To all JWs seriously, who is Abbadon?

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Claude Kenneson wrote:

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You are being disingenuous. The real teachings of JW's included not only those that referred to the possibility of the end in 1975, but those that also referred to it as a PROBABILITY.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower1975.php
The rank and file cannot be blamed for the conclusions that were reached. 1975 was dreamed up by the Watchtower Society along with other past dates. It was a dud as were the others.

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Tao itness wrote:

<quoted text> You obviously were not there! They were careful what they put in print,but sent emisaries from Brooklyn that would plainly state things like we only have a few years left untill the end. There are some recordings out there people have saved and you can find them on line. The fervor they started was intense and as shepherds they no where near laid it on the line or were straightforward. In fact they stirred the pot constantly. Alot of us were there and know the truth-you obviously were not there or just another lying JW defender.

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Aneirin wrote:

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1975 was NEVER a "prophecy" as has been amply proved by the documentary evidence.

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Not-A-Goat wrote:

Oh, and that doesn't change the other false prophecies that have been spewed by the Watchtower Society, such as the 1874 false prophecy, the 1878 false prophecy, the 1914 false prophecy, and the 1925 false prophecy.
And we haven't even gotten into the flat out lies such as the one about 1918/1919.

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Aneirin wrote:

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What Karen doesn't want you to know... the REAL teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses about 1975:
*** w66 10/15 p. 631 Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast ***
Does it mean that God’s rest day began 4026 B.C.E.? It could have. The Life Everlasting book does not say it did not. The book merely presents the chronology. You can accept it or reject it
*** w67 5/1 p. 262 Where Are We According to God’s Timetable?***
Interestingly, the autumn of the year 1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. This is ascertainable from reliable chronology preserved in the Bible itself. What will that year mean for humankind? Will it be the time when God executes the wicked and starts off the thousand-year reign of his Son Jesus Christ? It very well could, but we will have to wait to see.
*** w68 5/1 pp. 272-273 par. 8 Making Wise Use of the Remaining Time ***
Does this mean that the year 1975 will bring the battle of Armageddon? No one can say with certainty what any particular year will bring. Jesus said:“Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows.”(Mark 13:32) Sufficient is it for God’s servants to know for a certainty that, for this system under Satan, time is running out rapidly.
*** w73 10/1 p. 583 God Takes Action at the Appointed Time ***
However, Jesus also said that no one but God knew the “day and hour” for the “great tribulation” to occur. We can be sure that Jehovah will act—but not until the proper development of all details and the arrival of his exact appointed hour. That is why he has not ended this “system of things” before now.
*** w74 6/15 pp. 378-379 par. 18 Serve with Eternity in View ***
And it is the same today among true Christians who realize from the fulfillment of Bible prophecy that the end of this entire wicked system of things is near at hand. True, the most accurate Bible chronology available indicates that 6,000 years of human existence will end in the mid-1970’s. So these Christians are intensely interested to see if that will coincide with the outbreak of the “great tribulation” of our day that will eliminate all wicked ones on earth. It could. But they are not even attempting to predict exactly when the destruction of Satan’s wicked system of things will occur. They are content to wait and see, realizing that no human on earth knows the date.—Matt. 24:36.

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Aneirin wrote:

*** w75 1/1 pp. 9-10 Will You Live to See Christ’s “Coming”?***
But nobody should get the idea that, simply by chronology, he can calculate the time of that “coming” of Christ for executing judgment. Christ himself told his apostles:“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.”—Matt. 24:36.
Now, we know that Jesus Christ had been in heaven with his Father at the time of earth’s creation.(John 1:1-3; Col. 1:13-17) He knew the exact time of the creation of both Adam and Eve.(Gen. 1:26, 27) He knew precisely when 6,000 years of human history would be completed. He knew exactly when God’s seventh creative day, his great “rest” day began and when it would end.(Gen. 2:1-3) Yet, with all his perfect knowledge of chronology, when he was on earth he did not know the day and hour of his execution of judgment on this world, prior to when his thousand-year reign begins.(Rev. 20:4-6) How, then, could any human today possibly figure it out?

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The Real Karen wrote:

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Then please explain to me this, if Jesus said NO one knows the day or hour, why does your religion keep trying to put a date on it?

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Aneirin wrote:

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LOL.
So when did Ezekiel ever say "Jehovah will PROBABLY make his name known?"
Sure! The word PROBABLY in on the lips of every highly esteemed Bible prophet!!!
Apostle John: "And a beast with seven heads will PROBABLY rise out of the sea!!"
Too funny ;o)

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Aneirin wrote:

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Jesus was talking about Armageddon and I have just proved that they don't keep trying to put a date on Armageddon.
And FOR THE RECORD 1975 was never the date for Armageddon, it was the date for 6000 years since the creation of Adam. Armageddon was SPECULATED as a POSSIBILITY.
Definitely NOT a 'prophecy'.

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Aneirin wrote:

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Jesus was talking about Armageddon and I have just proved that they don't keep trying to put a date on Armageddon.
And FOR THE RECORD 1975 was never the date for Armageddon, it was the date for 6000 years since the creation of Adam. Armageddon was SPECULATED as a POSSIBILITY.
Definitely NOT a 'prophecy'.

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Aneirin wrote:

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Does this sound like a 'prophecy'?
*** WT, January 1, 1908 (reprint) page 4110 ***
With regard to 1914: "We are not prophesying; we are merely giving our surmises ... We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you, leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them"
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Nope!!!

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Aneirin wrote:

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Jesus was talking about Armageddon and I have just proved that they don't keep trying to put a date on Armageddon.
And FOR THE RECORD 1975 was never the date for Armageddon, it was the date for 6000 years since the creation of Adam. Armageddon was SPECULATED as a POSSIBILITY.
Definitely NOT a 'prophecy'.

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Not-A-Goat wrote:

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Yep, because (as usual) you only tell half the story (although sometimes you don't even tell half of it).
You see, article after article has been posted showing the Watchtower Society talking out of both sides of their mouths. Calling themselves prophets one day, saying they're not prophets another day. Claiming inspiration for their literature one day, then the next claiming it isn't.
We've been down this road a thousand times. The bible tells us how to identify false prophets and the Watchtower Society fits the definition with exact precision.
Where in the bible does it tell us how to distinguish between prophets and "prophets"?
Where in the bible does it tell us how to identify "true uninspired prophets"?

Aneirin wrote:

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Jesus was talking about Armageddon and I have just proved that they don't keep trying to put a date on Armageddon.
And FOR THE RECORD 1975 was never the date for Armageddon, it was the date for 6000 years since the creation of Adam. Armageddon was SPECULATED as a POSSIBILITY.
Definitely NOT a 'prophecy'.