Education & the WTBTS

Does today's economy prove the wisdom of listening to the Watchtower Society doctrine regarding higher education?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/us/job-loss...

Job Losses Persist for the Less-Educated
By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA
Published: August 15, 2012

After suffering the largest share of job losses in the recession, Americans with no more than a high school education have continued to lose jobs during the sputtering recovery while better-educated people have gained millions of jobs, according to a Georgetown University study.


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Over nearly five years of financial turmoil, Americans across a broad spectrum have suffered blows to wages, benefits and savings. But when it comes to employment, the crux of financial survival, the study revealed a tale of sharply different economies, defined by education.

Even during the recession, as millions of jobs vanished, the number of people with bachelor’s degrees who had jobs did not decline. And even as employment rose during the recovery, people who did not go to college continued to lose ground, shedding 200,000 jobs from early 2010 to early 2012.

“The extent of both are surprising,” said Anthony P. Carnevale, director of the Center on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown and a co-author of the study.“The economy we all have in our minds is the one we had in 2006, and it’s gone.”

The study, based on data collected by the Census Bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, divided the nation’s work force of 140 million people into three groups: those who did not go to college, those with some college education or an associate degree, and those with at least a bachelor’s degree.

From late 2007, when the recession began, to early 2012, the number of people with jobs in the least-educated group fell by more than 5.8 million, or 10 percent. In the middle group, recession losses were not as steep and were almost completely reversed by early this year. And in the best-educated group, in which there was no net loss during the recession, the number of people with jobs climbed by 2.2 million, or 5 percent.

(The Georgetown researchers relied on the government’s Current Population Survey, rather than on a different government count, Current Employment Statistics. Each has drawbacks, and Current Employment Statistics showed deeper job losses during the recession, but the overall patterns were similar.)

The disparity in employment based on education has been growing since the 1980s, Mr. Carnevale said, but “both the recession and the recovery have sharply accelerated that structural change.”

The manufacturing, construction and transportation industries, which depend heavily on less-educated workers, had the sharpest job losses in the recession. Those fields are also dominated by men, leading to much commentary that it was a mostly male recession.

But the Georgetown researchers found that the sex disparity had narrowed, with women benefiting less from the recovery, in part because they are disproportionately affected by the decline in government employment.

The most hopeful finding, Mr. Carnevale said, is that in recent years more men than women have returned to school to make themselves more employable, reversing a longstanding trend.

“We seem to have hit the boys hard enough to wake them up,” he said.

How about it, JW's?

wow no answers since this morning... you must have hit a nerve!

UNchained wrote:

Does today's economy prove the wisdom of listening to the Watchtower Society doctrine regarding higher education?

Jehovah's Witnesses have faith in the words of Jesus Christ:

*** Matt 6:30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today exists, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, won't he much more clothe you, you of little faith?

*** Matt 6:31 "Therefore do not be anxious, saying,'What will we eat?','What will we drink?' or,'With what will we be clothed?'

*** Matt 6:32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

*** Matt 6:33 But seek first his Kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things will be given to you as well.

It take true FAITH to trust in the words of Jesus Christ. But it always pays off.

Aneirin wrote:

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Jehovah's Witnesses have faith in the words of Jesus Christ:
*** Matt 6:30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today exists, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, won't he much more clothe you, you of little faith?
*** Matt 6:31 "Therefore do not be anxious, saying,'What will we eat?','What will we drink?' or,'With what will we be clothed?'
*** Matt 6:32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
*** Matt 6:33 But seek first his Kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things will be given to you as well.
It take true FAITH to trust in the words of Jesus Christ. But it always pays off.

Agree with these scriptures.." Can't serve two masters..God and mammon..'

have to make a choice..one will work you to death , and God Jehovah will bless them that serve him..

UNchained wrote:

Does today's economy prove the wisdom of listening to the Watchtower Society doctrine regarding higher education?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/us/job-loss...
Job Losses Persist for the Less-Educated
By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA
Published: August 15, 2012

What is so sad about this --is that Captains of industry, economist, College Chancellors , HR Directors of any Fortune 1000 company, could have told you this- I like everyone who has looked at the FACTS ALREADY KNEW THIS. It is very sad to see a religion like JW get thrown in with the Amish.

Jw are still trying to figure out how College = more and better employment opportunities

great article- that can be confirmed 1000's of times over from all sectors of the Employment industry

College/university = higher thinking

Also most proffesers encourage students to challenge everything! Find out the origin... And debate...

:)

Aneirin wrote:

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Jehovah's Witnesses have faith in the words of Jesus Christ:
*** Matt 6:30

*** Matt 6:31
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*** Matt 6:32 ***

Matt 6:33

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It take true FAITH to trust in the words of Jesus Christ. But it always pays off.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!11

folks i can't saying it over and over

WE CAN'T MAKE UP THIS STUFF, JW ACTUALLY DO SAY THIS STUFF

Have you seen a more Perverted, Twisted, Misapplication of scriptures in your life

These text HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GOING TO COLLEGE OR NOT

this has got to be one of the finest examples of how folks can twist the bible to say and mean whatever they want it to say

Does not Gareth sould like religious Groups who condemn "medical doctors"

they have a disdain for Doctors and hospitals, etc and say EXACTLY THE SAME THING, THAT ONE NEEDS FAITH AND NOT DOCTORS

WE HAVE seen how the courts have had to step in as they apply their wacked theology to letting their children DIE because they think IF THEY HAVE FAITH AND PRAY, little johnny Cancer will go away

unfortunately for jw kids there are no court systems to save them from NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THEIR God given talents and skills and have then Polished and Honed to beomce what many times they have as natural talent and some college education would make them

we are seeing in my view the Finest example of the Sheer Disdain that jw have towards HIGHER EDUCATION

HERE We have Gareth a Dedicated Batptized JW publicly demostrate for us this disdain that has been indoctrinated in him

He read the Published Report and Document and he DIDN'T EVEN DENY IT, DIDN'T say the stats are wrong, the gathering method was flawed, the research is flawed

nope nope nope

he took one look at it and realized it is A FACT!!!!!!!

SO WHAT DID HE DO, he just Totally Rejected ALL THE DATA FINDINGS AND SAID

"you need faith"

folks we can't make this stuff up

for me seeing a baptized jw publicly CONFIRM what we have stated over and over that within the jw CULTURE THEY ARE TAUGHT TO HAVE A COMPLETE AND UTTER DISDAIN towards Higher Educations

well We see the Most Vocal Baptized JW on this forum CONFIRM IT FOR US

THANKS GARETH

JW ARe like shooting fish in a barrel

Still not as good as the inspired scriptures , because God tells us to keep seeking and we will find..and Jehovah says there is hidden treasure in the seeking to find knowledge of him, of life happiness and well being..

Some of the promises ..length of days

discernment..which is part of critical thinking.

health to all their flesh

peace and contentment

LIFE..and life in abundance

Money and the pursuit of money..God says those determined to be rich , pierce themselves over with many pains...but those who seek him, find every good thing.

Open Minded Bible Student wrote:

College/university = higher thinking
Also most proffesers encourage students to challenge everything! Find out the origin... And debate...
:)

is it not funny how it is the OPPOSITE IN WT WORLD

The Watchtower, September 15, 2002 Issue, Pages 16-18:...'Believe all things,' all the things that the Watchtower brings out"

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If we have love for Jehovah and for the organization of his people, we shall not be suspicious, but shall, as the Bible says,'believe all things,' all the things that The Watchtower brings out.
Source: Qualified To Be Ministers, 1967, p.156

little lamb wrote:

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Agree with these scriptures.." Can't serve two masters..God and mammon..'
have to make a choice..one will work you to death , and God Jehovah will bless them that serve him..

these text have NOTHING to do with Going to college

Quick question-

Was it a collegE educated person who TRANSLATED YOUR BIBLE INTO ENGLISH?

YES OR NO?

now the question is simple and the answer is simple, BUT THINK BEFORE YOU ANSWER CAUSE THE RAMIFICATIONS of your answer will say alot about you

think before you answer

little lamb wrote:

those determined to be rich

folks we can't make this stuff up

in this poster twisted and warped mind she actually believes that

folks are going back to college, esp adults in record numbers so they can be RICH

WHILE THE REALITY IS outside of some religious folks warped and twisted application of scripture

most adults are going back either to get a job,keep their present job or get a better job

going to college as most folks understand WILL NOT MAKE YOU RICH
as we wer told over and over in college

today a colllege degree is like a HS diploma was in the 50's and 60'- IT IS BECOMING THE BASELINE MORE AND MORE for some of the most basic employment

even in Sales, many orgs want a college graduates

Car saleman, 2 folks with NO EXP, one has a degree in marketing
both are good talkers, who will be given the EDGE????

jace wrote:

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these text have NOTHING to do with Going to college
Quick question-
Was it a collegE educated person who TRANSLATED YOUR BIBLE INTO ENGLISH?
YES OR NO?
now the question is simple and the answer is simple, BUT THINK BEFORE YOU ANSWER CAUSE THE RAMIFICATIONS of your answer will say alot about you
think before you answer

Jace ..I believe all scripture is inspired of God..thats means my interest is in the one who inspired the word, God.. not the translator..and it means God makes sure I got it...He uses who he likes..

Those he uses are vessels , its him who is in control.

Most education schooling has its basis in men of FAITH, who took vows of poverty and chasteness and gave themselves up to study..

I have just finished watching a program that showed how Monks who left the grind of peasantry of constant work to become men of God, had the TIME to develope their learning skills with Gods help and then branched out into running education schools for the kids of the peasants...

they also were some of the first translators of the sacred writings..being very meticulous in making sure the words were exact as they possibly could , relying on God to help them...it wasn't Kings and Princes that saw we got these scriptures it was men of God with God as their Grand Instructor who were the base-line...and men who had made the decision to give up their lives to God to study his word..

This is the basis of all education in the western world..but it has become corrupted as inroads of evil have infiltrated and now has become nothing but self promotion.

Aneirin wrote:

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Jehovah's Witnesses have faith in the words of Jesus Christ:
*** Matt 6:30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today exists, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, won't he much more clothe you, you of little faith?
*** Matt 6:31 "Therefore do not be anxious, saying,'What will we eat?','What will we drink?' or,'With what will we be clothed?'
*** Matt 6:32 For the Gentiles seek after all these things, for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
*** Matt 6:33 But seek first his Kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things will be given to you as well.
It take true FAITH to trust in the words of Jesus Christ. But it always pays off.

Delusional! Stop looking to the sky for manna and let these Witnesses earn a marketable skill so they at least have a fighting chance to make a decent living. And stop with the scriptures Gareth. You darn well know God does not put clothes on our backs, neither does he put food on our tables or pays our mortgage. If we want any of these things we have to work hard for them! And what we do have in developed nations are safety nets like welfare, food stamps, and countless charities (non sponsored by JWs) and other programs to help it's citizens, including Jehovah's Witnesses who find themselves in dire need. When those fail, people go to support networks like family and friends.

So stop insinuating that Witnesses who go to college to become a teacher or some other profession somehow lack faith. This is a typical jab from a high control group like your sect who plays guilt trips on the rank and file in order to manipulate them. What a shame!

UNchained wrote:

Does today's economy prove the wisdom of listening to the Watchtower Society doctrine regarding higher education?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/16/us/job-loss...
Job Losses Persist for the Less-Educated
By RICHARD PÉREZ-PEÑA
Published: August 15, 2012
After suffering the largest share of job losses in the recession, Americans with no more than a high school education have continued to lose jobs during the sputtering recovery while better-educated people have gained millions of jobs, according to a Georgetown University study.
Document Georgetown University Study on College Education and Employment.Connect With Us on Twitter
Follow @NYTNational for breaking news and headlines.
Over nearly five years of financial turmoil, Americans across a broad spectrum have suffered blows to wages, benefits and savings. But when it comes to employment, the crux of financial survival, the study revealed a tale of sharply different economies, defined by education.
Even during the recession, as millions of jobs vanished, the number of people with bachelor’s degrees who had jobs did not decline........

And here is Unchained not believing Jesus saves at all.

Don't you believe Jesus saves Unchained??

Question you are asking me..but you ..Look at you..?

over on one thread speaking against the command to " abstain from blood' because you don't believe Jesus saves , and by his stripes we are healed

And over on this thread promoting the anxieties of a system to pay out money for what is no bread..because you don't believe Jesus saves..and has taught us to pray " give us this day our daily bread"

You just don't believe Jesus saves at all..

jace wrote:

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folks we can't make this stuff up
in this poster twisted and warped mind she actually believes that
folks are going back to college, esp adults in record numbers so they can be RICH
WHILE THE REALITY IS outside of some religious folks warped and twisted application of scripture
most adults are going back either to get a job,keep their present job or get a better job
going to college as most folks understand WILL NOT MAKE YOU RICH
as we wer told over and over in college
today a colllege degree is like a HS diploma was in the 50's and 60'- IT IS BECOMING THE BASELINE MORE AND MORE for some of the most basic employment
even in Sales, many orgs want a college graduates
Car saleman, 2 folks with NO EXP, one has a degree in marketing
both are good talkers, who will be given the EDGE????

I went to college and grad school for a degree in education and became a teacher. Guess what, I'm not rich. My wife and I both have to work FT to make ends meet for our family of 5.

I wonder if Witnesses understand that there are quite a few degrees one can earn that does not make them rich. My neighbor has a degree in human services and in addition to her career job, she's a waitress. I have friends with lib arts degrees who work in factories. And then there's those poor art majors?! LOL! The list goes on.

jace wrote:

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folks we can't make this stuff up
in this poster twisted and warped mind she actually believes that
folks are going back to college, esp adults in record numbers so they can be RICH
WHILE THE REALITY IS outside of some religious folks warped and twisted application of scripture
most adults are going back either to get a job,keep their present job or get a better job
going to college as most folks understand WILL NOT MAKE YOU RICH
as we wer told over and over in college
today a colllege degree is like a HS diploma was in the 50's and 60'- IT IS BECOMING THE BASELINE MORE AND MORE for some of the most basic employment
even in Sales, many orgs want a college graduates
Car saleman, 2 folks with NO EXP, one has a degree in marketing
both are good talkers, who will be given the EDGE????

Hey Jace..hasn't the others that are your buddies on here , told you yet, that man can't save himself by his own works???

Arkham Bravo wrote:

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Delusional!

So you're going with the argument that putting faith in the words of Jesus Christ is delusional?

Good luck with that.

I wish I had not listened to this organization and gone to college instead. The older I get the more I realize how much more I would have developed as a person. For far too long I lived in ignorance, stuck in this cult. After 12 years away, my mind is free, and I am trying to make up for lost time. But I Am older now and will never get those lost years back

For those still in and comtemplating college, go for it. I was told I would never have time for a career in this system of things. I am 57. I am sure you have been told the same. Think about it. It 's not just about money, it 's about an education. You will develop critical thinking skills. If your religion is the truth, it will stand up to scrutiny. Why do you think the WTBS is so afraid for you to go to college? It is because your eyes will be opened and you will see this organization for what it is - smoke and mirrors. Trust youself to discern the truth, and make an informed decision.

much happier now wrote:

I wish I had not listened to this organization and gone to college instead. The older I get the more I realize how much more I would have developed as a person. For far too long I lived in ignorance, stuck in this cult. After 12 years away, my mind is free, and I am trying to make up for lost time. But I Am older now and will never get those lost years back
For those still in and comtemplating college, go for it. I was told I would never have time for a career in this system of things. I am 57. I am sure you have been told the same. Think about it. It 's not just about money, it 's about an education. You will develop critical thinking skills. If your religion is the truth, it will stand up to scrutiny. Why do you think the WTBS is so afraid for you to go to college? It is because your eyes will be opened and you will see this organization for what it is - smoke and mirrors. Trust youself to discern the truth, and make an informed decision.

Whatever you might have achieved under this system is nothing compared to what you could achieve in the new system with everlasting life.

Faith gives is PERSPECTIVE and the knowledge that we will live FOREVER makes perusing things like college much less urgent.

Far more important is preaching the good news of the kingdom.