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I AM, I WILL PROVE TO BE, etc, was just a symbolic name God used ONLY ONCE.

NO ONE every has, or is praying to "I AM".

You arguements are trivial pursuit, for he was simply making known he was going to PROVE he existed.

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Mad, you are here only for one reason, that is to argue with SOMEONE, ANYONE. You could not drag me into an argument with you so now you are on Angel trying to get him to argue with you. People who argue with you are wasting time, because you never even consider anything they say to you as truth. You think you know it all and no one could ever teach you something you do not know already. If they tell their beliefs, you automatically downgrade it and attack it because its not what you believe. If we do not listen, and do not learn from each other we are considered as a fool.

Lets see what the bible says about a fool.

Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Ecclesiastes 7:9
Be not quick in your spirit to become angry, for anger lodges in the bosom of fools.

If you wish to continue in this way, never listening to anyone else and taking into consideration their feelings, name calling and being so very rude, then there is nothing anyone can say to you to change you. When someone is trying to help you, maybe it is God saying, "Calm down Mad, they are only showing Christian love".

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I am gone now, have to go to another program at School. This morning was the Spelling Bee with the granddaughter, and this afternoon is the grandson with the Math Quiz. I am so proud of my smart grand children.:)

Be good to one another.

My Jehovah and Jesus smile down on all of us today.

Pray for the Pastor and his lawyer in Iran.

Pray for the lost and those who just do not care.

Pray for my family.

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Mad, you are here only for one reason, that is to argue with SOMEONE, ANYONE. You could not drag me into an argument with you so now you are on Angel trying to get him to argue with you. People who argue with you are wasting time, because you never even consider anything they say to you as truth. You think you know it all and no one could ever teach you something you do not know already. If they tell their beliefs, you automatically downgrade it and attack it because its not what you believe. If we do not listen, and do not learn from each other we are considered as a fool.
Lets see what the bible says about a fool.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Ecclesiastes 7:9
Be not quick in your spirit to become angry, for anger lodges in the bosom of fools.
If you wish to continue in this way, never listening to anyone else and taking into consideration their feelings, name calling and being so very rude, then there is nothing anyone can say to you to change you. When someone is trying to help you, maybe it is God saying, "Calm down Mad, they are only showing Christian love".
It's when you babble these baptist-like judgments that I get aggrivated with you, PhonyKaren.

Arguments are good, when done with the intention to compare facts and teachings to ascertain the truth of a matter- which is why YOU avoid them.

"Angel" has now actually answered a question rather than divert, so I look forward to looking into the scriptures with him. Is he a teen or something for you to be so worried?

Afraid I will corrupt him with scriptures?

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The Real Karen wrote:
Mad, you are here only for one reason, that is to argue with SOMEONE, ANYONE. You could not drag me into an argument with you so now you are on Angel trying to get him to argue with you. People who argue with you are wasting time, because you never even consider anything they say to you as truth. You think you know it all and no one could ever teach you something you do not know already. If they tell their beliefs, you automatically downgrade it and attack it because its not what you believe. If we do not listen, and do not learn from each other we are considered as a fool.
Lets see what the bible says about a fool.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Matthew 5:22
But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says,‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Ecclesiastes 7:9
Be not quick in your spirit to become angry, for anger lodges in the bosom of fools.
If you wish to continue in this way, never listening to anyone else and taking into consideration their feelings, name calling and being so very rude, then there is nothing anyone can say to you to change you. When someone is trying to help you, maybe it is God saying, "Calm down Mad, they are only showing Christian love".
Thank you sister Karen for your concern. I ask that you pray with me. I ask that we come together as one and ask Jesus to give us His serenity, peace, and understanding so that I can speak with the Mad Jw for the honor and glory of God.

You should however, address your concerns about me with me not with no other.

May I ask, what is your faith and belief?

Peace be with you.
Angel.

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Is this true?
Hi angelsilv,

You asked if the quotes from dee lightful were correct. The answer is both yes and no. YOU make up your own mind after reading the information bellow. Getting the CONTEXT puts things in perspective. The first quote had to do with making spiritual progress and being obedient to what God requires of us. Please note the capitalised words. Some evidently felt that to make progress one had to spend a lot of time doing heavy research and that just seemed like to much hard word due to not liking to read.(You know it is true, many people just do not like to read) The article was suggesting a way to get individuals interested in reading


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11 Of course, EFFORT IS NEEDED. There are four things we must do to perfect obedience that will move us ahead:(1) STUDY OF GOD’S WORD; (2) zeal and effort in applying the things learned to our life and ministry; (3) continually seeking and following the lead of Jehovah’s holy spirit; (4) receiving help from other brothers in the organization. There are no shortcuts.

12 How will we put these four things into effect? FIRST, STUDY: We MAY THINK of STUDY AS HARD WORK, as involving HEAVY RESEARCH. But in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society. But you do not study enough? Take this suggestion: OFTEN THE VERY BEST AND MOST BENEFICIAL STUDYING YOU DO IS THAT DONE WHEN YOU READ a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book WITH THE JOY OF getting the new truths and A FRESH VIEW. You remember the points. You talk enthusiastically to others about them. SO TRY THIS: Pick up each Watchtower or Awake! as it comes and read it, JUST FOR THE JOY AND PLEASURE IT GIVES. Remember, you are not sitting down to study, just to enjoy the information. THIS WILL INCREASE YOUR JOY OF READING AND WILL GIVE YOU INCENTIVE FOR MORE DEFINITE, ORGANIZED STUDY. Jehovah wants you to enjoy your study. He does not want it to be drudgery to you. He is the happy God, taking pleasure in providing all this rich spiritual food.—1 Tim. 1:11; Acts 20:35.

The second quote was particularly aimed at those that had not listened to advice given and thought they new better and got themselves into serious trouble. To put the quote in perspective I am copying several paragraphs Paragraph 21 is where the quote came from. Also notice the titles of the 2 articles where the quotes are from “EXPOSING THE DEVIL’S SUBTLE DESIGNS” and “

EXPOSING THE DEVIL’S SUBTLE DESIGNS”

*** w83 1/15 pp. 18- 22 Exposing the Devil’s Subtle Designs ***
8 The Bible points to such subtle designs when it encourages:“Stand firm against the machinations of the Devil.”(Ephesians 6:11) The Greek word here for “machinations” means “crafty acts.”(Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures) That Satan is a master of deception, being extremely crafty and cunning, is also indicated when the Bible says:“Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.”—2 Corinthians 11:14.

9 Consider Satan’s first successful machination. When approaching Eve he did not try to argue that God would approve if she ate the forbidden fruit. Eve knew better than that. So Satan made the fruit seem extremely desirable to Eve. He told her that eating it would really improve her situation, providing her an appealing prospect.“You are bound to be like God,” he said.(Genesis 3:5) Eve yielded to Satan’s enticement. She cultivated wrong desire, which led to her sin.—James 1:14, 15.

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Hi angelsilv,
You asked if the quotes from dee lightful were correct. The answer is both yes and no. YOU make up your own mind after reading the information bellow. Getting the CONTEXT puts things in perspective. The first quote had to do with making spiritual progress and being obedient to what God requires of us. Please note the capitalised words. Some evidently felt that to make progress one had to spend a lot of time doing heavy research and that just seemed like to much hard word due to not liking to read.(You know it is true, many people just do not like to read) The article was suggesting a way to get individuals interested in reading
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11 Of course, EFFORT IS NEEDED. There are four things we must do to perfect obedience that will move us ahead:(1) STUDY OF GOD’S WORD; (2) zeal and effort in applying the things learned to our life and ministry; (3) continually seeking and following the lead of Jehovah’s holy spirit; (4) receiving help from other brothers in the organization. There are no shortcuts.
12 How will we put these four things into effect? FIRST, STUDY: We MAY THINK of STUDY AS HARD WORK, as involving HEAVY RESEARCH. But in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society. But you do not study enough? Take this suggestion: OFTEN THE VERY BEST AND MOST BENEFICIAL STUDYING YOU DO IS THAT DONE WHEN YOU READ a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book WITH THE JOY OF getting the new truths and A FRESH VIEW. You remember the points. You talk enthusiastically to others about them. SO TRY THIS: Pick up each Watchtower or Awake! as it comes and read it, JUST FOR THE JOY AND PLEASURE IT GIVES. Remember, you are not sitting down to study, just to enjoy the information. THIS WILL INCREASE YOUR JOY OF READING AND WILL GIVE YOU INCENTIVE FOR MORE DEFINITE, ORGANIZED STUDY. Jehovah wants you to enjoy your study. He does not want it to be drudgery to you. He is the happy God, taking pleasure in providing all this rich spiritual food.—1 Tim. 1:11; Acts 20:35.
The second quote was particularly aimed at those that had not listened to advice given and thought they new better and got themselves into serious trouble. To put the quote in perspective I am copying several paragraphs Paragraph 21 is where the quote came from. Also notice the titles of the 2 articles where the quotes are from “EXPOSING THE DEVIL’S SUBTLE DESIGNS” and “
EXPOSING THE DEVIL’S SUBTLE DESIGNS”
*** w83 1/15 pp. 18- 22 Exposing the Devil’s Subtle Designs ***
8 The Bible points to such subtle designs when it encourages:“Stand firm against the machinations of the Devil.”(Ephesians 6:11) The Greek word here for “machinations” means “crafty acts.”(Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures) That Satan is a master of deception, being extremely crafty and cunning, is also indicated when the Bible says:“Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light.”—2 Corinthians 11:14.
9 Consider Satan’s first successful machination. When approaching Eve he did not try to argue that God would approve if she ate the forbidden fruit. Eve knew better than that. So Satan made the fruit seem extremely desirable to Eve. He told her that eating it would really improve her situation, providing her an appealing prospect.“You are bound to be like God,” he said.(Genesis 3:5) Eve yielded to Satan’s enticement. She cultivated wrong desire, which led to her sin.—James 1:14, 15.
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qoute #12 is interesting.

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10 Satan continues to use cunning and craftiness, as the apostle Paul wrote:“I am afraid that somehow, as the serpent seduced Eve by its cunning, your minds might be corrupted away from the sincerity and the chastity that are due the Christ.”(2 Corinthians 11:3) If Satan’s advances were not so subtle it is unlikely that so many persons would be battle casualties. He constantly presents tempting diversions, subtly trying to interest us in things that eventually will inhibit our spirituality. His aim is to weaken us so that we gradually leave Jehovah, or so that a frontal attack may succeed in breaking our integrity to God.

17 Do you recall when other angels joined Satan in rebellion against Jehovah? It was shortly before the Flood. The Bible reveals that the attractive daughters of men served as a lure to the angels. SOME OF THESE LEFT THEIR HEAVENLY POSITIONS OF SERVICE TO COME TO EARTH TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THOSE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. What they did was just as wrong as were the homosexual acts committed by the people of Sodom and Gomorrah.(Genesis 6:1, 2; Jude 6, 7) When the Floodwaters fell, the angels shed their materialized bodies and returned to heaven. Although being denied any longer the ability to materialize human bodies to satisfy their unnatural sexual desires, these angels have been very active in corrupting the human family morally. The great increase today in sexual immorality of all kinds is a direct result of their having been cast out of heaven and confined to the vicinity of the earth.—1 Timothy 4:1; Revelation 12:9, 12.

18 THE LURE OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF THE DEVIL’S FOREMOST MEANS OF CORRUPTING Jehovah’s servants. Shortly before God’s people of Israel were to enter the Promised Land, Satan used ATTRACTIVE MOABITE WOMEN AS BAIT TO LURE THE ISRAELITES AWAY FROM JEHOVAH’S SERVICE. Thousands of Israelites were “hooked” into committing fornication, and, as a result, were put to death for their wrongdoing.(Numbers 25:1-3) In connection with that occasion, Christians are warned:“NEITHER LET US PRACTICE FORNICATION, AS SOME OF THEM COMMITTED FORNICATION, ONLY TO FALL, TWENTY-THREE THOUSAND OF THEM IN ONE DAY.”(1 Corinthians 10:7, 8, 11) This subtle design of Satan worked then, and it is working today. More people are disfellowshipped for sexual immorality than for all other reasons combined

20 From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God’s way of doing things. He promoted independent thinking.‘You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,’ Satan told Eve.‘You don’t have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.’(Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan’s subtle design to infect God’s people with this type of thinking.—2 Timothy 3:1, 13.

21 How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization. For example, God’s organization has from time to time given warnings about listening to certain types of immoral and suggestive music, and about frequenting discos and other types of worldly dance halls where such music is played and people are known to engage in immoral conduct.(1 Corinthians 15:33) Yet certain ones have professed to know better. THEY HAVE REBELLED AGAINST SUCH COUNSEL AND HAVE DONE WHAT IS RIGHT IN THEIR OWN EYES. With what result? Very often they have BECOME INVOLVED IN SEXUAL IMMORALITY AND HAVE SUFFERED SEVERE SPIRITUAL HARM. But even if they have not been so affected, are they not reprehensible if others follow their example and suffer bad consequences?—Matthew 18:6.

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Continued from above

The third quote is along the same lines. Get an idea of the context before you get to the quote

*** w83 1/15 pp. 26-27 pars. Armed for the Fight Against Wicked Spirits ***

15 Christians who succumb to Satan’s attack really lose their spiritual vision. Their lack of spiritual sight can be compared to the situation of Elisha’s attendant. Recall how Elisha prayed for him:“O Jehovah, open his eyes, please, that he may see.” And the attendant saw,“and, look! the mountainous region was full of horses and war chariots of fire all around Elisha.”(2 Kings 6:15-17) Do you see who is watching us? Jehovah is, and so are Christ and the angels.(Psalm 11:4; 34:7; Hebrews 1:14; Matthew 18:10) We are on a theatrical stage, as it were.(Compare 1 Corinthians 4:9.) Having this Scriptural viewpoint, how could a person, knowing that his very actions are being watched from above, engage in sexual wrongdoing?

16 Also, if you were to pursue an immoral course, consider the reflection it would have on the Christian congregation. Outsiders may conclude that Jehovah’s Witnesses are not any different from the world, and, as a result, these observers may fail to respond to the life-giving message.(2 Peter 2:2) Think, too, of the grief such an immoral course could cause your family members.(Proverbs 10:1) And, if you are married, ask yourself:“How could I do such a cruel thing to my mate? What kind of person am I?” When we take everything into consideration, is not engaging in sexual immorality a completely selfish, short-sighted, foolish thing?

17 True, it is not always easy to avoid wrongdoing. The apostle Paul himself had a lifelong battle against the wrong desires to which he had once been a slave. He wrote:“I [beat] my body and lead it as a slave, that, after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved somehow.”(1 Corinthians 9:27; Titus 3:3) Paul ‘got tough’ with himself. He would force himself to do what was right, even when his body desired to do wrong. You must do the same if you are to wage a successful fight.

18 In order to be fully armed you also need regularly to pray to God for help.(Ephesians 6:18) Yet you cannot pray for help and then read immoral literature, go to immoral movies or daydream about or flirt with one of the opposite sex. You must work for what you request in prayer!

Fight Against Independent Thinking

19 As we study the Bible we learn that Jehovah has always guided his servants in an organized way. And just as in the first century there was only one true Christian organization, so today Jehovah is using only one organization.(Ephesians 4:4, 5; Matthew 24:45-47) Yet there are some who point out that the organization has had to make adjustments before, and so they argue:“This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe.” This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?

20 Such thinking is an evidence of pride. And the Bible says:“Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling.”(Proverbs 16:18) If we get to thinking that we know better than the organization, we should ask ourselves:“Where did we learn Bible truth in the first place? Would we know the way of the truth if it had not been for guidance from the organization? Really, can we get along without the direction of God’s organization?” No, we cannot!—Compare Acts 15:2, 28, 29; 16:4, 5.

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21 When we consider the mighty spirit forces who are fighting against us, we must acknowledge that on our own we could not possibly win. Yet with God’s backing, and with the help and support of his organization—our worldwide association of brothers—we cannot lose.(Psalm 118:6-12; 1 Peter 5:9) However, we must never forget that we are in a spiritual war, and that wartime is no time to be relaxing, enjoying only leisure and the pleasures of life. Rather, it is the time for vigorous training, alertness and self-sacrifice. The enemy has been able to get some from among us to relax their guard, and these have become battle casualties. May this never happen to us! It will not if we keep on “the complete suit of armor from God” and “stand firm against the [crafty acts] of the Devil.”

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When I read the CONTEXT I get a different idea from the the small pieces that dee lightful quoted

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angelsilv wrote:
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qoute #12 is interesting.
Ben,

Quote #12 reminds me of two things.

The 1st one is that of a cheatsheets.
The witness is being sold the answers for a test. The error in this is that the witness has no personal knowledge of God's Word. How can he/she obtain it if they buy the watchtowers publications. I am sure these publications are not freely given to the witness. According to James 1:5, God will freely give His wisdom to those that ask and do not doubt.
We all know what happens when the test is different then the question & answer cheatsheet. Flunk and fail because the subject matter was not properly studied. These cheatsheets( watchtower publications) then take the place of the original textbooks(bible) all the while, the students praise themselves for studing the original textbook. This type of studying His Word is not pleasing to God.

The second thing this reminds me of is that of satan tempting Eve. Which you so illustriously pointed out.
Think about it. The GB or writers of the watchtower publications waves the publications in front of the witness and says," Surely you can see that you will have no doubts after reading the inspired renditions of those who know more than you. It won't matter where you learned scripture just as long as you can quote scripture. Besides, these publications are just as good if not better than the bible because you can learn scripture faster and be more knowledgable than anyone. Doesn't God want you to learn His word?"

So.Yes. I believe it to be true. After all you do to.

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angelsilv wrote:
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Ben,
Quote #12 reminds me of two things.
The 1st one is that of a cheatsheets.
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" Surely you can see that you will have no doubts after reading the inspired renditions of those who know more than you. It won't matter where you learned scripture just as long as you can quote scripture. Besides, these publications are just as good if not better than the bible because you can learn scripture faster and be more knowledgable than anyone. Doesn't God want you to learn His word?"
So.Yes. I believe it to be true. After all you do to.
Sorry angelsilv, I definitely do not see them saying >>>"these publications are just as good if not better than the bible because you can learn scripture faster and be more knowledgable than anyone."<<< <<<

The point that paragraph 12 was making, as I see it was in the words that I capitalised eg “ FIRST, STUDY: We MAY THINK of STUDY AS HARD WORK, as involving HEAVY RESEARCH” There are a lot of people that just do not like to study. I have a son that could easily have been a straight “A” student IF HE APPLIED himself. He just hated school and study. He just sat in class and listened to his ipod. He never finished high-school. He found an apprenticeship as a carpenter and he did well at the physical work, he just did not do the study that was required. Due to different circumstances he lost that apprenticeship.
W talked him into enrol in some IT courses because he loved fiddling with computers. Again when it came to the study part he did no assignments and of course failed. So there are many people that just do not like to study. The thought is scary.

To encourage such ones to start to study the article said “ it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, TO HELP you who DO NOT HAVE SO MUCH TIME FOR THIS,”…. It was recognised that some have much difficulty in developing a love for study, and there are many who do not have THE TIME OR THE RESOUCES. The WT is printed in at least in 185 languages many of these languages or of peoples that are in very poor situations such as in Africa, Central and South America, many Island nations, and small Asian countries. Most of these people do not have the resources that we are privileged to have in the “Western World”

For those that are in a position to do more study but do not like to study, a suggestion is made THAT MIGHT
GIVE those ones an INCENTIVE FOR MORE DEFINITE, ORGANIZED STUDY. The article said...
“SO TRY THIS: Pick up each Watchtower or Awake! as it comes and read it, JUST FOR THE JOY AND PLEASURE IT GIVES. Remember, you are not sitting down to study, just to enjoy the information. THIS WILL INCREASE YOUR JOY OF READING AND WILL GIVE YOU INCENTIVE FOR MORE DEFINITE, ORGANIZED STUDY.”

It was not discouraging study, but, was an encouragement for those not in a position to study that they can still learn, and for those that did not like to study a suggestion that might help them want to study.

When I went to collage to study, were had text books that covered various aspects of motivation, business theory, ethics, and many more. The various literature that the WTBTS produce are text books basses around the main theme The Bible. Besides those text books we are constantly reminded to read Gods Word Daily. To have some sort of system that best suits the individual but read daily.

You also make the mistake of implying we (JWs) or the GB think that the GB are inspired >>>>" Surely you can see that you will have no doubts after reading the inspired renditions of those who know more than you.<<<< NO JW BELIEVESTHAT ANY MATERIAL coming from the WTS are "inspired renditions"

Obviously JWs and you see different things in the same writings.

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It's when you babble these baptist-like judgments that I get aggrivated with you, PhonyKaren.
Arguments are good, when done with the intention to compare facts and teachings to ascertain the truth of a matter- which is why YOU avoid them.
"Angel" has now actually answered a question rather than divert, so I look forward to looking into the scriptures with him. Is he a teen or something for you to be so worried?
Afraid I will corrupt him with scriptures?
Pathetic Churchoid
I tried discussing scripture with you, but you only wanted to call me a liar and argue, I will not do that. But I will tell you that you need to work on your delivery of things. Calling people silly names as you always do will not show anyone that you really wish to show your Christian love for them that would make you want to help them.
Bible judgements is what you should have said Mad, but you are scared to face the facts that the bible says exactly what I said to you. I do not judge you, that will be done by Jehovah and Jesus, how will you answer when they ask you why you always called people silly names when arguing with them?

As far angel, this person is free to argue with you if they wish, I have no desire to do so. I have only been trying to help you see how you come across to others here and how if you would show some humility maybe you would be accepted a bit more. Why is it that JW's dont show any humility at all?

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Thank you sister Karen for your concern. I ask that you pray with me. I ask that we come together as one and ask Jesus to give us His serenity, peace, and understanding so that I can speak with the Mad Jw for the honor and glory of God.
You should however, address your concerns about me with me not with no other.
May I ask, what is your faith and belief?
Peace be with you.
Angel.
No, you may not ask me what my concerns are with you because I have no concerns with you. My concerns are with someone who thinks just because he carries the name of a Jehovah's Witness, he is always right and never wrong. He needs to understand that he CAN be wrong as all of us can be from time to time. What exactly is wrong with me pointing that out to him?

He says my judgment of him was because of my Baptist faith, when all the scriptures that were judging him came from the BIBLE and not me.

I have serenity and peace, if you cannot see that then I am sorry. I have seen so much anger and hate from this Mad person,and I see that he needs help, if you wish to handle him in one way that is fine, but please do not tell me how I can handle him.

“You REALLY believe that???”

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Bwwahahahahahahahahahahah!
"I have seen so much anger and hate from this Mad person"

The foundation of a churchoid's 'faith' is the Imagination.

“You REALLY believe that???”

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Back 2 Tpoic, Diverters!

NO translation is as accurate as the NWT!
OR- prove me WRONG by giving an EXAMPLE for us to examine together!

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Sorry angelsilv, I definitely do not see them saying >>>"these publications are just as good if not better than the bible because you can learn scripture faster and be more knowledgable than anyone."<<< <<<
The point that paragraph 12 was making, as I see it was in the words that I capitalised eg “ FIRST, STUDY: We MAY THINK of STUDY AS HARD WORK, as involving HEAVY RESEARCH” There are a lot of people that just do not like to study. I have a son that could easily have been a straight “A” student IF HE APPLIED himself. He just hated school and study. He just sat in class and listened to his ipod. He never finished high-school. He found an apprenticeship as a carpenter and he did well at the physical work, he just did not do the study that was required. Due to differentcircumstances he lost that apprenticeship.
W talked him into enrol in some IT courses because he loved fiddling with computers. Again when it came to the study part he did no assignments and of course failed. So there are many people that just do not like to study. The thought is scary.
To encourage such ones to start to study the article said “ it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, TO HELP you who DO NOT HAVE SO MUCH TIME FOR THIS,”…. It was recognised that some have much difficulty in developing a love for study, and there are many who do not have THE TIME OR THE RESOUCES. The WT is printed in at least in 185 languages many of these languages or of peoples that are in very poor situations such as in Africa, Central and South America, many Island nations, and small Asian countries. Most of these people do not have the resources that we are privileged to have in the “Western World”
For those that are in a position to do more study but do not like to study, a suggestion is made THAT MIGHT
GIVE those ones an INCENTIVE FOR MORE DEFINITE, ORGANIZED STUDY. The article said...
“SO TRY THIS: Pick up each Watchtower or Awake! as it comes and read it, JUST FOR THE JOY AND PLEASURE IT GIVES. Remember, you are not sitting down to study, just to enjoy the information. THIS WILL INCREASE YOUR JOY OF READING AND WILL GIVE YOU INCENTIVE FOR MORE DEFINITE, ORGANIZED STUDY.”
It was not discouraging study, but, was an encouragement for those not in a position to study that they can still learn, and for those that did not like to study a suggestion that might help them want to study.
When I went to collage to study, were had text books that covered various aspects of motivation, business theory, ethics, and many more. The various literature that the WTBTS produce are text books basses around the main theme The Bible. Besides those text books we are constantly reminded to read Gods Word Daily. To have some sort of system that best suits the individual but read daily.
You also make the mistake of implying we (JWs) or the GB think that the GB are inspired >>>>" Surely you can see that you will have no doubts after reading the inspired renditions of those who know more than you.<<<< NO JW BELIEVESTHAT ANY MATERIAL coming from the WTS are "inspired renditions"
Obviously JWs and you see different things in the same writings.
Even though you still write the same thing it still
remains the same.

You stated that what was said was true and false and that it was up to me to decide whether it was or not.

I did.

Are you saying that after so many years of study that the jw is not inspired by God to share His Word, that he/she/they do not have the wisdom of God He so freely gives us?

Are you saying that the writings of your doctrine are based only on man's knowledge of God?

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The truth really hurts doesnt it Mad? Even your name denotes that you have anger in you.:)

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Karen, you wouldn't recognize truth if it slapped you in the face...

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May 23, 2012
 
the Mad JW wrote:
Back 2 Tpoic, Diverters!
NO translation is as accurate as the NWT!
OR- prove me WRONG by giving an EXAMPLE for us to examine together!
Is the NWTHS THE(emphasis only) accurate translation of the Holy Scriptures?

If so, then why is didn't, whoever they were, translate, interpret the whole "Holy Scriptures" per betim instead of relying on further translations and interpretations of the nuances of languages from Greek to Hebrew to English or vice versa?

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