Fired professor stands firm in support of gay marriage

areu gay on here or do u love zac efron?

dances with weebles wrote:

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what a load of horse crap. the world doesn't need to be replenished. it needs to be weeded out. let's start with the mormons, okay?

So you want to buck up against the God of this world, pretty brasin of you, there will come a time when you will wish that the rocks had fallen on you to cover up your perverse and wicked thinking, I have pity on you for you do not understand the gravity and weight that will soon be placed upon you and those that wickedly think the same as you. May Jehovah forgive you.

RickP wrote:

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So you want to buck up against the God of this world, pretty brasin of you, there will come a time when you will wish that the rocks had fallen on you to cover up your perverse and wicked thinking, I have pity on you for you do not understand the gravity and weight that will soon be placed upon you and those that wickedly think the same as you. May Jehovah forgive you.

As if you know it all, as if you speak with impunity, as if the garbage which you just attempted to heap upon another human being leaves *YOU* untested and untried, faithful and righteous and true.

With the stink of your hypocrisy, the miasma and the *wretched stink* of your so-called humanity, daring to judge others, daring to play god, daring in your foolishness and your vomit, and your garbage, your rotting puke, to *raise a finger* against another human being when *YOUR* religion and the religion of people like you has caused misery, discomfort, lies, division, hatred, death, murder.

You demon, you scumbucket.

rdg 1234, don't bother with RickP. I think he is a posing troll: I don't think that he is Mormon. Probably just trying to perpetuate the oh-so-marketable "weirdness" Mormons under a pseudonym.

I've read a number of posts and (living in Utah) have come across a fair number of Mormons in my day. Just like Evangelicals, they have their extreme and vocal bunch, that the hates and is hated by the media. But, from my experience with Mormons, my personal interaction with them (asking them about how they feel about gays, etc), they do very little hating. Only from a distance have I ever seen (or heard) of a Mormon like Rick. Again, as it is with every group (surely not all gay-rights activists are vandals), there are fringe people in the Mormons, as well as in the Muslims, Evangelicals, Gay-rights activists, Catholics, atheists, whites, blacks, males, females, and people who like video games.

If we insist on trying to make our sample population--the representation of any group--from the fringes, we will always come out intolerant.

As I understand, from my extensive conversations with Mormon friends, they love gays, but they feel that the socio-political implications (among others) of recent legislation might be compromising to (in their minds) societal structures and policy (just being fair in generalizations). If you want specifics about what a Mormon thinks, my recommendation to all is to get off the internet, where fringe is in high supply, and go *become friends with a Mormon* and *then* ask him/her for their opinion. Trying to go another way is a sign of intolerance.

The time has come to stop gay-hating. The time has come to stop Mormon-hating. It is time for us to grow up and acknowledge that, even if we have different opinions than others (in policy or whatever), we can live as friends. Some of my best friends (a number of Mormons) disagree with me more than anyone I've ever met. The fact that we can disagree (about social, political, and cultural issues) and and still be friends is ennobling. That is what we need to strive for.

Dr Everyday, I just really like your last two paragraphs.

Unfortunately, voting to destroy someone's marriage is hateful.

It has been my experience that most people who voted for prop-8, like Everyday, that they voted for prop-8 on a number of reasons, and none of which were hate. I readily acknowledge that there are some out there who probably did vote only motivated by hate, but I submit that those were a very small number.

Please, I like Everyday's suggestion. Become *friends* with someone who voted for prop-8. And then ask them why they did it. Not just acquaintances. If you just hate them, all you will ever see from them is a returned hate, whether or not they are giving it. That is a junior high mentality.

Misrepresenting others, for the sake of grouping them all together as "haters" or "weirdos" or whatever is hateful.

Rick P wrote:

This is a Religious school and has no place for Jeffrey Nielsen to express his views openly on Gay Issues. Besides you could not say you support gay marrage in any other staunch religious school either. It is well known that the LDS community stands for family and good moral character, if BYU had allowed this, what kind of message do you think they would be sending to future students? Thank You

First of all, the Mormons are NOT Christians.

Secondly, many Christian denominations allow gay marriage in the church including, but limited to, The United Church Of Christ and the Episcopals.

To say that there is unanimity in the Christian churches about gay marriage is untrue.

Dr Everyday wrote:

rdg 1234, don't bother with RickP. I think he is a posing troll: I don't think that he is Mormon. Probably just trying to perpetuate the oh-so-marketable "weirdness" Mormons under a pseudonym.
I've read a number of posts and (living in Utah) have come across a fair number of Mormons in my day. Just like Evangelicals, they have their extreme and vocal bunch, that the hates and is hated by the media. But, from my experience with Mormons, my personal interaction with them (asking them about how they feel about gays, etc), they do very little hating. Only from a distance have I ever seen (or heard) of a Mormon like Rick. Again, as it is with every group (surely not all gay-rights activists are vandals), there are fringe people in the Mormons, as well as in the Muslims, Evangelicals, Gay-rights activists, Catholics, atheists, whites, blacks, males, females, and people who like video games.
If we insist on trying to make our sample population--the representation of any group--from the fringes, we will always come out intolerant.
As I understand, from my extensive conversations with Mormon friends, they love gays, but they feel that the socio-political implications (among others) of recent legislation might be compromising to (in their minds) societal structures and policy (just being fair in generalizations). If you want specifics about what a Mormon thinks, my recommendation to all is to get off the internet, where fringe is in high supply, and go *become friends with a Mormon* and *then* ask him/her for their opinion. Trying to go another way is a sign of intolerance.
The time has come to stop gay-hating. The time has come to stop Mormon-hating. It is time for us to grow up and acknowledge that, even if we have different opinions than others (in policy or whatever), we can live as friends. Some of my best friends (a number of Mormons) disagree with me more than anyone I've ever met. The fact that we can disagree (about social, political, and cultural issues) and and still be friends is ennobling. That is what we need to strive for.

Absolutely, but I feel it is extremely important -- utterly vital -- to separate disagreement from *action*. If anyone's friends are part of the *problem*-- whether attempting to enact restrictive laws, take away rights, what have you -- they are, to me, not friends at all and I would treat them as such. Hence comes my separation of one set of individuals from another. It's just that there isn't much to *say* when two people agree; it's those who create the problem or are part of it that, to me, must be dealt with. I don't "deal with them" forever; I make myself clear -- and not for their sake, but for that of third parties.