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forgodsakes

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When I think of how the Governing Body and the WTS Corp and WTS Writing Dept and WTS Atty has blasphemed agains Christ Sacrafice for all....it seriously makes me sick in the pit of my stomach.......

Jesus gave his LIFE......for a ransom for the whole world and made a new covenant through this scrafice......HIS ONE SACRAFICE...his was enough to bring back mankind to redemtion.

Just for information....those Kings and Priests are the First Fruits, those who were ACTUALLY THERE WITH CHRIST AND FIRST WORKED SIDE BY SIDE WITH HIM....THEY HAVE OFFICIAL RITES.......NOT SOME OLD ELITISTS FARTS WHO ARE FRUADS.....

As as soon as that doctrine changes.......you will be like ass with a ring in it's nose being lead as easily as a feather in the wind......and will believe the new light verson.....you try so convincingly to spin....

Talk about Mentally Deseased!!
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RUSSELL
Russell taught that the Church did not need and
never did need a Mediator. The real Mediator is the church
complete—that is the Head and the Body—whose office will
be undertaken only during the Millennium.
In 1880, Russell "discovered" that "The use of the word
mediator in the Scriptures is restricted to the mediating of
covenants between God and man," and since the church is
not under any mediated covenant then the church has no
mediator at all. The church has helped inaugurate the new
covenant by providing blood, therefore the church is itself
part of the mediatorship. "Bear in mind that our covenant, the
original one (with Abraham) had no mediator." But in the
Millennium "a mediator is neccessary and the Messiah, Head
and members will be that Mediator in whose hands of control
the entire world will be placed during the Millennium." WT
1/1/09, pp. 12,13. The elect become spirit creatures, gods &
mediators.

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Moses was the "mediator" of the Law covenant made between God and the nation of Israel.(Gal. 3:19, 20) Christ, though, is the "mediator of a new covenant" between Jehovah and spiritual Israel, the "Israel of God" that will serve as kings and priests in heaven with Jesus.(Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 12:24; Gal. 6:16) At a time when God was selecting those to be taken into that new covenant, the apostle Paul wrote that Christ was the "one mediator between God and men." (1 Tim. 2:5) Reasonably Paul was here using the word "mediator" in the same way he did the other five times, which occurred before the writing of 1 Timothy 2:5, referring to those then being taken into the new covenant for which Christ is "mediator." So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians.

WT Feb 15 1966 Nov 15 wT 192 pg 685,686 April 1 WT 1973 pg 198,199 Aid bk 1129,1130
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Russell was very confused about the mediatorship of
Christ, and that confusion exists now in a different way, in
that the Society now holds that Christ is not the mediator for
the great crowd, only for the 144,000. Yet, scriptures show
his mediatorship is for a great crowd more numerous than the
sand in the sea, he is the mediator for all mankind.

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Aneirin wrote:
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Typical church goer. Can't spot scripture when he sees it.
Then show me scripture which tells me Jesus does TWO different kinds of mediating?

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Tao itness wrote:
... AS STATED IN THE OPENING POST_THEY CLAIM CHRIST IS ONLY MEDIATING AND SAVIOUR OF THE ANNOINTED!
That is NOT what Jehovah's Witnesses teach. Jesus is only mediating the New Covenant for the anointed but he is savior to all mankind.
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What about the great crowd dressed in white robes and serving day &night in the temple? This can ONLY picture preisthood!
Then explain this:

*** Num 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

ONLY sons of Aaron became priests, but anyone from the tribe of Levi was allowed to serve in the temple.

*** 1 Sam 2:22 Now Eli was very old; and he heard all that his sons did to all Israel, and how that they lay with the women who served at the door of the Tent of Meeting.

Women were NEVER priests!
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****NOTICE HOW AREIRIN CONTINUES TO GNORE WHAT THE WTS SAYS BELOW THAT THE GB ARE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD!

****NOTICE HOW AREIRIN CONTINUES TO IGNORE JesusMyKing REQUEST TO SHOW SCRIPTURES THAT SHOW TWO DIFFERNET KINDS OF MEDIATING!

"The Governing Body consists of a group of anointed Christian men These preside over the worldwide activities of Jehovah's Witnesses. THEY ARE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD and hence are not infallible, but they rely on God's infallible Word as the highest authority on earth." Jehovah's Witnesses - Unitedly Doing God's Will Worldwide p.26

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their WRITINGS ARE NOT INSPIRED as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4

"Jehovah's people confess NO POWERS OF INSPIRATION TODAY" Watchtower 1952 Apr 15 p.253
WHY SHOULD ANYONE BELIEVE WHAT YOU OR THE WTS SAYS IF YOU'RE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD!

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forgodsakes wrote:
****NOTICE HOW AREIRIN CONTINUES TO GNORE WHAT THE WTS SAYS BELOW THAT THE GB ARE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD!
****NOTICE HOW AREIRIN CONTINUES TO IGNORE JesusMyKing REQUEST TO SHOW SCRIPTURES THAT SHOW TWO DIFFERNET KINDS OF MEDIATING!
"The Governing Body consists of a group of anointed Christian men These preside over the worldwide activities of Jehovah's Witnesses. THEY ARE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD and hence are not infallible, but they rely on God's infallible Word as the highest authority on earth." Jehovah's Witnesses - Unitedly Doing God's Will Worldwide p.26
"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their WRITINGS ARE NOT INSPIRED as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4
"Jehovah's people confess NO POWERS OF INSPIRATION TODAY" Watchtower 1952 Apr 15 p.253
WHY SHOULD ANYONE BELIEVE WHAT YOU OR THE WTS SAYS IF YOU'RE NOT INSPIRED OF GOD!
I am always showing people that the Governing Body do not claim to be inspired. Thanks for helping.

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Aneirin wrote:
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I am always showing people that the Governing Body do not claim to be inspired. Thanks for helping.
Watchtower July 15, 1922, from page 217 :
"This chronology is not of man but of God...of divine origin ...absolutely and unqualifiedly correct."
Watchtower Sept. 01, 1922, from page 262 :
"1914 ended the Gentile Times...The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures...by then the great crisis will be reached and probably passed"
Watchtower April 01, 1923, from page 106 :
"1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures...the Christian has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had (so far as the Scriptures reveal) upon which to base his faith in the coming deluge"
Watchtower July 15, 1924, from page 211 :
"The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in the Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914."
Note - now watch the backtracking. Don't forget that the chronology which the Watch Tower had presented was claimed to have been from God. Therefore is the prediction fails, which we know it did, it is not the fault of the Watch Tower but God's fault.
Watchtower Jan. 01, 1925, from page 3 :
"The year 1925 is here. With great expectations Christians have looked forward to this year. many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during the year. This may be accomplished. It may not be."
Note - Back in 1923 the Watch Tower was telling it's follower that they should have more faith in 1925 that Noah had. Now they are backtracking. Note also that the blame is being placed on the followers of the Watch Tower's own teaching. The Watch Tower rarely faces up to it's doctrinal mistakes.We will now see what the Watch Tower tells it's modern day followers about what happened in 1925.
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“Woe to the stupid prophets, who are walking after their own spirit, when there is nothing that they have seen!”
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Aneirin wrote:
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That is NOT what Jehovah's Witnesses teach. Jesus is only mediating the New Covenant for the anointed but he is savior to all mankind.
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Then explain this:
*** Num 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
ONLY sons of Aaron became priests, but anyone from the tribe of Levi was allowed to serve in the temple.
*** 1 Sam 2:22 Now Eli was very old; and he heard all that his sons did to all Israel, and how that they lay with the women who served at the door of the Tent of Meeting.
Women were NEVER priests!
True only Levi was chosen to be Priest to the nation...but the whole nation of Israel was in a covenant arrangement with Jehovah..and he promised the whole nation , that he would conclude a new covenant with them, because they because of inability to keep his Law,and could not obey the Law perfectly...and in his new covenant he promised to " write his Laws in their hearts and minds , and become their God and they his people...

The 144,000 as told to us in revelation is an exact number chosen from the nation of Israel to conquer and stand on Zion with Christ...That still leaves the whole nation of Israel that are in the new covenant, forming the new Jerusalem God is creating, where a child will fulfill his days , and they will build houses and have occupancy..and like a tree will be the days of his people"

New Jerusalem that God is creating for the earth is made up of spiritual Jews, and are in the new covenant

Because nowhere in scripture does God limit his nation to 144,000 ..Zion is the place that has that number...but the Jerusalem God is going to set as a praise on the earth..has no number

And even the great crowd can not serve God in his temple , without being in the new covenant..because its the new covenant Jesus mediates between God and men, that the promise is made of being our God and we his people...and the Law prohibited a person not circumsized to enter the Temple..they had to be a Jew...

In fact he states "Ezek. 44:6 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith Jehovah GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,

Ezek. 44:7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

Ezek. 44:8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves."

According to God, its the uncircumcized that are in his temple that pollute it.
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After Jesus inaugerated the new covenant between God and men in the book of Mark...He made a private covenant with his Disciples, later on in the evening.. to sit on thrones in his Kingdom and judge the twelve tribes of Israel..

That personal covenant was not to judge 'the world' but to judge the twelve tribes of Israel

If as the org wants people to believe, those who are sitting on thrones are the Israel of God alone..then how can they judge the twelve tribes of Israel?

Its a senseless thing..
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correction..its Luke 22 [29] not Mark where Jesus made the personal covenant with his Apostles..
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It's so cunning how the Governing Body and writing comittee spin this false doctrine.

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Jake, u r a kook.
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forgodsakes wrote:
It's so cunning how the Governing Body and writing comittee spin this false doctrine.
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rutherford was a real smart snake........ he figured out that if everyone eats the bread and drinks the wine, independant thinking would cause them to follow the holy spirit, instead of him.
so he invented new light that the number was literal and full.

he wasn't serving god, he was building an empire for himself out of the lamb's sheep...... matt 24;24

i find it interesting that many former members don't realize just how wicked false phrophets are..... a lot of ex-jws think the jw gov body are sweeties who are just a little misled.
jesus called them ravenous wolves, white washed graves, snakes, vipers, murderers of the true prophets.

to put it bluntly, the jw gov body are very wicked men with no morals, all dressed up in suits, and with tons of bible knowledge, just like satan.

the welfare of the little sheep mean nothing at all to them.
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Aneirin wrote:
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Understanding the New Covenant requires a lot of in-depth Bible study. You need to understand the Law Covenant before you can understand the New Covenant that replaced it. That is because the Law Covenant performs the same task that the Law Covenant was intended to perform and the whole Mosaic System was a template for the eventual Christian arrangement:
*** Heb 8:4 Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, seeing there are priests who offer the gifts according to the Law;
*** Heb 8:5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, even as Moses was warned by God when he was about to make the tabernacle, for he said, "See, you shall make everything according to the pattern that was shown to you on the mountain."
Moses negotiated the Law Covenant by receiving the terms and conditions from Jehovah God and taking those terms and conditions to the Israelite people in order to obtain their verbal agreement.
*** Ex 19:3 Moses went up to God, and Jehovah called to him out of the mountain, saying, "This is what you shall tell the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:
*** Ex 19:4 'You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to myself.
*** Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice, and keep my covenant, then you shall be my own possession from among all peoples; for all the earth is mine;
*** Ex 19:6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation.' These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel."
*** Ex 19:7 Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which Jehovah commanded him.
*** Ex 19:8 All the people answered together, and said, "All that Jehovah has spoken we will do." Moses reported the words of the people to Jehovah.
So in his role as "mediator" Moses negotiated a contract between Israel and Jehovah God for Israel to produce a Kingdom of Priests.
Jesus fulfils the same role as "mediator" for the New Covenant that replaced the failed Law Covenant that Moses negotiated.
*** Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood;
*** Rev 1:6 and he made us to be a Kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
So the New Covenant that Jesus mediates succeeds in producing the Kingdom of Priests that the Law Covenant failed to produce.
We can see from this that the role of "mediator" has nothing to do with "salvation". Salvation is based upon forgiveness of sins, which happens through the intervention of a Priest:
*** Num 15:25 The priest shall make atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and they shall be forgiven; for it was an error, and they have brought their offering, an offering made by fire to Jehovah, and their sin offering before Jehovah, for their error:
*** Num 15:26 and all the congregation of the children of Israel shall be forgiven, and the stranger who lives as a foreigner among them...
Now Jesus fulfils the role of High Priest in ADDITION to his role as mediator. And it is through Christ's role of High Priest that we gain salvation through forgiveness of sins.
*** Heb 9:11 But Christ having come as a high priest of the good things to come, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation,
*** Heb 9:12 nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption.
Nothing you posted is saying what you're peddling.

You'll be lying and deceiving yourself, if you say, you read those verses and came to the same understanding even before reading a WTS comic book.

Child, the comic books are saying what you're peddling, not scripture.

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People seem to forget, that Jesus did not exist as the Ransomer, when the Prophets of Old were alive on earth. Yet they were used in many wonderful ways by Jehovah GOD. So it is obvious that Jesus is the Mediator of Modern day Christians. Without him, we could not even approach Jehovah GOD in Prayer...because we are inperfect.

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Nomi wrote:
People seem to forget, that Jesus did not exist as the Ransomer, when the Prophets of Old were alive on earth. Yet they were used in many wonderful ways by Jehovah GOD. So it is obvious that Jesus is the Mediator of Modern day Christians. Without him, we could not even approach Jehovah GOD in Prayer...because we are inperfect.
Nomi, do you pray The Lord's Prayer?

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JesusMyKing wrote:
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Nomi, do you pray The Lord's Prayer?
Jehovah's Witnesses pray from the heart, they do not mindlessly repeat words. The so-called "Lord's Prayer" is an EXAMPLE of how to pray. It teaches us about prayer and about what is most important to God. There is no value in reciting it verbatim - over and over. Prayers should be spoken from the heart.

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Jehovah's Witnesses pray from the heart, they do not mindlessly repeat words. The so-called "Lord's Prayer" is an EXAMPLE of how to pray. It teaches us about prayer and about what is most important to God. There is no value in reciting it verbatim - over and over. Prayers should be spoken from the heart.
Ok, so do you address your prayers to YOUR father?

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