Jesus or the WTS: Who is more important?

Jah Fan wrote:

And you figure that proves Jesus is saying that he is the alpha and omega how? You have to read the whole thing not just pick the ones you like.
By the way you still give no evidence of knowing what the word changeling means. Would you like me to define it for you?

ROTFLMAO! Yeah whatever halfwit!

Prime wrote:

<quoted text>ROTFLMAO! Yeah whatever halfwit!

Noun:
A child believed to have been secretly substituted by fairies for the parents' real child in infancy.
Explain how your usage of the word is compatible with the actual meaning of the word.

Snorkler wrote:

<quoted text>It is wrong to say "Most JWS would say Jesus"' the truth is ÄLL JWS"'would say Jesus ,you just dont want to believe it .

They would say that Jehovah gets the credit.

Duh-boy wrote:

JW's honor Jesus by listening to Him. When we follow Jesus direction in rendering sacred service only to Jehovah we are honoring Jesus by listening to Him.
(Matthew 4:10). . .It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service. . .

And I know most sincere JW believe that. It's something that SOUNDS GOOD on paper, but how it plays out in practical terms, where the RUBBER hits the ROAD - who DO YOU actually FOLLOW, and to WHOM does a JW's "sacred service" actually end up going to?...

You have to hand it to the Society's leaders. They have a century under their belt of being able to convince their followers that WHATEVER teachings or requirements they come up with - IT'S BECAUSE JEHOVAH requires it or wants you to know it. How long the Society has been able to keep this mindset alive and well considering over 100 years of failed predictions, doctrinal flip-flops, doctrinal failure, goes to the power of indoctrination when it comes to high-control groups like JWs.

And that's because within their own environment they never have to entertain even simple critical thinking type questions. For example as to whether JWs are following the Bible or the WTS - when I stood on folk's doorstep and gave the 1914 generation presentation, was THIS what God was wanting me to be telling people??? Was the fact that I placed a lot of lit while in the field activity - part of the "sacred service" a JW renders - more of a benefit to God's interests or to the WTB&TS BOTTOM LINE?? While end-time predictions are a good way of generating ATTENTION, always grab the imaginations of a significant portion of the general population, and therefor can result in significant BOOK SALES - did God actually want His PROPHET to take a false prediction to the world, for over a half century???

When JW bros were going to jail because they weren't ALLOWED to accept even "alternative" or non-combative service, was THIS what God required of them, or were they following the WTS???

When the Society forbade organ transplants, viewing them in the same light as cannibalism, did some JW suffer negative consequences because this view was what GOD required JWs to take???

Same with the Society's view on blood fractions before they were allowed, was THIS what God required JWs to believe???

On ANY of those points, if you asked a JW AT THE TIME...DOES GOD require you to accept this belief, you would've gotten a solid YES from the JW. And it's no different today if you ask a JW if it's God's will that they accept whatever the current teaching on any doctrine is, you will get the same answer. It doesn't matter how many times a doctrine changes, the current JW will view it as FOOD FROM GOD...because this is how it has always been presented and is probably the single most important part of JW indoctrination.

While a JW may be sincere in believing they are "serving Jehovah", what they view as their "sacred service" is actually being rendered to a PRINTING COMPANY, as they are the only ones whose interests are being served.

NorthPeace

Jah Fan wrote:

Kevin,
It says to do it in the same way not in equal amounts.
Jesus considered himself lower then and in submission to Jehovah so I will trust that he knew what he was talking about.

So when you tell your kids you love them all the same, aren't you saying that that you love them all equally?

Who created Jesus?

Duh-boy wrote:

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No, it doesn't actually.

explain it to me then. when did God die and come back to life?
If God created all things, what all other things did Jesus create?

Isaiah 44:24 God created

Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
And He who formed you from the womb:
“I am the Lord, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;

Colossian 1:15-18 Jesus created

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence

chorasta wrote:

Who created Jesus?

In his letter to the Colossians, Paul calls Jesus Christ the “firstborn over all creation”(Col. 1:15). How can Christ be both the eternal Creator of all things and yet Himself be the firstborn?

First, in referring to Christ as the firstborn, Paul has in mind preeminence. This usage is firmly established in the Old Testament. For example, Ephraim is referred to as the Lord’s “firstborn”(Jer. 31:9) even though Manasseh was born first (Gen. 41:51). Likewise, David is appointed the Lord’s “firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth”(Ps. 89:27), despite being the youngest of Jesse’s sons (1 Sam. 16:10&#8208;13). While neither Ephraim nor David was the first one born, they were firstborn in the sense of preeminence or “prime position.”

Furthermore, Paul refers to Jesus as the firstborn over all creation, not the firstborn in creation. As such,“He is before all things and in him all things hold together”(Col. 1: 17). The force of Paul’s language is such that Arians such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses have been forced to insert the word “other”(e.g.,“all other things”) in their New World Translation of the Bible in order to demote Christ to the status of a created being.

Finally, as the panoply of Scripture makes plain, Jesus is the eternal Creator who spoke and the limitless galaxies leapt into existence. In John 1 He is overtly called “God”(v. 1), and in Hebrews 1 He is said to be the One who “laid the foundations of the earth”(v. 10). And in the very last chapter of the Bible, Christ refers to Himself as “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End”(Rev. 22:13). Indeed, the whole of Scripture precludes the possibility that Christ could be anything other than the preexistent sovereign of the universe.2

I asked a simple question. A simple question deserves a simple answer. This thread is not about the trinity doctrine. To all JWs, let me ask you again: BESIDE JEHOVAH, do JWs give more credits to the WTS or Jesus? I believe this a crisis of conscience to answer this question fairly. But please, can you try to answer this question for me?

Jesus is more important then the WT. Sorry that you were unable to comprehend answers that expounded further than simple one word answers. Either that or you are just bothered that you didn't hear the answer you wanted to hear.

Passerby wrote:

I asked a simple question. A simple question deserves a simple answer. This thread is not about the trinity doctrine. To all JWs, let me ask you again: BESIDE JEHOVAH, do JWs give more credits to the WTS or Jesus? I believe this a crisis of conscience to answer this question fairly. But please, can you try to answer this question for me?

Its comes out in their behavior

Many SAY one thing but DO another

They don't believe Jesus is talking to them about being BORN AGAIN..because the watchtower explains its for other

they don't believe Jesus command in remembering him in partaking of the emblems

because the watchtower has told them its not for them

They don't believe Jesus is their mediator of a new covenant..because the watchtower has told them its not for them

they don't believe Jesus when he says he has only ONE FLOCK

Because the watchtower has told them Jesus has a little flock AND THEN THEM.

So when put to the TEST..it shows in their actions who they BELIEVE MORE

And its not JESUS>

little lamb wrote:

<quoted text>
Its comes out in their behavior
Many SAY one thing but DO another
They don't believe Jesus is talking to them about being BORN AGAIN..because the watchtower explains its for other
they don't believe Jesus command in remembering him in partaking of the emblems
because the watchtower has told them its not for them
They don't believe Jesus is their mediator of a new covenant..because the watchtower has told them its not for them
they don't believe Jesus when he says he has only ONE FLOCK
Because the watchtower has told them Jesus has a little flock AND THEN THEM.
So when put to the TEST..it shows in their actions who they BELIEVE MORE
And its not JESUS>

very well said. Amen!

Prime wrote:

<quoted text>Hilraious! You call me thick skulled when you're the idiot that believes the angel fairytale? Cultoid is exactly what gullible changelings like you are!

At least try to be Original you Churchoid .

Hows your Papa the Pope doing ?

Prime wrote:

<quoted text>Hi JW wannabe Deborah Carter Did Jehovah tell you to sockpuppet me and troll the forum posing as me like a good little wannabe JW? It's very clear that rehab didn't do you a bit of good Deb! You really need to lay off the drugs or you'll never be JW!

How does it feel now Coconut ?

Passerby wrote:

I asked a simple question. A simple question deserves a simple answer. This thread is not about the trinity doctrine. To all JWs, let me ask you again: BESIDE JEHOVAH, do JWs give more credits to the WTS or Jesus? I believe this a crisis of conscience to answer this question fairly. But please, can you try to answer this question for me?

Of course Jesus is more important and deserves much more credit that the WT ....The head of the WT is Jesus .

correction.....Than the WT .....