another A+....good one!Please greynomo, that's as lame as it get's. The wailing wall is not a place to hold a religious service. There are no funeral's there, no masses there, no wedding's there. This place is sacred for the jewish faith and a place for the jewish people to pray. Sen. Obama's trip was staged and used for commercial purposes only. A great photo oportunity, completely set-up by the Obama campaign. Wake up and smell the Obamastink.
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Israeli newspaper publishes Obama's note left in Western Wall
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Vistors from around the world have left notes in this wall. Sorry, you didn't get the analogy. |
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It is a tradition for people to pray at the Wall. It is also tradition for people to write out their intention or prayer and place it in a crack in the wall. Posting the prayer in this way is another way to affirm the intention. I think Obama was sincere in his actions here. What was written was between Obama and his god. |
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<q>would you like to put your money where your mouth is?......that is if you can take it off of obamas -------- ck</q>
Actually, I am not a betting man. Obviously, though you are no better than a playground bully to insinuate that I would perform such an act, simply because my opinion and support differ from yours. I say that Obama will win because of this: 1 - His oratory skills. He is a very capabale speaker. He gets the audience's attention, and keeps it. His speeches are memorable. His opponent's speeches are often bumbling, and generally require his staffers to make amendments and qualifications afterwards, further muddying the issues. 2 - His visibiity. While the opponenet is in BFE Ohio talking to small crowds (I'm not saying this is bad, just that it is what it is.) Obama is on the news talking to 200,000 people in Berlin, plus however many more watched it on TV/YouTube. 3 - His message. His message is positive, it is upbeat. McCain continues to spout negativity adn I believe the American people are tired of it. They have gotten it for the last 8 years. Nothing but negativity coming from Capitol Hill (from both sides), and I think we want someone positive in office this time around. 4 - The data. Data shows that nearly always, after a two-term president, the people elect one of the opposite party. It shouldn't take a polical scientist to figure out why. There are many more and I could go on and on, but I won't. If you refuse to believe, that's your business, but you really should act like an adult and argue maturely. To make accusation towards one's sexuality is the stuff of playground bullies. |
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Exactly. WTF? BTW, are thee any good pics or video of this visit? I am wondering if he was smart enough to bring a kippa or a cap or if he opted for the embarrassing paper one. |
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Actually it's not a 24 note center for visitors. It appears you don't understand much about the Wailing Wall. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wall I also found your analogy to be flawed. You are trying to establish a sacred place for Jews as a wedding, when it is far from that. Maybe you can tell us, do you go randomly dropping flowers on strangers graves during a funeral in front of their family? If you do, you would have an argument. All Obama did was cheapen 2000 years of history to garner votes. What Obama should have done was visit our wounded troops and tell them he is bringing them home and making sure the hospitals are in tip top shape. |
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Gina, Read my above post. This is not 'common'. 2000 years of war have been involved and the Wall is much more than a place for casual note dropping. It is not a memorial, it is considered sacred religious ground. Was Obama sincere? I think he was sincere in that he wants to show he can accept (almost) any culture (which by an large is a good thing), and this was a big stage to do it on (not so good). I do not think he was sincere towards the Jews or even Muslims, or would have not done this. Given his recent theological departures, I doubt his faith has much to do with any of this. |
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did you hear about the CNN poll that 80% of the French people support Obama
another reason to not vote for him. |
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You obviously aren't able to communicate like an adult, Dave. You jump to name calling immediately. It's people like you that make the right look bad...
Further argument with you is not worth my time... |
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name calling?.........what name?.........and i more liberal than you anyday even if i am a republican,i just don't go so far left that i forget reality!.........now good bye rocker, i know your skin is very thin |
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I tried to find this on line at the various Israeli newspapers printed in English and there was nothing. There was some commenting about his visiting the Western Wall, not all favorable and not all not favorable from Palestinian, Christian or Jew. The same was true of his visit to the Holocaust Memorial.
Something tells me we don't have the whole story. |
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Sean? Is that you? Shouldn't you be coming up with more nonsense to pontificate about on tonights show? |
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You, sir are rabid. |
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As a Jew, ia am extremely disappointed by behavior.
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Meh, and all others who missed the point: Matthew6 didn't suggest Obama could get to the Wall unnoticed. The suggestion was that he make his prayers in private -- alone --*in a closet* as it were. Public prayers are usually *corporate*, private prayers are for our personal spiritual growth. As a *private prayer*, Obama's was fine; he risked (?) making it public by writing it out and depositing it in a public place. Written prayers placed in the Western Wall are significant for Jews only. If Obama wants Christians to believe he's one of them he would be well-advised to keep his personal prayers private. |
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all of you are insane, let the man pray
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I understand your point. However, the challenge is that this country has more dumb people than free thinkers or rational thinkers... and the media controls the outcome to some degree. In a way, I think media is all about skewing results so they make it "clear" to politicians that they need to collaborate with their free-press state ... is kind'a like a hostage situation for big "ego" type people (a.k.a. Media & Entertainment moguls)
I would take the freedom of free press and would shove it down every news cast personnel and chief executive involved in this frenzy... Now Obama is more qualified than McCain ? What?
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"It's inappropriate that the prayers of a person at the Western Wall should become a subject of public knowledge at all," said Jonathan Rosenblum, a Jerusalem-based analyst of the religious community and director of the Orthodox Am Ehad think-tank, and Jerusalem Post columnist. "There is a rabbinic prohibition against reading other people's private communications and certainly anyone who goes to the wall expects that those communication will be protected."
Another Israeli paper, Yediot Aharonot, published an article Friday saying it had also obtained the note but decided not to publish it, to respect Obama's privacy. Nearly all other Israeli media outlets ignored the story. I posted let's wait until we find out the whole story for I didn't find it in the Israeli-English papers, until today. This is what I found and a general distaste for Ma'ariv's decision. Shame on them. It disgusts me. Most Israelis I have been in touch with, as well as Jews, including Rabbi's are very angry at this. It is a betrayal. I hope the people who control the wall and the specific seminary and the paper take action. |
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So, you want me to believe in a Israeli newspaper? One of the most censured media in the world? You must be kidding. |
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Crossing the moral boundary? A note that we all wanted to read, a note that someone grabbed... And we have the unreleased video.
Seconds after Obama left the stones, I recorded a young man gathering notes in his hands in what appeared to be the search for Obama's freshly placed personal note. He is quickly joined by others who unwrap several notes and read them. An extended, unedited clip (in youtube low-res) available at: http://www.youtube.com/watch... |
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