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#203
Nov 15, 2012
 
the Mad JW wrote:
What concern?
YOU'RE the ones focused on them, churchoids.
I focus on the Bible.
if you say so....

Reminds me of Matthew chapter 6.

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the Mad JW wrote:
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Demented, REGARDLESS of who or how it came to be- it DID, and IS how His Name (that you spit on) in pronounced in English.
By denying HIM- you deny His son...thus are an AntiChrist.
You crack me up!
Your god up in the Pleiades Star Cluster is imaginary and the name is an erroneous hybrid error made in 1270 by a Roman Catholic monk WHO WAS TRYING TO ESTABLISH THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION OF THE Tetragrammaton! It had nothing to do with translation into English!
PLUS you reject the Jewish GOD and you reject the Jewish Jesus!
And you dare to call anyone else the Antichrist?

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the Mad JW wrote:
I AM sick of all the I AM baloney.
Jesus wasn't speaking e-bonics.
yeah, it's like a cult following. But worse. It's not even true.
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#206
Nov 15, 2012
 
miseracord wrote:
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References please.
Ramundus martini created the name "Jehovah" in the year 1270 A.D. while writing a book.He was a catholic that misspelled the name.The editing wasnt that great back then.Then when the second president of the wt printing company/cult took over after charlie russel died he wanted to seperate himself from charlie so he renamed the cult to "Jehovah" witnesses.Years later it was brought to his attention that it was a misspelled version of gods name,he said who cares man I made alot of money with that name we'll keep it.

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dr fil religion scholar, Explain if you can, why and how it is Martini "created" the name Jehovah. You say it without proof of anything. Explain how it is he mispelled it. And after that explain why the greatly respected version of the King James Bible used Jehovah, as if they just did not realize the misspelling. And why do so many modern versions of the Bible use the name Jehovah as if their scholars were no good (according to you)? I doubt you can answer any question. Start with the first one. Why do you say Martini created and mispelled the name Jehovah?
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miseracord wrote:
dr fil religion scholar, Explain if you can, why and how it is Martini "created" the name Jehovah. You say it without proof of anything. Explain how it is he mispelled it. And after that explain why the greatly respected version of the King James Bible used Jehovah, as if they just did not realize the misspelling. And why do so many modern versions of the Bible use the name Jehovah as if their scholars were no good (according to you)? I doubt you can answer any question. Start with the first one. Why do you say Martini created and mispelled the name Jehovah?
Martini made his mistake with the "Jehovah" name in the year 1270 A.D. The king james used the misspelled name "Jehovah" in the year 1611 A.D.Do two wrongs make a right?

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religion scholar wrote:
<quoted text> Martini made his mistake with the "Jehovah" name in the year 1270 A.D. The king james used the misspelled name "Jehovah" in the year 1611 A.D.Do two wrongs make a right?
still you've explained nothing. You cannot explain how it was a "mistake." And you cannot explain your statement as to how Martini "created" the name.
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miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>still you've explained nothing. You cannot explain how it was a "mistake." And you cannot explain your statement as to how Martini "created" the name.
What difference doe it make as to how he created the name. Knowing he created the name should be enough to know it was never heard of before 1270, just as the WT said.

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dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> What difference doe it make as to how he created the name. Knowing he created the name should be enough to know it was never heard of before 1270, just as the WT said.
because claims are made without explanation, without basis and so you and yours cannot and do not explain anything. The statement was made that Martini "created" the name. Just how was it created, or should I take your stupid word for it. And dumb dr fillabusters word for it. You cannot explain even the simplest of statements yet you want to be a spokesman for ahem your false god.
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miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>still you've explained nothing. You cannot explain how it was a "mistake." And you cannot explain your statement as to how Martini "created" the name.
I'll talk real slow cause your not that sharp.Now raymundus martini misspelled the god name long,long ago in the year 1270A.D. Ya see he was writing a book and it was very late.Ray was tired and his eyes were failing him.Ray fumbled a few letters and the misspelled name is born.Are ya still with me kid? Ok now many years later a drunk lawyer stepped in to take over a cult org after their leader died.The drunk renamed the cult The "Jehovah" witnesses.Now the drunk didnt know it was misspelled at that time because he was more interested in his bottle of jim beam.He found out it was indeed misspelled years later but didnt correct the spelling.(Which is a show of dissrespect for gods name and vary stupid).The end.
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religion wrote:
<quoted text> I'll talk real slow cause your not that sharp.Now raymundus martini misspelled the god name long,long ago in the year 1270A.D. Ya see he was writing a book and it was very late.Ray was tired and his eyes were failing him.Ray fumbled a few letters and the misspelled name is born.Are ya still with me kid? Ok now many years later a drunk lawyer stepped in to take over a cult org after their leader died.The drunk renamed the cult The "Jehovah" witnesses.Now the drunk didnt know it was misspelled at that time because he was more interested in his bottle of jim beam.He found out it was indeed misspelled years later but didnt correct the spelling.(Which is a show of dissrespect for gods name and vary stupid).The end.
The facts are not as you portray them...

Raymundus Maritini (Ramón Martí, 1220 - 1285) was the greatest Hebraist and orientalist of the Middle Ages, and the leading representative of the Spanish Dominican school in the polemic against the Jews. His knowledge of languages and his outstanding command of Biblical and post-Biblical Jewish literature knew no equal, neither in his own time nor in the following centuries.

Raymundus studied Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic. In his opus magnum Pugio fidei adversus Mauros and Iudaeos (Dagger of Faith against Moslems and Jews), written around 1280, he tried to prove Christianity's truth using Jewish sources: Talmud, Midrashic literature, Jewish exegesis, Jewish philosophy and Kabbalah.

He believed that these sources hide old traditions which prove the main tenets of Christianity and which should be extracted from the Jewish books "like pearls from a dunghill". His method was to bring the Jewish section in its Hebrew or Aramaic original, followed by a Latin translation and a commentary.

Raymundus' aim was not to refute Jewish sources or to annihilate Jewish books, but to use them for Christian purposes. He looked for the sources - legends in particular - which included, so he believed, Christian truth, but also those that proved that contemporary Judaism was no longer the Biblical Judaism deserving of Christian tolerance.
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little lamb wrote:
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The facts are not as you portray them...
Raymundus Maritini (Ramón Martí, 1220 - 1285) was the greatest Hebraist and orientalist of the Middle Ages, and the leading representative of the Spanish Dominican school in the polemic against the Jews. His knowledge of languages and his outstanding command of Biblical and post-Biblical Jewish literature knew no equal, neither in his own time nor in the following centuries.
Raymundus studied Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic. In his opus magnum Pugio fidei adversus Mauros and Iudaeos (Dagger of Faith against Moslems and Jews), written around 1280, he tried to prove Christianity's truth using Jewish sources: Talmud, Midrashic literature, Jewish exegesis, Jewish philosophy and Kabbalah.
He believed that these sources hide old traditions which prove the main tenets of Christianity and which should be extracted from the Jewish books "like pearls from a dunghill". His method was to bring the Jewish section in its Hebrew or Aramaic original, followed by a Latin translation and a commentary.
Raymundus' aim was not to refute Jewish sources or to annihilate Jewish books, but to use them for Christian purposes. He looked for the sources - legends in particular - which included, so he believed, Christian truth, but also those that proved that contemporary Judaism was no longer the Biblical Judaism deserving of Christian tolerance.
And ray did misstranslate the name .Thank you.

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religion scholar wrote:
<quoted text> And ray did misstranslate the name .Thank you.
Ray invented the fake, fabricated name.
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Bite My Jehovah wrote:
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Ray invented the fake, fabricated name.
That is what cults do, invent names and fantasies.
What better way to let brainwashed robots think your organization is God, than by mixing up a made up word for "God" and their organization, in your propaganda you force them to read and listen to hour after hour after hour etc etc?

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The general....and the correct consensus...is that "jehovah" is NOT His name FOREVER!
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#218
Nov 16, 2012
 
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>because claims are made without explanation, without basis and so you and yours cannot and do not explain anything. The statement was made that Martini "created" the name. Just how was it created, or should I take your stupid word for it. And dumb dr fillabusters word for it. You cannot explain even the simplest of statements yet you want to be a spokesman for ahem your false god.
If you don't want to take someone's word for it why do you ask them for an explanation that you aren't willing to take? Try making some sense ! Try researching for yourself if you dare.
Your own masters gave you an explanation that you reject so I doubt you will accept any explanation that will dislodge that lie that they planted in your brain previously, even by the ones who planted it there.
LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES can see the danger of brain washing
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#219
Nov 16, 2012
 
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> If you don't want to take someone's word for it why do you ask them for an explanation that you aren't willing to take? Try making some sense ! Try researching for yourself if you dare.
Your own masters gave you an explanation that you reject so I doubt you will accept any explanation that will dislodge that lie that they planted in your brain previously, even by the ones who planted it there.
LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES can see the danger of brain washing
hi dee, hope all is well

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religion scholar wrote:
<quoted text> And ray did misstranslate the name .Thank you.
you still don't get it. You say things but don't say anything of substance. HOW did he mistranslate the name? From what? to what? And why? You just talk.

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dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> If you don't want to take someone's word for it why do you ask them for an explanation that you aren't willing to take? Try making some sense ! Try researching for yourself if you dare.
Your own masters gave you an explanation that you reject so I doubt you will accept any explanation that will dislodge that lie that they planted in your brain previously, even by the ones who planted it there.
LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES can see the danger of brain washing
You, my dear, are not my master or my mistress. You and your fellow cohorts offer nothing but opinion and conjecture. And ridiculous at that. take note.
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#222
Nov 16, 2012
 
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> If you don't want to take someone's word for it why do you ask them for an explanation that you aren't willing to take? Try making some sense ! Try researching for yourself if you dare.
Your own masters gave you an explanation that you reject so I doubt you will accept any explanation that will dislodge that lie that they planted in your brain previously, even by the ones who planted it there.
LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES can see the danger of brain washing
I think lurkers is the main word.
If someone is mentally ill enough to have a "Bible Study" with a Jehovah's Witness, they are probably not stable enough to peruse the internet for facts.
IMHO

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