Who Is Allah?

Let us not waste time on personal attacks. Ad Hominems do not help.

The topic is Who is Allah or Who is God.

Allah is God and Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were God's honest and the most obedient slaves.

And, of course our friend Jesus is NOT God.

BMZ

bmz wrote:

Let us not waste time on personal attacks. Ad Hominems do not help.
The topic is Who is Allah or Who is God.
Allah is God and Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were God's honest and the most obedient slaves.
And, of course our friend Jesus is NOT God.
BMZ

"Let us not waste time on personal attacks"

Admirable

bmz wrote:

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You have not answered my question. Do you have any signed copy of Paul's letters and the four gospels?
If you have please produce a photocopy of the copy.
BMZ

I have answered your very puerile and churlish aspersion corretly, decently with erudition which I regret I should not have.

You are not beyond redemption, but definitely you are beyond correction and education.

The Bible hating natural mind is enmity against Elohim declares the Bible and so misses the Crucified Risen Messiah.

HughBe wrote:

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"Let us not waste time on personal attacks"
Admirable

He-'bmz'- claims to have a copy of Koran signed by an illiterate author who could not either read or write. He goes on to assert an illustrious scholar of Tarsus from an illustrious school of the illustrious Rabbi Gamaliel who begins every letter with "I Paul" and signs out as Paul is a fraud!!

So, according to his learning (indoctrination)Socretes never existed and Plato was a fraud. Compared to these classics (and the Koran) the evidence in favor of NT authorships is 1 to 30,000. Still the unregenrate mind lashes out!!

Noeticcenter wrote:

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I have answered your very puerile and churlish aspersion corretly, decently with erudition which I regret I should not have.
You are not beyond redemption, but definitely you are beyond correction and education.
The Bible hating natural mind is enmity against Elohim declares the Bible and so misses the Crucified Risen Messiah.

There are two modes that I write in. One is the 'Jesus Mode' and the other is the 'Yahweh Mode'.

I have not yet gone into Yaweh Mode yet. so, please do not send me into that mode.

All the reasonable doubts are present in the gospels. I point out by quoting the NT.

The onus is on you and other christian friends to refute me. I see nobody refuting at all with proper arguments.

All I see is gibberish and all I get is gibberish too.

You guys are on a discussion forum, so you must discuss instead of writing 2-3 silly lines.

Cheers
BMZ

HughBe wrote:

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"Let us not waste time on personal attacks"
Admirable

Glad to see you back, HughBe.

Best wishes
BMZ

Here comes another sock puppet of BMZ

The Muslims forget that the Injil Muqaddas or New Testament can never be corrupted, because Allahtala will never allow that to happen.

It is by definition of Allah-the Creator of the worlds, He is in control, and will not allow his books to be corrupted. Some wahabbis have started propogating this false doctrine. It is like saying that Allahtala is not in control.

Those who say such things, beware! Youme-Dine or the Day of Judgement is upon us. Insha Allah you will be mindful of what you speak or you will pay.

Ameen

Truth wrote:

The Muslims forget that the Injil Muqaddas or New Testament can never be corrupted, because Allahtala will never allow that to happen.
It is by definition of Allah-the Creator of the worlds, He is in control, and will not allow his books to be corrupted. Some wahabbis have started propogating this false doctrine. It is like saying that Allahtala is not in control.
Those who say such things, beware! Youme-Dine or the Day of Judgement is upon us. Insha Allah you will be mindful of what you speak or you will pay.
Ameen

Now you are putting your words in the Mouth of Allah.

Where does Allahtaala says that Injil Muqaddas are the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

Where does Allahtalla says that Letetrs of Paul are Injil Muqaddas?

Injil Muqaddas was the revelation which Jesus preached to his people. That is Gospel of Jesus. If you have that Gospel then please bring it.

What Wahabi has to do with this debate?

I think the writer is totally confused about the real issues.

Quran confirms the injil which was given to Jesus and not what is written by Mat. MArk. Luke & John.

About these books it says that "Woe be to the people, who write books with their own hands and then say It is from Allah.."

Why I Became Muslim?

LORENZ (AIYESHA) AL SAEED, USA

One day when I was six years old, my parents gave me a shiny quarter, and told me to put it in the collection plate for Church “to give it to Jesus for his work”

When I returned the quarter was still in my pocket, because I frankly told my parents that Jesus was not there!! My parents were more amused than concerned…

I had descended in a family that had three Christian ministers as my grandparents….I attended al Episcopal Private School, where we studied world religions during our last term.

Trinity was a point which I never understood, I felt it was not logical. How could one Father (the Great Spirit), plus His Son (Jesus) and one Holy Ghost all be together as one, inside one being?

It was logically impossible, and I had been raised to use rational thoughts to make decision in my life…I continued reading Bible every night with my father after dinner, looking for answers and enjoying stories of historical prophets.

In high school I met some more students from the Middle East, who sensing my inner dissatisfaction, asked me if I had ever learned about Islam. I found some books on Islam in school library, including a English Translation of Quran.

My grandfather encouraged me to read these books as according to him, Islam contained a good moral code of living..

The more I read, the more my understanding and excitement grew. I found the answers to all my questions and more!

At the age of 17 I began regular Prayers (SALAT) and even completed my first month of fasting…That summer I took the train to Bloomington Indiana to attend Muslim students lectures and seminars…I stayed in campus with other Muslims for a week….

I moved to Houston to seek employment….one evening at an international costume party I met a polite gentleman whom I later found to be an intelligent Saudi Student. We married shortly and thru him God has let my dreams come true.

We have three children and he has taken me to perform hajj. I am content and satisfied and greatly thankful to the Almighty God for accepting my paryers…

(Abridged) Source:: Saudi Gazette 13 April 2001, p9

Rabbi Shapiro wrote:

Here comes another sock puppet of BMZ

HughBe is a noble soul and a genuine good Christian.

He is not like you, who is faking as a messianic Jew, who is ashamed to call himself Christian. lol!
BMZ

MUQ wrote:

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Now you are putting your words in the Mouth of Allah.
Where does Allahtaala says that Injil Muqaddas are the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
Where does Allahtalla says that Letetrs of Paul are Injil Muqaddas?
Injil Muqaddas was the revelation which Jesus preached to his people. That is Gospel of Jesus. If you have that Gospel then please bring it.
What Wahabi has to do with this debate?
I think the writer is totally confused about the real issues.

Quran confirms the injil which was given to Jesus and not what is written by Mat. MArk. Luke & John.

About these books it says that "Woe be to the people, who write books with their own hands and then say It is from Allah.."

Right on the mark, MUQ.

The New testament was not given to Jesus by God and neither was the entire Old Testament given to Moses.

Salaams
BMZ

bmz wrote:

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Glad to see you back, HughBe.
Best wishes
BMZ

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bmz wrote:

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Right on the mark, MUQ.
The New testament was not given to Jesus by God and neither was the entire Old Testament given to Moses.
Salaams
BMZ

Wailakum Assalam Brother.

We should speak the truth and nothing but truth. That is our greatest and biggest weapon.

Truth has a winning power of its own.

bmz is the biggest fraud that ever appeared on this board. He and his sock puppets sam and gary have been thoroughly debunked and CAUGHT FORGING the transliterated text of Isaiah.

Please read through my thread "Gary of Thatcham UK is a fraud."

I keep that thread updated with his evil falsehoods. He's a malevolent and mendacious lower life form. An out and out liar. PERIOD.

Moiz Qidwai wrote:

It is very clear that Allah is the Arabic equivalent of what Christians mean by the English Word God with Capital G.
In fact Allah is a unque Arbaic Word that cannot be manipulated or mutilated like the word God can be played with.
We get god (with small g), gods, godess, godfather, godmother etc.
None of this is possible with Arabic word Allah.
A unique name for a unique Creator!!

With all due respect, your little play on words does not detract from the fact that this "allah" (lower case a) only exists in your mind... so good luck with that!

MUQ wrote:

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Wailakum Assalam Brother.
We should speak the truth and nothing but truth. That is our greatest and biggest weapon.
Truth has a winning power of its own.

Yes, my dear brother

Indeed, truth is our biggest weapon with which we are exposing the greatest lies ever written by men who spoke lies through their teeth and wrote the New Testament and also those who corrupted the Jewish Holy Scriptures by forging in their own wild imaginations in the verses.

It is a huge responsibility upon Muslims to show our Christian friends that they have been lied to for almost two thousand years.

I am bringing up all the forgeries, corruption and lies told in the Christians' Bible, to the attention of our dear Christian friends and other silent international readers.

Please keep up the good work and the LORD Almighty Allah will grant you more wisdom and knowledge. Jazakallah.

I will take this opportunity to quote Psalm 2 from the Jewish Holy Scriptures and would like you to compare it with Psalm 2 of the Christians' Old T, which shows that a severe forgery was made by the Christian writers in a holy scripture:

JEWISH HOLY SCRIPTURES

11 Serve HaShem with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Do homage in purity, lest He be angry, and ye perish in the way, when suddenly His wrath is kindled. Happy are all they that take refuge in Him.

Please note that there is no "Kiss the Son" in above.

Now we look at the fraud and forgery in the Old Testament:

CHRISTIANS' OLD TESTAMENT

11 Serve the LORD with fear
and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

And I am being called a liar to point out and bring up the biggest lie in a scripture supposed to be holy. Rofl!

May Allah shine the light of reason on our Christian friends. Ameen

Salaams, Bro
BMZ

Rabbi Shapiro wrote:

bmz is the biggest fraud that ever appeared on this board. He and his sock puppets sam and gary have been thoroughly debunked and CAUGHT FORGING the transliterated text of Isaiah.
Please read through my thread "Gary of Thatcham UK is a fraud."
I keep that thread updated with his evil falsehoods. He's a malevolent and mendacious lower life form. An out and out liar. PERIOD.

Rabbi Shapiro,

I am sorry to say but must say that the people who wrote the Old & the New Testament, ARE THE LIARS and you are a firm believer in the pack of lies told.

I just brought the following for the attention of our learned brother MUQ. Please read the truth:

I will take this opportunity to quote Psalm 2 from the Jewish Holy Scriptures and would like you to compare it with Psalm 2 of the Christians' Old T, which shows that a severe forgery was made by the Christian writers in a holy scripture:

JEWISH HOLY SCRIPTURES

"11 Serve HaShem with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Do homage in purity, lest He be angry, and ye perish in the way, when suddenly His wrath is kindled. Happy are all they that take refuge in Him."

Please note that there is no "Kiss the Son" in above.

Now we look at the fraud and forgery in the Old Testament:

CHRISTIANS' OLD TESTAMENT

"11 Serve the LORD with fear
and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him."

And I am being called a liar to point out and bring up the biggest lie in a scripture supposed to be holy. Rofl!

BMZ

BMZ
It is you muslims that have been lied to NOT the christians. Christians have the truth and the Bible proves this its just you sir are blind to this because you are to busy lying about the Bible to see you are the ones that have been fooled by your child raping muhammed.

I HOPE your friend gets a COMPLETE JEWISH BIBLE and sees for himself that YOU lied to him when you said that the words KISS THE SON is not in the JEWISH BIBLE. It is in the Jewish Bible and you lied to him saying it was NOT. Shame on you for lying

bmz wrote:

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Yes, my dear brother
Indeed, truth is our biggest weapon with which we are exposing the greatest lies ever written by men who spoke lies through their teeth and wrote the New Testament and also those who corrupted the Jewish Holy Scriptures by forging in their own wild imaginations in the verses.
It is a huge responsibility upon Muslims to show our Christian friends that they have been lied to for almost two thousand years.
I am bringing up all the forgeries, corruption and lies told in the Christians' Bible, to the attention of our dear Christian friends and other silent international readers.
Please keep up the good work and the LORD Almighty Allah will grant you more wisdom and knowledge. Jazakallah.
I will take this opportunity to quote Psalm 2 from the Jewish Holy Scriptures and would like you to compare it with Psalm 2 of the Christians' Old T, which shows that a severe forgery was made by the Christian writers in a holy scripture:
<quoted text>
Please note that there is no "Kiss the Son" in above.
Now we look at the fraud and forgery in the Old Testament:
<quoted text>
And I am being called a liar to point out and bring up the biggest lie in a scripture supposed to be holy. Rofl!
May Allah shine the light of reason on our Christian friends. Ameen
Salaams, Bro
BMZ