Honesty challenge for Kevin 321: The date of Christ's Death

Greetings Kevin 321!

You seem to speak with some authority and with a good background in Scripture. If you will permit me, I'd like your feedback on the topic of the date of Jesus' death. I think an honest person will follow the logic of my conclusions. If you're open minded, it will be easier to let go of former ideas, of course. I don't know if you've thought much about the details of the date of Christ's death or wondered about any claimed contradictions between John and the Synoptics. But here goes my presentation.

First, we know that Christ's last trial before Pilate was a noon, long before he was impaled. Yet we are told at noon, the sixth hour, Christ it became dark after Christ had already been impaled. So the first question is whether or not you think these two events could happen on the same day? My conclusion is that they could not have, with the trial naturally occurring before the impalement and thus the sixth hour darkness.

So that's the first issue: Would you agree just generally, that the sixth-hour trial must occur a day before the sixth-hour darkness? YES or NO.

Also, we note that the hour of impalement is provided in Scripture as well, which was the "third hour." (Mark 15:25) Without resorting to presumptions of various timeclocks being used within the gospels, where the sixth hour occurs at noon or midnight, the third hour would occur at 9:00 in the day or 9:00 at night. In that case the third-hour impalement would occur between the two noon-time events of the trial and the darkness. Would you say that is a honest assessment? In which case, of course, you have a choice of whether the third-hour impalement was a 9 p.m. or 9 a.m. The first third hour following the trial, of course, would be 9 p.m. which is when I believe is the third-hour of reference since when Simon of Syrene was employed to assist Jesus he was said to be coming from the field and thus a worker harvesting barley at the end of the day. Would you agree with this assessment?

Considering the above, there is no way Jesus could have died on Nisan 14th, the same day he ate passover. Would you agree?

At this point, therefore, using an open mind, what date did Jesus likely die? I use two specific references:

1) He must die on a Thursday, since he rises on the third night after his death which was a Saturday night.

2) The day of his death must be a day of "preparation" before a 'great sabbath" (John 19:14, 31) of passover. That is, a great sabbath or "high sabbath" is a reference to a sabbath holliday other than the regular Saturday. These "high sabbaths" were observed on days such as the day of atonement, etc. In the case of Passover, which was a reference to the full 8-day festival, there were two special "high sabbath" days: the first and seventh days of unfermented cakes, that is, the 15th and the 21st. These two special passover sabbaths were naturally preceded by their respective days of preparation, which is the day preceding a sabbath. In this case, the special "preparation for passover" sabbath days would fall on Nisan 14th and Nisan 20th.

So the question is, in 33 CE, did Nisan 20th fall on a Thursday? The answer is: YES! that being the case, it would be my conclusion that Jesus' trial occurred on Wednesday, Nisan 19th, and this death on Nisan 20th, the day of preparation for the passover sabbath of the 21st. Thus the three nights Jesus was in the tomb would be Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night.

Now considering the above, do you have any comments? Most importantly, are you in a position to be honest enough to agree with me? If not, please explain why. Or if you have further questions, please feel free.

THANK YOU so much. I'm anxious to see how a "thinking person" without preconceived ideas from the WTS might have on this topic.

Forgive me buddy, this is quite an in depth question, it will take me a while. I may research this tonight, and get back to you tomorrow.
Most of my replies during the day are off the hip, and memory of scripture. I have never had an interest in this matter, because I dont see the relevance to salvation or spreading the gospel of Jesus crucified, buried, and risen from the dead for the forgiveness of sins. That has always been my passion and instruction from my Lord and King.

But I will search this tonight, I may agree or disagree with you, but unless it is a salvation issue, I will not press very hard.

Much love brother

One more thing bro,

You seem to be quite knowledgable biblically, try not to get caught up on the small things. You have the mind and heart to reach many people with the Gospel, their salvation is to be our main concern. Use your love and knowledge of scripture to reach as many lost as possible, as this is our call. Most JWs love Jehovah, and have a zeal for God. They have just been misled by men, which we are told WILL happen. Use your gifts to spread the truth, because you obviously are gifted.

Much love

Kevin 321 wrote:

But I will search this tonight, I may agree or disagree with you, but unless it is a salvation issue, I will not press very hard.
Much love brother

Thanks. Very much appreciated. I didn't know if you had given much thought to this topic.

One more thing bro,

You seem to be quite knowledgable biblically, try not to get caught up on the small things.

Aha. You know, I have just the OPPOSITE view. The Scriptures tell us: Luke 16:10 says, "The person faithful in what is LEAST is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much."

I also recount the parable of the "ten virgins"; five wise and five foolish. Now the wise virgins didn't take anything for granted and didn't take chances, so to make sure they had enough oil for their lamps, they brought along extra oil, just in case. The foolish virgins, not concerned with the little details didn't bother. Turns out that "extra" concern, that extra oil made the difference between getting into the banquet or being rejected outside.

Or I think not being concerned with the details, even though we are commanded to "pay more than the usual attention" creates a situation I consider applicable to the witnesses, which is "always taking in knowledge but never coming to an accurate knowledge of the truth."

But, I agree that the salvation issues are the most important. Paying attention to details, though, doesn't mean the issues of salvation are being passed over. I believe in doing both, especially now near the end. Those fully awake are the ones who will be alert to Jehovah's plan for salvation.

I'll look forward to hearing your comment, even though the fact that this is a new topic for you answered one of my questions.

Appreciated.

Just wondering what this answered for you?

"I'll look forward to hearing your comment, even though the fact that this is a new topic for you answered one of my questions."

By me not having a past history with this subject, tip you off to something? I am confused. Help me out buddy???

Kevin 321 wrote:

Just wondering what this answered for you?
"I'll look forward to hearing your comment, even though the fact that this is a new topic for you answered one of my questions."
By me not having a past history with this subject, tip you off to something? I am confused. Help me out buddy???

This merely answered whether or not you had some preconceived opinion or belief on this topic or if, as the case is, you really hadn't payed much attention to this.

I've found many witnesses locked into the mindset that if Jesus is to fulfill being the "passover lamb" then he has to die on Nisan 14th, that is, within 24 hours of eating the passover meal, or 24 hours from the time the lambs are killed "between the two evenings." Specifically, the WTS has the lambs being killed after sundown and Jesus dying within 24 hours before the next sundown and this is such a fixation that any thoughts to the contrary simply are rejected.

But in your case, you are hearing this out for the first time, so you will be more open-minded.

So what you answered was simply whether you were very familiar with this debate topic or not or had previous conclusions; which now I know you don't. That's all.

With obligations at home, this is what I was able to muster. Forgive me if this is not as deep as you would have liked. But to me, Jesus could have been crucified on a Monday, it does not change what and why he did it. The timing was more in line as a sign to the Jews.

I do not carry any authority, I am just "Joe Shmoe", who loves the Lord and is instructed by his King to spread the Gospel of Jesus.

Jesus said many times he(his body) would be in the heart of the earth for three days. The sign of Jonah, destroy this temple and in 3 days. So to me, Jesus' words are the final authority. If he said 3 days, thats where it ends for me.

Matthew 27:62-64
New King James Version (NKJV)

Pilate Sets a Guard
62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying,“Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said,‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people,‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”

Mark 15:42-44
New King James Version (NKJV)

Jesus Buried in Joseph’s Tomb
42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time.

Luke 23:54-56
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54 That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near.

55 And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after, and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. 56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Mark 14:12
New King James Version (NKJV)

Jesus Celebrates the Passover with His Disciples
12 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His disciples said to Him,“Where do You want us to go and prepare, that You may eat the Passover?”

John 19:31-33
New King James Version (NKJV)

Jesus’ Side Is Pierced
31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. 32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first and of the other who was crucified with Him. 33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

Mark, Luke and John all make it clear that Jesus' burial occurred shortly after His death on the day of “preparation”, which was Friday,the day before the Sabbath day,which is Saturday.

Sorry bro, I just can not seem to get focused on this. Can you tell me the significance? Why it matters what day he died and rose? Maybe I am missing something, noone has ever really made this an issue. My experience with JWs is limited, so maybe thats the gap.

Dont take this as an insult that I can not focus on this. Maybe if I understood your passion for it and the significance, I may change my tune.

Much love

Thanks for your feedback.

I wanted to see if I could teach you something directly from the Bible. That is:

1. It is obvious that the darkness that occurred just 3 hours before Jesus' death had to be on a different day than his trial at the sixth hour. When it became dark, Jesus was already impaled. Many event had to take place after Jesus' trial, which likely took an hour or so. Jesus dies at the ninth hour.

Now JWs think somehow, all events happened in just one day. They think that Jesus' trial, his walk to Golgatha, the bargaining for his clothes, his conversation with John, Pilate writing the sign above his head and later being asked to remove it, plus Jesus' impalaement at the "third hour" all took place in time for darkness to occur at noon the same day. They are thinking that Jesus' trial and his impalement occurred within a 3-hour period. That's the only way Jesus could have died the same day he ate passover.

So what it underscores is how people rarely think past what is being presented to them.

Fact is, as the Bible says, "if you're faithful in little, you'll be faithful in much." Bottom line is that when you correctly date Jesus' death on Nisan 20th, then Pentecost occurs 45 days later to fulfill the 1335 days. So that's the greatest significance of getting the date of Jesus' death correct. We can see how he fulfills the Law in every detail.

When Jesus dies on Nisan 20th and rises on Nisan 23 (early Sunday), then Pentecost occurs just 3 days after his ascension rather than 10 days after.

The fact that the WTS is teaching a falsehood underscores they have been abandoned by Jehovah and Christ. The Lord shows his true followers the true light in some things, while hiding it from others.

Thanks, so much, for trying to look into this. It would appear the clear understanding, like "new wine" is only for the "new wineskin" elect, and these details are not significant to the old wineskins who focus on other things primarily.

1 Corinthians 15:1-8

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

This was Paul's main concern. Do you believe you have been given special knowledge from God concerning things, that which are not available to us "old wine skins"?

"Elect" is not a regularly used word outside of JWs, so it's time to spill the beans. What was the new wine skin, old wine skin slap all about?

Hello Kevin,

So far, it appears you have avoided my simple questions regarding details of Christs last days. I'm wondering why?

As far as the "elect" and all that, if you are not one of JWs then much will seem out of context. You might know they feel that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that the last remaining ones are all "anointed" or "elect" from within their organization.

Do I have special knowledge? YES. The "elect" and the "wise virgins" have knowledge beyond what the "foolish virgins" or "old wineskins" have for a period of time. But it is not so special in the sense that there is a blind choosing. The "wise virgins" for instance carried "extra oil" showing their interest in all things, whereas the foolish virgins didn't bother. You don't seem interested in details of gospel regarding Christ's last days so, you would not be one expected to advance to the meatier understanding of spiritual things. Because of no true interest in advancing in spiritual knowledge, when the "new wine" refinements start to be revealed, many are simply not ready for it. As Paul noted as well, he wanted to discuss advanced things but many were still focussing on the "milk" and would choke on the "meat" of spiritual things.

BUT, the "old wineskins" are spared the new wine so that they are preserved--that is, they are not rejected because they are not ready for the new wine.

I'm of the "new wine" elect, so I have the advanced understanding of spiritual things along with others of the elect. You can't answer a simple question about Christ's trial. In what way would you be ready for anything advanced? I'm trying to advance you but you're refusing to advance.

You asked about the "new wine"? The date of Christ's death is part of the new wine, which you don't want to hear about. So you're tying my hands. It's not that I don't want to shrae the new wine.

If you want to advance, you have to have a keen interest in everything in the Bible, not just a few select things that you feel comfortable with.

The "grapes of wrath" are made up 100% of those who expect to get into the kingdom but find out they have been rejected. Their blood rises to the level of the horses bridles, so it is a great number of disappointed Christians who don't make the grade. But this is due to their own error in not paying attention and being alert or allowing themselves to become spiritually sleepy and lazy. Thus they miss out on the one thing they sacrificed their lives for. Unfortunate, but prophesied.

Thanks much for your feedback.

Kevin 321 wrote:

One more thing bro,
You seem to be quite knowledgable biblically, try not to get caught up on the small things. You have the mind and heart to reach many people with the Gospel, their salvation is to be our main concern. Use your love and knowledge of scripture to reach as many lost as possible, as this is our call. Most JWs love Jehovah, and have a zeal for God. They have just been misled by men, which we are told WILL happen. Use your gifts to spread the truth, because you obviously are gifted.
Much love

Brother Kevin & brother JECristianos,

forgive the tresspassing of the a conversation between to two of you.

JECristianos,

This is a good presentation of data that you have given Kevin to answer. However, I believe you forgot some important data as well.
The most important fact that you left out is that a day is an evening followed by a morning according to Genesis 1:3. This definition of a day is verified in Genesis 1:8, Genesis 1:13, Genesis 1:19, Genesis 1:23, Genesis 1:31. The 7th day God rested and made it holy.
The second data that you had forgot to mention concerns the 33 CE. In Jewish tradition, the child is considered to be 2yos when we consider that child to be 1yo. They consider the 9mos of pregnancy to be a year of life. These nine months of life is in line with the Hebrew Calendar. The Common Era Calendar is suggested to start at the birth of Jesus Christ, when in actuality, it should start at the conception of Jesus Christ. Therefore taking into consideration His life and ministery, His death occured in the year 35 CE.

If you want to extrapulate the exact day/date of His death or resurrection, which of date will you use? The Gregarian Calendar, the Common Era, or the Hebrew Calendar date? Speaking of the Hebrew Calendar, will the Jewish usage of the Hebrew calendar be used or the Samaritans usage of the Hebrew Calendar be used? I would imagine the Jewish usage of the Hebrew Calendar must be used.

One must also take into consideration when God made the day last longer in the days of Joshua.

When Kevin said not to sweat the small stuff, in a sense he is correct.

The most important aspect of Jesus' life, ministry, and his commandment to us is that He died for our sins, resurrected from the dead in pyhsical form, and that His body was transformed to its own splendor. A natural splendor that God intended it to have in order to commune with us.

angelsilv wrote:

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Brother Kevin & brother JECristianos,
forgive the tresspassing of the a conversation between to two of you.
JECristianos,
This is a good presentation of data that you have given Kevin to answer. However, I believe you forgot some important data as well.
The most important fact that you left out is that a day is an evening followed by a morning according to Genesis 1:3. This definition of a day is verified in Genesis 1:8, Genesis 1:13, Genesis 1:19, Genesis 1:23, Genesis 1:31. The 7th day God rested and made it holy.
The second data that you had forgot to mention concerns the 33 CE. In Jewish tradition, the child is considered to be 2yos when we consider that child to be 1yo. They consider the 9mos of pregnancy to be a year of life. These nine months of life is in line with the Hebrew Calendar. The Common Era Calendar is suggested to start at the birth of Jesus Christ, when in actuality, it should start at the conception of Jesus Christ. Therefore taking into consideration His life and ministery, His death occured in the year 35 CE.
If you want to extrapulate the exact day/date of His death or resurrection, which of date will you use? The Gregarian Calendar, the Common Era, or the Hebrew Calendar date? Speaking of the Hebrew Calendar, will the Jewish usage of the Hebrew calendar be used or the Samaritans usage of the Hebrew Calendar be used? I would imagine the Jewish usage of the Hebrew Calendar must be used.
One must also take into consideration when God made the day last longer in the days of Joshua.
When Kevin said not to sweat the small stuff, in a sense he is correct.
The most important aspect of Jesus' life, ministry, and his commandment to us is that He died for our sins, resurrected from the dead in pyhsical form, and that His body was transformed to its own splendor. A natural splendor that God intended it to have in order to commune with us.

I agree with everything you directed at me. Ty

Kevin 321 wrote:

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I agree with everything you directed at me. Ty

You're welcomed my brother Kevin.

All too often, man will come along and try to bind us into giving an absolute date. This line of thinking can cause one to be ensnared in the deceit and lies of the deceiver and twister of the Holy Scriptures. One must always be aware and alert to such trappings.
This trap reminds me of the trap where the question(s) was asked of where was the body of Moses buried and who buried him. Deutoronomy 34:6 states that the Lord buried Moses in Moab and that no one but the Lord knows where moses is buried. For those that want to contend that satan knew where the body was because he and Michael contended of Moses' body. This is true. They did contend over his body. The question would be when. At his time of death, after preparation of his body before burial, shortly after burial, a week after burial, a month, a year, years after? No person knows for sure. We just know that it hapoened.

JECristianos wrote:

Hello Kevin,
So far, it appears you have avoided my simple questions regarding details of Christs last days. I'm wondering why?
As far as the "elect" and all that, if you are not one of JWs then much will seem out of context. You might know they feel that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that the last remaining ones are all "anointed" or "elect" from within their organization.
Do I have special knowledge? YES. The "elect" and the "wise virgins" have knowledge beyond what the "foolish virgins" or "old wineskins" have for a period of time. But it is not so special in the sense that there is a blind choosing. The "wise virgins" for instance carried "extra oil" showing their interest in all things, whereas the foolish virgins didn't bother. You don't seem interested in details of gospel regarding Christ's last days so, you would not be one expected to advance to the meatier understanding of spiritual things. Because of no true interest in advancing in spiritual knowledge, when the "new wine" refinements start to be revealed, many are simply not ready for it. As Paul noted as well, he wanted to discuss advanced things but many were still focussing on the "milk" and would choke on the "meat" of spiritual things.
BUT, the "old wineskins" are spared the new wine so that they are preserved--that is, they are not rejected because they are not ready for the new wine.
I'm of the "new wine" elect, so I have the advanced understanding of spiritual things along with others of the elect. You can't answer a simple question about Christ's trial. In what way would you be ready for anything advanced? I'm trying to advance you but you're refusing to advance.
You asked about the "new wine"? The date of Christ's death is part of the new wine, which you don't want to hear about. So you're tying my hands. It's not that I don't want to shrae the new wine.
If you want to advance, you have to have a keen interest in everything in the Bible, not just a few select things that you feel comfortable with.
The "grapes of wrath" are made up 100% of those who expect to get into the kingdom but find out they have been rejected. Their blood rises to the level of the horses bridles, so it is a great number of disappointed Christians who don't make the grade. But this is due to their own error in not paying attention and being alert or allowing themselves to become spiritually sleepy and lazy. Thus they miss out on the one thing they sacrificed their lives for. Unfortunate, but prophesied.
Thanks much for your feedback.

Ephesians 4:4-6
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[a] all.

"Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty days." (Daniel 12:12)

But at this point, all chronology is not predicting future dates, but seeing the fulfillment and coordination of the various chronology prophecies and prophesied events, such as the Holocaust occurring during the 7-week period following 62 weeks into the final 70 weeks which are from 1506-1996. This thus grows are faith that God's word is true and accurate.

The five "wise virgins" with the extra oil are into chronology anhd prophecy, so they get into the kingdom on time. The five "foolish virgins" disdain chronology and put it on the back burner so they miss out--Christ arrives as a surprise to them and at a time when it is too late for them to get into the kingdom.

Chronology and prophecy are part of what the Bible provides for our salvation. If we disdain it, ignore it and discourage others from developing understanding then we can't expect Christ to be happy when he arrives and will cost you a seat in the kingdom.

JECristianos wrote:

"Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty days." (Daniel 12:12)
But at this point, all chronology is not predicting future dates, but seeing the fulfillment and coordination of the various chronology prophecies and prophesied events, such as the Holocaust occurring during the 7-week period following 62 weeks into the final 70 weeks which are from 1506-1996. This thus grows are faith that God's word is true and accurate.
The five "wise virgins" with the extra oil are into chronology anhd prophecy, so they get into the kingdom on time. The five "foolish virgins" disdain chronology and put it on the back burner so they miss out--Christ arrives as a surprise to them and at a time when it is too late for them to get into the kingdom.
Chronology and prophecy are part of what the Bible provides for our salvation. If we disdain it, ignore it and discourage others from developing understanding then we can't expect Christ to be happy when he arrives and will cost you a seat in the kingdom.

The foundation of of our salvation is knowing that if we openly confess with our mouths and believe in faith that Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day in His physical body and we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We must in our daily lives, should be diligent in living a christain life as best as we can according to what the bible teaches us how. For if we are not, we will be like those virgins who did not have enough oil.

angelsilv wrote:

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The foundation of of our salvation is knowing that if we openly confess with our mouths and believe in faith that Jesus died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day in His physical body and we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We must in our daily lives, should be diligent in living a christain life as best as we can according to what the bible teaches us how. For if we are not, we will be like those virgins who did not have enough oil.

Angel, we are told at Daniel 12:12 to keep in expectation of the 1335 days. Are you doing that? Do you discourage others from doing that? Any response? Thanks.

JECristianos wrote:

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Angel, we are told at Daniel 12:12 to keep in expectation of the 1335 days. Are you doing that? Do you discourage others from doing that? Any response? Thanks.

You quoted my testimony of salvation. You have my answer. If you want wisdom of salvation I will impart it with you.

Daniel had a vision of the end of time. John also had the same vision except with more details. The vision of the end time did and is going to happen. When is the exact date? We don't know. Aree we living in the end of times? The signs indict that we are. How far into it? I don't know. The 1,335 days is symbolic. Just like most of the vision. Can we actually define a day? Yes, but only through our understanding of the concept of time. For God, a day is like a 1000 years and a 1000 years is like a day.
We are to wait for the end of time because for those that are prepared, just like the virgins, are the ones that shall not go through those days. God gives one last chance for those who are living who believed but were not yet ready. In Revelation, it states that those that died for not receiving the mark of the beast come back to life and ruled with christ for 1000 years.(Rev. 20:1-10). The hard part of living through this time is that one will be on his/her own. Sickness, starvation, and a one world government will exist. Also the promise of salvation by the sealing of God's name on the will be used against believers who "stayed behind" or those that now believe that the bible was the true Word of God. these believers will be deceived into believing they are receiving the Seal of God instead they will actually get the get the mark of the beast.

Do I encourage others to be prepared to live through those days of the end time?
The answer is no.

Am I discouraging you to live through the symbolic 1335 days?

That would be up to you to decide.

I have noticed that you did not addres my original post concerning the day/date.

How exactly did you extrapulated the day/date?

Did you take into consideration of the jewish people believing that the 9 months pregnacy is a year of life?

What exactly are the Gregorian Calendar dates of the 1,290 days and the 1,335 days?

angelsilv wrote:

I have noticed that you did not addres my original post concerning the day/date.
How exactly did you extrapulated the day/date?

Do you mean the date of the 2nd coming? Based on the "1335 days" prophecy, where the "end", that is, the end of the gentile times begins on November 30, 1947, ending 1290 days, the Christ would appear within the year of November 30, 1992-November 30, 1993. That's one specific reference. The next critical reference is that Christ ends "gift and sacrifice" at the 2nd coming by ending the Lord's Supper at passover. The Lord's Supper was to be an annual event to memoralize Christ's absence, but when he returned, he'd eat that last passover and end the ritual of the Last Supper, which was a form of "gift and sacrifice." Based upon that interpretation, Christ would arrive within a year of the mid-week passover of April 6, 1993. So based on those two prophecies, we can pinpoint the second coming to within 4 months and 6 days beginning November 30 and ending April 6.

But this a past date. The elect ("eagles"--Matthew 24:28; Rev. 12:14) who make up the "two witnesses" who were chosen to participate and observe the secretive second coming saw the sign it was accomplished in the afternoon of December 26, 1992; thus the 2nd coming did occur sometime between midnight of December 25 and noon of Dcember 26th. So that's a date determined by the actual event.

Did you take into consideration of the jewish people believing that the 9 months pregnacy is a year of life?

I did. But I've never heard of this before. Do you have an example or a specific reference that this is the case? Thanks.

What exactly are the Gregorian Calendar dates of the 1,290 days and the 1,335 days?

The different calendars would not affect the specific date. That is, the event is a specific date in time. Various calendars would simply reflect whatever date that was. That is, a specific lunar calendar date has a specific reference in various calendars that would not affect that date. As far as the calendar used for calculation, the calculation is based on 3.5 years being 1260 days, which using the "day for a year" (Ezk 4:6) formula would be 1260 years. But when applied, the years become normal lunar-solar years. This is based on the Jews using a luni-solar calendar. Thus 1260 days would be 1260 normal solar calendar years. Of course, that's just the interpretation I have chosen.

I hear you about the focus on salvation and it is true that while many chosen "sons of the kingdom" will be rejected as grapes of wrath for various reasons, many chosen from "western parts" and "eastern parts" will come into the kingdom who are not even Christian and know nothing about their sealing until the millennium begins. So indeed, "knowledge" does have a place but will fade to the more critical focus of love, charity, etc. of which you speak. So in reality, some will be able to handle the "new wine" and some won't. If you reject the "new wine" knowledge then that may only mean who are not chosen to understand it and are part of the "old wineskins" class. For a while, the new wine and old wineskin groups are on separate pages but when the millennium begins, all will be on the same page. So by all means, continue your faith and good works as the spirit directs you--it will not affect the new wineskin group.