how muslims debate

Whenever you criticize anything related to Islam, Allah, Muhammad, Sharia laws or muslim community, you will find a refutation immediately. To refute something is OK but the way muslims refute is funny. Here are some most common ways of a muslim-refute, the order may change depending upon your and muslim’s caliber:

1. First of all, muslims will say,”you are ignorant, you are a hypocrite, this is false information, this is a lie”, and, when it comes to Islamic terrorism:“get over it…”
Whatever you say is wrong and whatever they say is only right.

2. Next step is Taqqiya. i.e.“Islam means peace”,“Islam was not spread by sword but love”,“No compulsion in religion”,

3. If you quote from Koran or hadith, you will be accused of quoting verses in bits and pieces, or they claim ”suicide bombing is not allowed in Islam, there is nothing in the Koran…blah blah” or “FGM is un-Islamic” when it is in fact the Muslims who insist on such barbaric practices because of a vague hadith.

4. Be prepared for accusation that the verses you quoted are “twisted and out of context.”(an infidel cannot possibly understand Islam, but all’s well if you, no matter how foolish or ignorant, accept Islam…)

5. If you provide reference to your quote, then muslims will say “All your references are false and lies”, which implies only their references are true and correct.

6. You will be advised to “Read the koran first and you will see the light”

7. If you say you have already read it then they will doubt you as if you are a liar.

8. If you quote full verses (not bits & pieces) from koran and hadith, your translation is incorrect / misleading. Then you will be advised to learn Arabic and read the the original version.

9. If you say, I read the same Koran with most authentic translations, which muslims are referring to, then you will be asked “Did you read only the cover?”,“Read it with open mind”

(Read with closed mind, like a muslim reads by keeping their brains aside)

10. Besides your reading of the translated Koran or even though you know Arabic, if you quote from the Koran, they quote hadith, tafseer etc, but if you quote hadith, then they will say “Only Koran is authentic”.

11. Deflection: After all this, if you are still willing to continue, they will distract you and other readers from the original issue/topic and feed you with plenty of irrelevant issues.

12. If you are still sticking to the original issue, Muslims will attack other religions’ scriptures like the Bible, Torah, Vedas, Geeta etc and bring up events like global warming, world poverty, the KKK or ‘Tim McVeigh”, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine etc.

13. Be prepared for one or more muslims to showing their way of convincing, such as Copy & paste stuff or reference from crap Islamic sites. This includes verses from Koran & hadith, twisted facts from non islamic holy scriptures (like mohammads coming) prophesized in all of them or that the Jews (or Christians) have falsified their scriptures to deny Muhammad his rightful place as “the last prophet.”

14. In this context, one or more muslims will write about Miracles in the Koran or ‘koranic science’. Remember that whatever is discovered in recent time, Muslims will attribute it to Koran, but they will keep quite till it is discovered. They will never talk about the fallacies in the Koran like the “Sky is a dome on imaginary pillars”,“ the Sun sets in a muddy pond”,“the sun is revolving around the earth” etc. If you draw their attention to these fallacies, they will copy and paste crap again which is totally illogical and irrational. You will be again advised to read Koran.

15. You are about to loose your patience but still continuing, then comes personal attacks. You will be abused as fool, stupid, idiot, pig, dog etc.(in my case a Zionist, a label I wear with pride…)

16. If that does not work, then there will be accusations of taking money for your criticism of islam. You may get this also “Western media is biased, its propaganda to defame islam, Islam is wronged by all non muslims” etc.

17. If you don’t stop there, then muslims will run for your mother and sister.

18. If you are stubborn and still want to continue, you will be cursed like “Burn in hell, you will repent on judgement day, still time to seek the truth” etc

19. Towards the end, when all of the above has failed, you will be threatened directly like,“beware, watch it, keep cool, my sincere advice” or indirectly like “Give me your email id, don’t hide behind a false name, you are a coward (since you have a false id on the net), Then you might get an invitation to go to debate one to one or visit mosques or Islamic centers like Islamic Research Foundation in person” etc.

20. And finally- its drum beating, for all Muslioms, as if they won a debate, even when they lose miserably, because Koran is the word of allah.

Debating Mohammedan Taqiyya Doctors

Hugh Fitzgerald wrote this quite a while ago, I have taken liberty to edit it slightly for length and this blog entry:

Infuriating, is it not, to attempt to have a rational debate and to find yourself instead with an opponent who slithers about like an eel, and with whom you can never quite engage, because you can never quite grasp and hold him long enough, because he is forever slipping and sliding and meanwhile keeping of a non-stop patter of distraction and attack and omission and exaggeration. The very idea of a debate is or should be related to the idea that each party attempts, in good faith, to examine a topic together, and to ask, or answer, questions of or from the other.

Muslims don’t do that. They don’t ‘play nice’- because they are religiously obliged to defend the indefensible, and you will be frustrated out of your wits about the detractions, the lies and prevarications that will be thrown your way.

Unless the moderator-hosts for such things set up strict rules, and demand that questions be answered and not remain un-answered or answered with irrelevancies, the farce will continue. And all that will have been learned is something about the eerily eel-like quality of the other side, with all that slipping and slithering –perhaps not quite as effectively as Tariq Ramadan — as far away from the real and serious matter at hand, as is possible.

Turnspeak, lies, deflection and taqiyya:

When trying to debate with Muhammed worshipers you will end up frustrated and exasperated: Muhammedans are masters of a technique called ‘turnspeak’- they use Tu Quoque (’you do it too-arguments)‘accuse the accuser’- they employ kitman & taqiyya (lies & deception and dissimulation) they deflect away from the subject matter to avoid getting nailed on the unpleasant things like the atrocities, the rape, the plunder, slavery and child-molesting of the ‘profit’ Mohammed and his companions. Inevitably, if you know your stuff-, you will be cursed, they will threaten to kill you and tell you that you will go to hell for questioning their belief-system.

www . meforum . org / 2095 / islams - doctrines - of - deception

Just get rid of the spaces when you copy and paste, and this link will work fine.

Quranic exegeses, is essentially a standard reference in the entire Muslim world. Regarding 3:28, he wrote: "If you [Muslims] are under their [infidels'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harbouring inner animosity for them... Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers – except when infidels are above them [in authority]. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them."

he quotes Muhammad's companions. Abu Darda said: "Let us smile to the face of some people while our hearts curse them." Al-Hassan said: "Doing taqiyya is acceptable till the day of judgment [in perpetuity]."

prominent ulema, such as al- Qurtubi , al-Razi, and al-Arabi have extended taqiyya to cover deeds. Muslims can behave like infidels – from bowing down and worshipping idols and crosses to even exposing fellow Muslims' "weak spots" to the infidel enemy...

Yeah, I've seen all this stuff. This is a pretty good analysis of their cowardice and how it affects their debating style. I agree with you...it's because they secretly, subconsciously KNOW they are trying to defend the indefensible. I just keep pounding them with the questions they're evading. Eventually they fall apart and reveal their cowardice to all, as the filthy "Zionists' has done on this board.

GW, you nailed it!

I must say, it's a true compliment that when they tryo to bash you, they direcly yell "You zionist!"

Makes me feel giddy:)

I just recently received an pm from a 'submitter' Muslim. He wanted to know why I hate Islam. So this is what I told him and I'll show you his reply.

Me;
"You obviously have not read much so you're assuming you think you know what I believe. I have no desire to understand what you happen to think islam is. I only care about the fact that there are millions of Muslims who believe Islam teaches them to gain power, and when they have power to install Islam as law, a law which rejects separation of religion and state, a law which is against freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of conscience. You might not believe that is what Islam teaches, but enough Muslims believe this to be a danger to our world an my freedoms. This is why I believe islam is a dangerous ideology which needs to be diminished.

His reply:
"You haven't really given nothing concrete for me to reply back to so i guess that it."

I'm saying to myself........good lord friggin unbelievable! These Muslims are blinder than bats!

Thanks George, some very informative and educational posts.

Trisha wrote:

I just recently received an pm from a 'submitter' Muslim. He wanted to know why I hate Islam. So this is what I told him and I'll show you his reply.
Me;
"You obviously have not read much so you're assuming you think you know what I believe. I have no desire to understand what you happen to think islam is. I only care about the fact that there are millions of Muslims who believe Islam teaches them to gain power, and when they have power to install Islam as law, a law which rejects separation of religion and state, a law which is against freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of conscience. You might not believe that is what Islam teaches, but enough Muslims believe this to be a danger to our world an my freedoms. This is why I believe islam is a dangerous ideology which needs to be diminished.
His reply:
"You haven't really given nothing concrete for me to reply back to so i guess that it."
I'm saying to myself........good lord friggin unbelievable! These Muslims are blinder than bats!

They sure are, but they think YOU are the blind person for not saying "amen" to their cult.

Silly us, how DARE we not think like 'em!

Every word of what george said was 100 % correct.

Amira ,did same to me , she always asked me to read the quaran then you will see the light , when i read it she said you should be open minded.

what is wrong with muslims ?

its a serious disease ...inlamophobia

george whyte wrote:

Whenever you criticize anything related to Islam, Allah, Muhammad, Sharia laws or muslim community, you will find a refutation immediately. To refute something is OK but the way muslims refute is funny. Here are some most common ways of a muslim-refute, the order may change depending upon your and muslim’s caliber:
1. First of all, muslims will say,”you are ignorant, you are a hypocrite, this is false information, this is a lie”, and, when it comes to Islamic terrorism:“get over it…”
Whatever you say is wrong and whatever they say is only right.
2. Next step is Taqqiya. i.e.“Islam means peace”,“Islam was not spread by sword but love”,“No compulsion in religion”,
3. If you quote from Koran or hadith, you will be accused of quoting verses in bits and pieces, or they claim ”suicide bombing is not allowed in Islam, there is nothing in the Koran…blah blah” or “FGM is un-Islamic” when it is in fact the Muslims who insist on such barbaric practices because of a vague hadith.
4. Be prepared for accusation that the verses you quoted are “twisted and out of context.”(an infidel cannot possibly understand Islam, but all’s well if you, no matter how foolish or ignorant, accept Islam…)
5. If you provide reference to your quote, then muslims will say “All your references are false and lies”, which implies only their references are true and correct.
6. You will be advised to “Read the koran first and you will see the light”
7. If you say you have already read it then they will doubt you as if you are a liar.
8. If you quote full verses (not bits & pieces) from koran and hadith, your translation is incorrect / misleading. Then you will be advised to learn Arabic and read the the original version.
9. If you say, I read the same Koran with most authentic translations, which muslims are referring to, then you will be asked “Did you read only the cover?”,“Read it with open mind”
(Read with closed mind, like a muslim reads by keeping their brains aside)
10. Besides your reading of the translated Koran or even though you know Arabic, if you quote from the Koran, they quote hadith, tafseer etc, but if you quote hadith, then they will say “Only Koran is authentic”.

ur name is getting popular ... good keep up the good work till ...

Lies!
LIES AND DECEPTION IS WHAT YOU DOGS ARE MASTERS IN.
All you know is insult, denigrate, distort and cast aspersions.

Allah (swat) knows and sees EVERYTHING!
You can neither run nor hide. Everything will be reviewed on Judgment Day.
POOR YOU!

LOL! Zionist Just made your point for you, George!

Zionists PLEASE get out wrote:

Lies!
LIES AND DECEPTION IS WHAT YOU DOGS ARE MASTERS IN.
All you know is insult, denigrate, distort and cast aspersions.
Allah (swat) knows and sees EVERYTHING!
You can neither run nor hide. Everything will be reviewed on Judgment Day.
POOR YOU!

Is that all your allah does all day, is watch what people are doing? Is he realy that bored? The 72 Virgins don't excite him anymore? He can always get a job running the Slurpee machine at a 7-11 quickie mart.HA!HA!HA!!!

The funniest part is that Muslims have the nerve to get angry about this when they KNOW they PURPOSEFULLY do this. And when you catch them, you're the bad guy, not them. They are the worst and most dishonest the humanity has to offer, and it must be a part of Muslim culture or something because so many of them do this and never feel the least bit ashamed of it, but rather they fancy it as crafty and clever.

Here's how it really works. You see, since they lie and they know it, they automatically assume you are lying as well, just like they would. So to them, it's never a discussion about the truth, that's secondary to winning the debate, it's about who can be the more clever debater and deceiver.

This is what is so twisted about these people and it's not just a few, it's a consistent behavior shown by a large majority of them.

Arnold wrote:

The funniest part is that Muslims have the nerve to get angry about this when they KNOW they PURPOSEFULLY do this. And when you catch them, you're the bad guy, not them. They are the worst and most dishonest the humanity has to offer, and it must be a part of Muslim culture or something because so many of them do this and never feel the least bit ashamed of it, but rather they fancy it as crafty and clever.
Here's how it really works. You see, since they lie and they know it, they automatically assume you are lying as well, just like they would. So to them, it's never a discussion about the truth, that's secondary to winning the debate, it's about who can be the more clever debater and deceiver.
This is what is so twisted about these people and it's not just a few, it's a consistent behavior shown by a large majority of them.

absolutely the worst kind there is ever for ages to come. other faith adherents can see for themselves what filthy bastards they are. the worst of worst creatures ... the low of low of all lifeform. f. islam.

selam alekum, Elh. I m a muslim. let me tell something. you critize my religion without respect. what if ı do the same ???
ı just want one thing. respect. I, as a muslim, respect to you, to your religion, to your TRUE opinions. I think muslims deserve the same.
good evening.

abdullah wrote:

selam alekum, Elh. I m a muslim. let me tell something. you critize my religion without respect. what if ı do the same ???

Go ahead. you're entitled to your opinion.

abdullah wrote:

ı just want one thing. respect. I, as a muslim, respect to you, to your religion, to your TRUE opinions. I think muslims deserve the same.
good evening.

Many of them don't behave in a manner that deserves respect and instead they are purposefully deceptive. Why should anyone respect someone who is being deceptive?

abdullah wrote:

selam alekum, Elh. I m a muslim. let me tell something. you critize my religion without respect. what if ı do the same ???
ı just want one thing. respect. I, as a muslim, respect to you, to your religion, to your TRUE opinions. I think muslims deserve the same.
good evening.

did you know that Muhammad did not respect the religion of others? He trashed Christianity and Judaism and even said Jesus will be a witness AGAINST Christians and said Jesus was never crucified. He trashed their scriptures and called them invalid and corrupted. If that's not trashing Christianity then I don't know what is. So if you want to talk about lack of respect for other religions, you need to look no further than your very own prophet.