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They follow of their own accord but only seek and see and feel by another's leave. Those who dare challenge them are labeled, but not with the correct epitaphs... and God is a personal experience. Life is a personal experience... God is not separate or far from any of His creations, yet they who claim to be his viceregents here on Earth choose separation on many, many levels. And they could never tell you what you feel inside or what it could truly mean to yourself, yet they seek to corral and hedge in this experience. Yes, Brother Winters, I hate religion...

..For I love LIFE and that which the Creator has endowed me with... and how wrong would I be if I choose to listen to THEM instead of the brain that God equipt me with?

Most surprising and refreshing you are, Mr. Winters.

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Indeed.

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Jun 20, 2008
 
It's apparent reading these comments why the insiders who control the Repuglican Party shied away from Romney. Americans want their presidents affiliated with some mainstream demomination but not one that's too "out there". And want them not "too religious"--one of the reasons they nixed Huckaby. The last ordained minister elected president was James A. Garfield, 170 years ago.

Neither Romney nor Huckaby could be elected because the closer the general election, the more discussions like the above would come to the fore.

Also that's why Barack had to "distance himself" from Trinity UCC. Not that the UCC itself is as "far out" as Mormonism is or used to be. UCC is mainstream American protestantism. But this particular Rev. Wright was manifesting too many "revelations" of his own, deviations from mainstream American Protestantism. Also, by changing churchs, Barack showed he's mainstream and not wedded to Rev. Wright's more peculiar "liberationist" doctrines.

Romney, however, probably wouldn't and couldn't switch and , say, join the local Lutheran church. And exploring the reasons why also explains why he can't be president and why the Repuglican insiders decided he had to be dumped.
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history science smartness eloquence wise words that you all
are saying about us to say that our church isn't true will not drive us to lose our faith I've been into mission cause
I was already 24 when I was baptised But I didn't justified that for not deciding to go in the mission. But I know and feel that our church is true for there is nothing will deceive you if you have faith and you know how to pray.
the power of prayer is the most important force that everyone has in times of doubt and persecution.

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among you soon wrote:
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Kinda makes ya want to start your very own "compound", complete with several serving wives and lots of kids to do your bidding. Huge houses, with large farms and lots of grounds for raising horses and livestock--Sounds like a financial wonderland to me. I wonder when the women will catch on and start their very own "compounds", complete with several serving guys and lots of kids to do their bidding? No wonder so many are turning to this lifestyle. Could save on food, gas, electricity. insurance, medical and housing. Makes a lot of economic sense to me. I wonder where a person can find a couple of thousand arces for sale on the cheap?
that's how Fillipino immmigrants do it (only without most of the sex and stuff)

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Jun 20, 2008
 
I would hope with all that has happened in the month or so. That we all could agree that we do not condone child abuse, nor adult abuse? When it gets down to nitty gitty, this is what we all are concerned about! I hate people who abuse children, an older adults! But by wedding a younger child (under 18) is wrong also in my book!
They are saying now they will not condone underage marriages. Well duhhhhhh!! Thats is wrong! The main difference between Main stream christians and the lds, is that we do not belive the lsd is followers of Jesus Christ. I think that follow the book of mormon, and not the Bible? Everytime something comes up , lds quotes the bom. The lines between the lsd and main stream people will allways be there. Im sure Hannah and James are fine people. We just dont belive in the same pratices that we honor our god!
One thing we can all be thankfull for is our rights to pratice our own here. Offbeats like the flds are using relgious freedoms to condone the ways they act and behave! Even here you do not have to belive in god. Its your choice. I prefer to think that there is a god. My choice! TY Donnie

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I would hope with all that has happened in the month or so. That we all could agree that we do not condone child abuse, nor adult abuse? When it gets down to nitty gitty, this is what we all are concerned about! I hate people who abuse children, an older adults! But by wedding a younger child (under 18) is wrong also in my book!
They are saying now they will not condone underage marriages. Well duhhhhhh!! Thats is wrong! The main difference between Main stream christians and the lds, is that we do not belive the lsd is followers of Jesus Christ. I think that follow the book of mormon, and not the Bible? Everytime something comes up , lds quotes the bom. The lines between the lsd and main stream people will allways be there. Im sure Hannah and James are fine people. We just dont belive in the same pratices that we honor our god!
One thing we can all be thankfull for is our rights to pratice our own here. Offbeats like the flds are using relgious freedoms to condone the ways they act and behave! Even here you do not have to belive in god. Its your choice. I prefer to think that there is a god. My choice! TY Donnie
Don, first thank you, if I had anything to add to that, it would be this, Hannah may even agree to some extent if she noticed this trend, I USUALLY only quote scriptures from the Bible. it is NOT because I do not believe in it in any sense, but there is no way to properly collaborate or show the parallels between our Church and any other by SOLELY using the Book of Mormon, D&C or the Ensign or anything else modern...if you don't believe in it, what good will it do me to use scripture that you cannot believe in...however, I DO use the Bible and often ad nauseum if that is possible to show that we DO use the Bible, extensively even. I have had few conversations where I could not find it in the Bible. Most of the time, I can find what I need. I do not use the bible to bash or thump, but as the resource and sacred study material that it is.

My posts have reflected my need for the Bible and my need to show other Christians that we have no inclination to avoid the Bible by any means.

I liken it to a court case, the prosecution needs as much evidence as possible to properly prosecute the defendant..

Likewise, we use all of our resources to learn and grow regarding Christ's Gospel. If we were to NOT have all of the resources and we get beat by the defendant...what was the point?

with 13 million members and a LARGE portion of that being converts.....you have to think that it is starting to become apparent that your Prosecutor may not have all of his resources...because our Church continues to grow at breakneck speed, if not in the USA, then everywhere else in the world.
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Are you counting pets, plants, cars, etc? I read that even an Osmond lied, so what is this world coming to? This whole FLDS thing has been a huge eye opener.

I noticed the missionaries are laying low these days in Texas.

My deal with HR is that she holds herself out as an expert or knowledgeable about what is going on in Texas and she is nowhere near here. She also takes issue with people in Texas taking more of an interest that somewhere wherever she is in her FIFTH WHEEL.

It's nothing personal. It's just that people who claim to want LDS and FLDS to have rights try toi take rights from others. It's very ironic

It's also not right that the LDS take issue with the FLDS when they actually follow all of the Mormon Principle whereas LDS pick and choose.
So, who is more faithful and true to their religion?

Like I said, I'm doing several things at once, so pick this apart if you wish.

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Tex wrote:
Are you counting pets, plants, cars, etc? I read that even an Osmond lied, so what is this world coming to? This whole FLDS thing has been a huge eye opener.
I noticed the missionaries are laying low these days in Texas.
My deal with HR is that she holds herself out as an expert or knowledgeable about what is going on in Texas and she is nowhere near here. She also takes issue with people in Texas taking more of an interest that somewhere wherever she is in her FIFTH WHEEL.
It's nothing personal. It's just that people who claim to want LDS and FLDS to have rights try toi take rights from others. It's very ironic
It's also not right that the LDS take issue with the FLDS when they actually follow all of the Mormon Principle whereas LDS pick and choose.
So, who is more faithful and true to their religion?
Like I said, I'm doing several things at once, so pick this apart if you wish.
sorry ...lack of time and interest.

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sorry ...lack of time and interest.
Ditto...good response.
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Just like any other religion looking to expand its coffers...open the "secrets" up to others in order to expand the "teachings" so all may achieve a way to heaven. Currently the effort is on illegals in our great country with many churches speaking up. The net worth of the church increases as the net worth of its parishoners increases. Why not aknowledge a poorer people to help elvate them to higher wages, hence, higher tithes. What a racket religion is.

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Missouri Man wrote:
I would hope with all that has happened in the month or so. That we all could agree that we do not condone child abuse, nor adult abuse? When it gets down to nitty gitty, this is what we all are concerned about! I hate people who abuse children, an older adults! But by wedding a younger child (under 18) is wrong also in my book!
They are saying now they will not condone underage marriages. Well duhhhhhh!! Thats is wrong! The main difference between Main stream christians and the lds, is that we do not belive the lsd is followers of Jesus Christ. I think that follow the book of mormon, and not the Bible? Everytime something comes up , lds quotes the bom. The lines between the lsd and main stream people will allways be there. Im sure Hannah and James are fine people. We just dont belive in the same pratices that we honor our god!
One thing we can all be thankfull for is our rights to pratice our own here. Offbeats like the flds are using relgious freedoms to condone the ways they act and behave! Even here you do not have to belive in god. Its your choice. I prefer to think that there is a god. My choice! TY Donnie
Missouri Man,
Good post...I do agree with you on most things...no one in their right mind condones child abuse. And personally I think the FLDS have brought a lot of their problems on themselves by their choices. Marrying underage girls is wrong. But the way Texas did what they did was also wrong. Taking away basic American rights. The FLDS are still American citizens and deserve due process just like we do. If they have broke the laws then throw the book at them just like they did to Jeffs. But do it right so that the convictions stick.
There are huge difference between the FLDS and the LDS. Just like the Protestants are different from the Catholics. LDS for the most part don't let their youth date until they are 16 and even then council them to not go steady but to date in groups for fun. Then at the appropriate age when they can handle having a family is the time to date more seriously.
And your knowledge of the LDS is lacking but I guess you are just going by what you have been told about us instead of getting your information from us. That is a kin to asking the Pharisees or Juda what Christ taught. We do believe in the Bible but we don't believe in a closed cannon. Now where in the Bible does it say there can not be anymore scriptures. Everyone likes to hang their hat on the verse in Revelations but what they don't know is that verse only pertains to Revelations. Revelations was not the last book written by John but when the Bible books were gathered together 350 AD to be published as the Bible they put Revelations last because it was an apocrypha type of book unlike the gospels that were put at the beginning or the epistles or letters that were next. I think if you would give the LDS a benefit of a doubt and get your information about us from us you would find that we use the Bible as much as the Book of Mormon as the scriptures are all integrated and testify of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Heck, there is even a Baptist Minister who uses the Book of Mormon to preach from as well as the Bible.
http://www.centerplace.org/library/bofm/bapti...
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As long as we have the Curse of Cain and it is NOT repudiated, it can also NOT be perfect.
The Church did not (and will not) disavow the Curse of Cain, they simply allowed Blacks to have the Priesthood..but they do NOT feel that it was wrong to do what had been done.
Thhe doctrine can still be correct about those off African decent being the last to get the priesthood even if Brigham misunderstood thhe reason why

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Thhe doctrine can still be correct about those off African decent being the last to get the priesthood even if Brigham misunderstood thhe reason why
How in the heck do you defend the doctrine of your gospel?

It's called "racism" - sanctioned by the church.

Why "Should" blacks be the last to get the priesthood"? Based upon skin color alone? How does a man "misunderstand" supposed gospel? Mortal RACISM, twisted into rationalization.

Now, run along, and wash out your sacred embroidered undergarments... you're so full of crap, they have to be browned by now.

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God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Except for priesthood. oh, and polygamy. oh hehe, and when he puts his gospel on the earth, and to who and where.

er, wait...

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God is the same yesterday, today and forever. Except for priesthood. oh, and polygamy. oh hehe, and when he puts his gospel on the earth, and to who and where.
er, wait...
I find that new revelation that strengthens the gospel should be looked at as a positive, progressive component to the gospel and not that the gospel should be a static unyielding one. I believe the Savior was progressive for his time and would be the same today. Times and people change and I expect that the gospel would adapt to the needs of each generation. In the Bible there are statements about the earth being flat yet we now know differently now and have progressed as further light and knowledge has been given. I suspect the future will bring more light and knowledge that new revelations will be forth coming and expected should not criticized. I guess it's hard for some to change or for some to see that change is not a declaration that proves a wrong in the first place.

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I find that new revelation that strengthens the gospel should be looked at as a positive, progressive component to the gospel and not that the gospel should be a static unyielding one. I believe the Savior was progressive for his time and would be the same today. Times and people change and I expect that the gospel would adapt to the needs of each generation. In the Bible there are statements about the earth being flat yet we now know differently now and have progressed as further light and knowledge has been given. I suspect the future will bring more light and knowledge that new revelations will be forth coming and expected should not criticized. I guess it's hard for some to change or for some to see that change is not a declaration that proves a wrong in the first place.
Thats awesome, but I still think a truly just and loving god would limit his priesthood, unless it was borne of mans outdated bias.

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Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the “four corners” of the earth.

Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving.

Bible writers used the “language of appearance,” just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly.

In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon.

A literal translation of Job 26:10 is "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22 - "the circle of the earth."

Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10
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Missouri Man,
Good post...I do agree with you on most things...no one in their right mind condones child abuse. And personally I think the FLDS have brought a lot of their problems on themselves by their choices. Marrying underage girls is wrong. But the way Texas did what they did was also wrong. Taking away basic American rights. The FLDS are still American citizens and deserve due process just like we do. If they have broke the laws then throw the book at them just like they did to Jeffs. But do it right so that the convictions stick.
There are huge difference between the FLDS and the LDS. Just like the Protestants are different from the Catholics. LDS for the most part don't let their youth date until they are 16 and even then council them to not go steady but to date in groups for fun. Then at the appropriate age when they can handle having a family is the time to date more seriously.
And your knowledge of the LDS is lacking but I guess you are just going by what you have been told about us instead of getting your information from us. That is a kin to asking the Pharisees or Juda what Christ taught. We do believe in the Bible but we don't believe in a closed cannon. Now where in the Bible does it say there can not be anymore scriptures. Everyone likes to hang their hat on the verse in Revelations but what they don't know is that verse only pertains to Revelations. Revelations was not the last book written by John but when the Bible books were gathered together 350 AD to be published as the Bible they put Revelations last because it was an apocrypha type of book unlike the gospels that were put at the beginning or the epistles or letters that were next. I think if you would give the LDS a benefit of a doubt and get your information about us from us you would find that we use the Bible as much as the Book of Mormon as the scriptures are all integrated and testify of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Heck, there is even a Baptist Minister who uses the Book of Mormon to preach from as well as the Bible.
http://www.centerplace.org/library/bofm/bapti...
The Baptist Version
of The Book of Mormon
Protestant Doctrines
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by Lynn Ridenhour,
Southern Baptist Minister
You never miss an opportunity to put your boot in Texas's rear, so
you are the reason I will probably always from this point on have disdain
for the Mormons, the Missionaries, the whole kit and caboodle whereas before I never gave it too much thought. I was courteous to missionaries
because I was taught to respect the rights of other people to believe whatever works for them.

Hannah Rebekah along with a few of her cheerleaders have made me see the light about what Mormons are really about. Thanks for making me see the light.

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You never miss an opportunity to put your boot in Texas's rear, so
you are the reason I will probably always from this point on have disdain
for the Mormons, the Missionaries, the whole kit and caboodle whereas before I never gave it too much thought. I was courteous to missionaries
because I was taught to respect the rights of other people to believe whatever works for them.
Hannah Rebekah along with a few of her cheerleaders have made me see the light about what Mormons are really about. Thanks for making me see the light.
I'm a Mormon, what was said that disillusioned you? I'm asking sincerely.
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