org

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Your "recent" study is four years old.

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Bonus hunter wrote:

The truth the seculars search for can't be obtained by the methods they are using......

Haw Haw wrote:

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Four years for a comprehensive study of depression is recent.
Is there any significant developments in mormondumb within the last four years that would have served to change the conclusions of this study? Other than the opening of the five billion dollar mall by Monsoon and his cronies...

Haw Haw wrote:

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I don't need to go to your fairy tale site except to interact with the "missionaries" from time to time.
Go ahead and live your life based on a provable canard then since you "know" it to be "true" for yourself. Even more provable as a canard than traditional Christianity due to the blatant chicanery of your cult founder - those items being some of the key elements that can easily be proven fraudulent.
Your inability or unwillingness to prove anything about your "knowledge" just makes you appear to be more of a fool. Except you're asking people not only to believe a provable set of lies and falsehoods, you're asking them to condemn others and, perhaps, themselves as a result. Let alone asking them to submit to the arbitrary dietary restrictions and other requirements for entering the secret temples. Let alone making them wear kooky underwear.
In doing so you're, in my opinion, one of the most despicable people on earth. For any honest person examining veracity of the elements of your faith would find that the Book of Abraham is NOT what was on that papyrus, and would also find from official church sources that Joseph Smith had many versions of the First Vision. Similarly they would discover absolutely no evidence for a "great apostasy," and would similarly conclude that the deceptions put on the first presidency and the quorum of 12 by Hofmann, coupled with the visit to the temple by a group of non-worthy people would prove the claims of spiritual discernment false.
Those would be the conclusions of a reasonable person. Which obviously you are not.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Your "recent" study is four years old.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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No need. I already know the Church to be true.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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My evidence is over 30 years of personal experience.

And no, your father was definitely NOT doing what church leaders told him to do. That is YOUR fantasy.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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I know what I know, and that's all that I know. I have no need to prove anything to anyone.

Treefrog wrote:

My heart breaks, I feel Mormonism is Satan's best trick ever played on humankind. With all the family values and Christian attitudes, Mormons are definitely better behaved than most Christians..but when you really dig in to the core, it is very much un-Christian. Most of these wonderful Mormon people don't even know what their religion truly is based on. Look deeper, ask questions. The Bible says seek and ye shall find.
Why do Mormons wear Satan's symbol on their clothing during certain special ceremonies? Think about it. This would put Satan in control. The spirits Joseph Smith saw had to be agents of Satan tricking him into believing.
Who is really in control of the Mormon religion? I hate to say, but it's definitely not Jesus Christ.
Christians need to act more like Mormons, who know how a Christian should act. But, sadly, it looks like Satan has claimed Mormonisn for himself in a great big hoax.
If you are a Mormon, dig deeper. Ask questions. The Bible tells you so. If your church leaders are against seeking the truth, then what are they hiding? I firmly believe that if you search, the road will lead you to God, the father son and holy spirit from the original Bible.

Dana Robertson wrote:

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30 yrs with your head in the sand, being willfully blind to what was going on around you.
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The hell he wasn't

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Treefrog wrote:

My heart breaks, I feel Mormonism is Satan's best trick ever played on humankind. With all the family values and Christian attitudes, Mormons are definitely better behaved than most Christians..but when you really dig in to the core, it is very much un-Christian. Most of these wonderful Mormon people don't even know what their religion truly is based on. Look deeper, ask questions. The Bible says seek and ye shall find.
Why do Mormons wear Satan's symbol on their clothing during certain special ceremonies? Think about it. This would put Satan in control. The spirits Joseph Smith saw had to be agents of Satan tricking him into believing.

Who is really in control of the Mormon religion? I hate to say, but it's definitely not Jesus Christ.

Christians need to act more like Mormons, who know how a Christian should act. But, sadly, it looks like Satan has claimed Mormonisn for himself in a great big hoax.

If you are a Mormon, dig deeper. Ask questions. The Bible tells you so. If your church leaders are against seeking the truth, then what are they hiding? I firmly believe that if you search, the road will lead you to God, the father son and holy spirit from the original Bible.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Thank you for your post written in a manner that imparts love and mutual respect, rather than personal condemnation, anger, and hatred.
However, I urge you to look closer at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and then pray over it. There is a reason members of of the Church behave in the manner you perceive:

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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Until you open your heart to the truth, you will live in anger and bitterness. It will negatively affect you, and everyone personally associated with you.
There is no possible way Church leaders were telling your father to abuse you and your mother. There is no possible way Church leaders were telling your mother to accept abuse. And there is no possible way Church leaders told you to ignore the abuse you claim you received from your father. You claim you were a member for over 30 years, which would mean that you were directly involved with myriad leaders of the Church just at the Ward level, over the decades, all of whom were volunteers. Housewives, white-collar business professionals, blue-collar manual laborers, young and old, retirees, people who perhaps didn't even know each other prior to being chosen as leaders. To believe that all of those people, as volunteer Church leaders, would even ignore your plight, let alone instruct your father to abuse you, is absolutely, without a doubt, inconceivable.
If you honestly believe that were the case, you are in dire need of professional emotional counseling, for you are without a doubt delusional.

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Yeah, fear.

Dana Robertson wrote:

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Regardless of what my father did, all the professional help in the world will never make the LDS church, and my issues are not mine alone, at exmormon.org you can find thousands with similar stories of abuse because of the teachings of the LDS church. You wasn't born and raised in it and you don't know what goes on in every members home. What you call "inconeivable" is happening every single day. All in the name of your church.

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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No child, anywhere in the world, is being abused due to the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Abuse is perversion, not of God. That is the fact. No child abuser is living the Word of God, and all child abusers will be judged by God accordingly, irregardless of judgment by man through civil authority. Abusers can be, and are, excommunicated from the Church, and once excommunicated, cannot regain full membership without the forgiveness of the person(s) abused. I know this to be fact, due to the case of relative, by marriage, who must provide that forgiveness in order for the perpetrator to regain good standing within the Church.
Abuse counseling, for victims, is available through the Church itself.
I quote, directly from the LDS Church website:
"Abuse is the treatment of others or self in a way that causes injury or offense. It harms the mind and the spirit and often injures the body as well. It can cause confusion, doubt, mistrust, and fear. It is a violation of the laws of society and is in total opposition to the teachings of the Savior. The Lord condemns abusive behavior in any form—physical, sexual, verbal, or emotional. Abusive behavior may lead to Church discipline.
Those who have been abusive in any relationship are urged to repent of their sin, to plead with the Lord for forgiveness, and to ask for forgiveness from those who have been harmed. Those who have been abusive should also speak with their bishop or branch president so he can help them through the repentance process and, if necessary, help them receive additional counseling or other assistance. Part of the repentance process may also include accepting whatever penalties are imposed by law.
Victims of abuse should seek help immediately, normally from their bishop or branch president. His first responsibility is to help those who have been abused and to protect those who may be vulnerable to future abuse.
Victims of abuse should be assured that they are not to blame for the harmful behavior of others. They do not need to feel guilt. If they have been a victim of rape or other sexual abuse, whether they have been abused by an acquaintance, a stranger, or even a family member, victims of sexual abuse are not guilty of sexual sin.
Victims of abuse can seek help from their priesthood leader to guide them through the process of emotional healing. Through the blessings of the gospel, victims of abuse can stop the cycle of abuse and be freed from the suffering they have experienced."
http://www.lds.org/study/topics/abuse...

Dana Robertson wrote:

*make the LDS church true,

Cary L Nickel wrote:

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No, not fear.
Joy, and the desire to live a righteous life.