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RtWoL wrote:
<quoted text>Did you look the word up in an english dictionary? Porneia (Strong's G4202) is a greek word (and a transliterated one, at that), and therefore will probably not be found in an english dictionary.

An Observer wrote, "
Was Jesus teaching children in those verses? That's one of my points too. "

Whether Jesus was teaching children is irrelevant. As a boy, he would have heard the reading of the Law during his trips with his family to Jerusalem, and he would have been present at the local synagogue during the reading of Law.

As the Son of God, he was aware of his Father's feelings on how information, even that of a sexual nature, was to be disseminated in a religious setting.(Incidentally, if you hold the belief that Jesus was in fact God, then the point remains)
Looked in my online dictionary as well as my book. None.

It is irrelevant because almost all religions view the topic of sex mature nature and do not discuss it in front of children. You had no problems telling me in Leviticus it was taught to everyone. Now do you believe Jesus would talk to little children about anal and oral sex?
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An Observer wrote:
<quoted text>Looked in my online dictionary as well as my book. None.

It is irrelevant because almost all religions view the topic of sex mature nature and do not discuss it in front of children. You had no problems telling me in Leviticus it was taught to everyone. Now do you believe Jesus would talk to little children about anal and oral sex?
correction "it is relevant"
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RtWoL wrote:
<quoted text>Two of the 5 places in the scriptures where Jesus uses "porneia":

Matthew 5:32:
http://qbible.com/greek-new-testament/matthew...

Matthew 19:9
http://qbible.com/greek-new-testament/matthew...

An online (non-JW) definition of Strong's G4202
http://lexiconcordance.com/greek/4202.html

Another online (JW) definition of "fornication" and its root:
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001555...
Word studies find that porneia in Old Testament times had strong associations with harlotry. The term is rooted in a word meaning "to sell" and referred originally to prostitutes and prostitution. Over time it came to mean the one who visits a prostitute ("a whoremonger") and then began to be applied to adultery.

Thus by the time of Christ porneia clearly means more than just adultery. In the words of D.A. Carson "Porneia covers the entire range of such sins [sexual immorality]... and should not be restricted unless the context requires it." The Louw-Nida lexicon defines porneia as "to engage in sexual immorality of any kind." John Groves in A Greek and English Dictionary defines porneia "all kinds of lewdness. 3 Because of this the New International Version translates Matthew 19:9 as "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Naturally some will try to make more of this than scripture allows. Porneia is used in a clearly metaphorical sense in Matthew 5:28. Jesus speaks here of "porneia in the heart" a physical impossibility. Yet some have tried to say that finding a mate with pornography then allows the use of Matthew 19:9 to divorce and subsequently remarry. This is simply wrong. One cannot lift a figurative use of porneia, whatever its meaning and however broad that meaning, and then plug it into a clearly literal context like Matthew 19:9.

That said, it is apparent that in Jesus' day sexual activity with a person one is not married to would meet the definition of porneia. A man and woman who are physically intimate with one another and are having or simulating sexual relations would easily fit the definition and standard use of porneia in Jesus' time. To be physically intimate with someone not your mate, making physical contact with another person in a sexual way, is sinful porneia and defiles marriage ( Hebrews 13:4). It destroys and betrays the trust so necessary for marriage to continue and thus would be a scriptural cause for the exercise of Matthew 19:9.

While the world continually minimizes sin and looks for ever new ways to re-define iniquity so as to make it less severe or important may the people of God exercise care to know exactly what Jesus is condemning in Matthew 19.

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JWForever wrote:
<quoted text>You've never been a JW so you would know nothing of what they say. Remember? We have to keep reminding you that you say you never were a JW, JWFree/Aughra/Jolindenberry/Am y/Jo_Origninals/ALL-HAIL-K/Mix edMedia.
Hey idiot i have to keep reminding you...I was raised in it, continued for many years but did not get baptized. Most of my family are witnesses.

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RedhorseWoman wrote:
<quoted text>Never getting baptized does not mean that she never learned anything about JWs. We have to keep reminding you that baptism is not the sole avenue for becoming familiar with JW teachings and practices.
That's why I didn't get baptized.
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unlisted wrote:
mm-- if you ever need help with being falsely accused of being other people let me know.,.. this is crazy... stalking people off here.. posting real names this is dangerous. are all Jehovah witnesses this dangerous?> not the ones i speak to.. there are many here who would help you.
No they are NOT all like that...

Im still a jw... A little stumbled... But still a jw right now...

Its a fact that there are crazies in all religion unlisted...

How are you btw? Your husband alright?
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Open minded bible student wrote:
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No they are NOT all like that...
Im still a jw... A little stumbled... But still a jw right now...
Its a fact that there are crazies in all religion unlisted...
How are you btw? Your husband alright?
Nobody is stalking anybody.

She enjoys manufacturing this drama.

You don't know the players here. It has been this way for a while.

Nor will it change.
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TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> Nobody is stalking anybody.
She enjoys manufacturing this drama.
You don't know the players here. It has been this way for a while.
Nor will it change.
Ok

I looked at some of these threads in 2007-2008...

I see some (from both sides) posting names...

If unlisted posted her info without being stalked... Can you please point out the thread? I would like to see

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An Observer wrote:
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Word studies find that porneia in Old Testament times had strong associations with harlotry. The term is rooted in a word meaning "to sell" and referred originally to prostitutes and prostitution. Over time it came to mean the one who visits a prostitute ("a whoremonger") and then began to be applied to adultery.
Thus by the time of Christ porneia clearly means more than just adultery. In the words of D.A. Carson "Porneia covers the entire range of such sins [sexual immorality]... and should not be restricted unless the context requires it." The Louw-Nida lexicon defines porneia as "to engage in sexual immorality of any kind." John Groves in A Greek and English Dictionary defines porneia "all kinds of lewdness. 3 Because of this the New International Version translates Matthew 19:9 as "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Naturally some will try to make more of this than scripture allows. Porneia is used in a clearly metaphorical sense in Matthew 5:28. Jesus speaks here of "porneia in the heart" a physical impossibility. Yet some have tried to say that finding a mate with pornography then allows the use of Matthew 19:9 to divorce and subsequently remarry. This is simply wrong. One cannot lift a figurative use of porneia, whatever its meaning and however broad that meaning, and then plug it into a clearly literal context like Matthew 19:9.
That said, it is apparent that in Jesus' day sexual activity with a person one is not married to would meet the definition of porneia. A man and woman who are physically intimate with one another and are having or simulating sexual relations would easily fit the definition and standard use of porneia in Jesus' time. To be physically intimate with someone not your mate, making physical contact with another person in a sexual way, is sinful porneia and defiles marriage ( Hebrews 13:4). It destroys and betrays the trust so necessary for marriage to continue and thus would be a scriptural cause for the exercise of Matthew 19:9.
While the world continually minimizes sin and looks for ever new ways to re-define iniquity so as to make it less severe or important may the people of God exercise care to know exactly what Jesus is condemning in Matthew 19.
Who wrote that? DO you beleive it?

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Open minded bible student wrote:
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Ok
I looked at some of these threads in 2007-2008...
I see some (from both sides) posting names...
If unlisted posted her info without being stalked... Can you please point out the thread? I would like to see
I never saw a post by Unlisted where she posted her and her husband's names. I did, however, see a post where Topsy posted her name, and shortly thereafter, JWF and, I believe, NR started using it.

It has been claimed multiple times that Unlisted was the one to post her name, but I have seen no evidence of that.
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Open minded bible student wrote:
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Ok
I looked at some of these threads in 2007-2008...
I see some (from both sides) posting names...
If unlisted posted her info without being stalked... Can you please point out the thread? I would like to see
I wasn't here then.

I only arrived in or round about January of 10.

I'm sure Topsy or one of the girls will be more than happy to furnish you with that info.

I do know that it is alleged "UL" tried to get Topsy fired and has repeatedly called him a pedophile. She even went on an internet newssitean slandered him.

She is no angel.

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RedhorseWoman wrote:
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I never saw a post by Unlisted where she posted her and her husband's names. I did, however, see a post where Topsy posted her name, and shortly thereafter, JWF and, I believe, NR started using it.
It has been claimed multiple times that Unlisted was the one to post her name, but I have seen no evidence of that.
LOL!! you actually want us to post that post where she names herself and her husband. Some friend you are to Unlisted.
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JWForever wrote:
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LOL!! you actually want us to post that post where she names herself and her husband. Some friend you are to Unlisted.
If you know the post... Then post it...

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TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> I wasn't here then.
I only arrived in or round about January of 10.
I'm sure Topsy or one of the girls will be more than happy to furnish you with that info.
I do know that it is alleged "UL" tried to get Topsy fired and has repeatedly called him a pedophile. She even went on an internet newssitean slandered him.
She is no angel.
I'm sorry TPMP but I have kept that one from you. You'd have too much fun with it if you saw that post.

She was involved with the others who were trying to get him fired. That was proven when it became known that she was sent Topsy's information. That is what got her exposed. I have no sympathy for her at all, but "her husband is innocent in all she does on here".

She and her friends think that they can play innocent and harass, stalk, call people's work, Kingdom Halls and they won't get found out. She, as others, have gotten fooled.

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Open minded bible student wrote:
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Ok
I looked at some of these threads in 2007-2008...
I see some (from both sides) posting names...
If unlisted posted her info without being stalked... Can you please point out the thread? I would like to see
Then you need to ask Unlisted to pull it up.

Unlisted posted her full name and that of her husbands on Topix.

As she is the one who posted it....,

then it is in her ballcourt to post it.

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Open minded bible student wrote:
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If you know the post... Then post it...
Like I said....,ask Unlisted. She should know what she posted, don't you think?
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who="Open minded bible student"]
No they are NOT all like that...
Im still a jw... A little stumbled... But still a jw right now...
Its a fact that there are crazies in all religion unlisted...
How are you btw? Your husband alright?
he is ok not the way he wants but one day at a time. how are you?
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Crystal Chanda Cassadine wrote:
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Like I said....,ask Unlisted. She should know what she posted, don't you think?
Yes I believe your right... Ill ask her...

But... I like to see proof from you guys aswell...

Im a "what if" type person...

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Open minded bible student wrote:
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Yes I believe your right... Ill ask her...
But... I like to see proof from you guys aswell...
Im a "what if" type person...
The proper burden is on JWF and CCC to provide the posts. They are the ones making the claim.

Besides, unlisted doesn't even know how to properly "Reply", i don't know if she would be able to find any of her old posts.

Couple that with the fact that she is an unregistered user, and she could claim that it wasn't her who said it at all.

Aren't anonymous user boards fun!?
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Corinthian wrote:
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GKR~

You act like seperation without the freedom to remarry is no big deal, especially when hinged on a doctrine that was later changed.
Corinthian
Bingo

This jw blew off as if it was Nothing

I am glad you caught that as well as I did

Jw blow off the lives impacted by goofy asinsine unscritptural teaching

Can you imagine if the Pope had come up with this foolishness

Do you really think this jw would be saying

"Well she could separate"

Lol

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