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Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#41 Apr 30, 2012
Peter Lasren wrote:
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OK, but how do I know which Gods have a capital "G" and which do not in the Hebrew/Greek?
What is the rule?
"G" = Immortality. Yet the 144000 also are immortal, but are not called "Gods", so the capital G applies ONLY to Jehovah and Christ, Almighty God and Mighty God respectively.

Angels are not indestructible.

(Psalm 86:8) There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah, Neither are there any works like yours.
Simply logic

United States

#42 Apr 30, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
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"G" = Immortality. Yet the 144000 also are immortal, but are not called "Gods", so the capital G applies ONLY to Jehovah and Christ, Almighty God and Mighty God respectively.
Angels are not indestructible.
(Psalm 86:8) There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah, Neither are there any works like yours.
good morning profesor:)
((ima call you a profeser...is that fine??))

Just had a quick question..

Doesnt the bible make mention of many gods??
Like. 1corinthians 8:5-6
Or
Psalms 82:1..

Doesnt this prove ther are many gods? But only one true god exsist and he must be worshiped??

So why is this thread even hear??
Doesnt the bible itself point out many gods???

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

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#43 Apr 30, 2012
The bottom line is the bible appears to contradict itself. In the Hebrew scriptures Almighty God repeatedly states that He is alone, there is no God beside him. Yet the scriptures calls angels gods, and even men gods. Jesus calls the Father the only true God, while other gods such as Jesus, angels, and men can't be false gods because it is God Almighty himself that has given them the authority to be divine beings (gods) in the first place. So to clear up what appears to be a contradiction, the scriptures have to be explained and trinitarians and JW's can't agree with each other regarding the explanations.
Simply logic

United States

#44 Apr 30, 2012
Are you serious??

He said ther are no gods that come close to the almighty..

Never does he say im the only god. Period..
And never does he say.. Dont give the title of "god" to any thing!! And i mean anything..

He simply stated that thers no god thats superior or like him!!

You need a dictionary boii....

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

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#45 Apr 30, 2012
Simply logic wrote:
Are you serious??
He said ther are no gods that come close to the almighty..
Never does he say im the only god. Period..
And never does he say.. Dont give the title of "god" to any thing!! And i mean anything..
He simply stated that thers no god thats superior or like him!!
You need a dictionary boii....
I really think you need to calm down and do some research. God clearly gave Moses the authority to be a god to Pharoah. He clearly mades angels divne beings or gods. Jesus is clearly a Mighty God, giving that authority by the Father. There is no God like Almighty God that comes close to his power, authority, mightiness, wisdom, etc. yet it is an undeniable fact that Almighty God, the only true God, Jehovah of armies, is a God of real gods, not a God of false gods.

(Deuteronomy 10:17). . .For Jehovah YOUR God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. . .
Simply logic

United States

#46 Apr 30, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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I really think you need to calm down and do some research. God clearly gave Moses the authority to be a god to Pharoah. He clearly mades angels divne beings or gods. Jesus is clearly a Mighty God, giving that authority by the Father. There is no God like Almighty God that comes close to his power, authority, mightiness, wisdom, etc. yet it is an undeniable fact that Almighty God, the only true God, Jehovah of armies, is a God of real gods, not a God of false gods.
(Deuteronomy 10:17). . .For Jehovah YOUR God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. . .
i agree....
So wher does the bible contradict itself??

Non of thes gods wre superior or like jehovah god..
Simply logic

United States

#47 Apr 30, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
The bottom line is the bible appears to contradict itself. In the Hebrew scriptures Almighty God repeatedly states that He is alone, there is no God beside him. Yet the scriptures calls angels gods, and even men gods. Jesus calls the Father the only true God, while other gods such as Jesus, angels, and men can't be false gods because it is God Almighty himself that has given them the authority to be divine beings (gods) in the first place. So to clear up what appears to be a contradiction, the scriptures have to be explained and trinitarians and JW's can't agree with each other regarding the explanations.
im soo sorry bro.

I understood your post wrong..

Sorry..

I see what your saying and i totaly agree.....

Its these two groups thant cant aree with eachother because of ther own explenations not because of the bible.:)

“The proof is in the pudding!”

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#48 Apr 30, 2012
Simply logic wrote:
<quoted text>i agree....
So wher does the bible contradict itself??
Non of thes gods wre superior or like jehovah god..
I did not say the bible contradicts itself; I said it appears to. I believe there are no contradictions in the bible. However, you can't help but notice that if a person who lacks faith read the bible, they would see this as a contradiction.

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

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#49 Apr 30, 2012
Simply logic wrote:
<quoted text>im soo sorry bro.
I understood your post wrong..
Sorry..
I see what your saying and i totaly agree.....
Its these two groups thant cant aree with eachother because of ther own explenations not because of the bible.:)
Cool, sometimes I read posts too fast as well.
Simply logic

United States

#50 Apr 30, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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I did not say the bible contradicts itself; I said it appears to. I believe there are no contradictions in the bible. However, you can't help but notice that if a person who lacks faith read the bible, they would see this as a contradiction.
agreed...

They would totaly miss the point..

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#51 May 3, 2012
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Simply logic wrote:
<quoted text>good morning profesor:)

((ima call you a profeser...is that fine??))

Just had a quick question..

Doesnt the bible make mention of many gods??

Like. 1corinthians 8:5-6

Or

Psalms 82:1..

Doesnt this prove ther are many gods? But only one true god exsist and he must be worshiped??

So why is this thread even hear??

Doesnt the bible itself point out many gods???
1/3

I do like the opportunity to teach this truth from the bible, so thanks for the questions, it really makes me happy when someone starts to realize the great truths in the bible are actually for an everlasting life promised purpose for real, this is all true!

So please excuse the fact that I take these opportunities to explain as much as I can from the bible so that others can ALSO believe that they too can get...

(Philippians 2:16)...a tight grip on the word of life.

(1 Timothy 6:12) Fight the fine fight of the faith, get a firm hold on the everlasting life for which you were called and you offered the fine public declaration in front of many witnesses.

So this is real, and the source of real life, is the One who we must worship, for all this world's problems ALL stem from worshipping the wrong things, that is the basis, the root of the problem, and why this is all being explained.

Jehovah Almighty God PROMISES everlasting life to ALL his worshipers, even through this period that even His own Son had to die to conquer. But his death was a perfect sacrificial death, NOT due to sin and false-worship, and that is the key to life, following this lead of Jesus to a reality, finding this truth, then participating in it to draw others to the worship of Jehovah God, the One who saved Christ from even death, and exalted and rewarded his stalwart integrity with everlasting life and great joy of course in proving Satan a liar, the key also to destroying him later; Heb2:14.

WORSHIP IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT! IT IS LIFE when it is connected and directed to Almighty God. ALL the other worship draws will prove futile in the end.

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(Psalm 82:1) 82 God is stationing himself in the assembly of the Divine One; In the middle of the gods he judges;

(Psalm 83:18) That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Yes there are myriads of angels, and they are definitely existing in godlike spirit bodies, with many varied powers and personalities that have to have derived from the source Almighty God as shown in John 1 and Colossians 1 and other places through the "only-begotten god" with the Father Almighty God at John 1:18.

(Colossians 1:18-20). . .He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens.

(John 1:3-10) All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence 4 by means of him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light is shining in the darkness, but the darkness has not overpowered it....9 The true light that gives light to every sort of man was about to come into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him, but the world did not know him.

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Who should we Worship?; The BIG Question, the Main Issue of Life and Death is in that Decision before men and the angels themselves.
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Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#52 May 3, 2012
2/3

The problem we see today in death and confusion, stems from ONE single event and transgression of covenant at the level of the "gods", at heavenly levels of responsibility:

(Ezekiel 28:12-15)“‘“You are sealing up a pattern, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 In Eden, the garden of God, you proved to be.(About the cherub angel, BEFORE he sinned against God; Gen3:14 cursed)

14 You are the ANOINTED cherub (BEFORE he turned Satan) that is covering, and I (Jehovah) have set you. On the holy mountain of God you proved to be. In the midst of fiery stones you walked about.

15 You were faultless in your ways from the day of your being created until unrighteousness was found in you.(Gen3:1-15; 1John3:8)

And the main part of Satan's "unrighteousness" is attempting to draw worship to himself that was NOT in his anointing permission.

(Luke 4:6-8)“I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it HAS BEEN DELIVERED to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7 You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” 8 In reply Jesus said to him:“It is written,‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”

So that sums up the worship issue, people must worship the ACTUAL Creator Jehovah to of course live, Satan is dead in spirit, and all being gathered into that way of "worship" or "work for", that is service to the Devil's will, will also perish in due time, but Jehovah's worshipers last forever:

(1 John 2:17). . .Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#53 May 3, 2012
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Logically Satan is that "world" architect since the sin, and that sin in Eden was worship of Satan and service to his will, rather than obedience to Jehovah's Sovereign authority and His law.

So the issue is who a person, angelic or human, directs his vital life force in servitude. That is why Jehovah's witnesses clearly delineate a knowledge and discipline based FULLY on biblical truth and principles to worship Jehovah ALONE, and to cut out ALL world taint, that Satan designs into his system to draw even worship through sheer misleading, coercion and lack of the knowledge of our true reality.

So the problem is not the existence of other divine beings, but the worship of any other being, even human beings, philosophies, national ideologies, the self, etc rather than Jehovah.

That is also why Jesus Christ is provided as the model of the perfect worship, and worshiper of Jehovah whether in his pre-human god existence as archangelic firstborn Son, or as a born human being, and also now as the "Mighty God" of his exaltation of Heb1; Phil2:5-11; Isa9:6 to the immortality upon which his High Priest position as "life within himself" is based:

(Hebrews 7:15-17) And it is still more abundantly clear that with a similarity to Melchizedek there arises another priest, 16 who has become such, not according to the law of a commandment depending upon the flesh, but according to the power of an indestructible life, 17 for in witness it is said:“You are a priest forever according to the manner of Melchizedek.”

So Jehovah is the God of Christ, the One he gave blood sacrifice to, and the One he worships forever as his life source and God:

(Micah 5:4-5) 4 “And he will certainly stand and do shepherding in the strength of Jehovah, in the superiority of the name of Jehovah his God. And they will certainly keep dwelling, for now he will be great as far as the ends of the earth. 5 And this one must become peace.

(Revelation 22:8-9) Well, I John was the one hearing and seeing these things. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel that had been showing me these things. 9 But he tells me:“Be careful! Do not do that! All I am is a fellow slave of you and of your brothers who are prophets and of those who are observing the words of this scroll. Worship God.”

Since: May 12

United States

#54 May 3, 2012
the Mad JW wrote:
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Silly Stanley- if you EVER do some REAL study, you will not say such dumb, dumb things.
Your arguments is against the Bible - for example:
2 Cor 4:4-In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.- KJV
I'd list more, but you will divert.
..........Yeah he will...and blind the minds...whew...just two words.......god........blind!! !!!!!!!!

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Coventry, UK

#55 May 6, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
Jehovah Almighty God PROMISES everlasting life to ALL his worshipers
Are you sure about that?

"And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”-- Matthew 15:9

It is possible to worship Jehovah in vain.

Since: May 12

United States

#56 May 6, 2012
JunebugJulybug wrote:
<quoted text>..........Yeah he will...and blind the minds...whew...just two words.......god........blind!! !!!!!!!!
.....LOL...LOVE IT.....NOPE NOT STAN...NOT YUNI...NOT PRIME...your all too funny...or Gareth. big ole mystery.

“The Truth Shall Make You Free”

Since: Jan 10

Boston, MA

#57 Jul 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
I really think you need to calm down and do some research. God clearly gave Moses the authority to be a god to Pharoah.
I don't think so.

God clearly says that superstitious Pharaoh will think (wrongly) that Moses is a God.

Please don't make me MAD by making presumptuous wrong claims.

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