Sabah to enforce apostasy law

Dec 25, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Star Online

TAWAU: The Sabah Islamic Affairs Department will enforce the apostasy law once its faith rehabilitation centre in Kinarut is ready next year, said its director, Datuk Amri A. Suratman.

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“The Defiant Dhimmi”

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Apostasy laws are proof of Islam's intolerance.

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This is happening in the Tawau District of Malaysia. Obviously, this is more proof that the "no compulsion in religion" claim by Muslims is utter nonsense--though we really don't need anymore proof. There clearly is compulsion in religion in Islam. It's just a matter of whether it is going to be enforced. People need to wake up and recognize what Islam really is because trying to appease Muslims will only encourage them to try to spread the satanic Islamic dogma.
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Wilberhum wrote:
Apostasy laws are proof of Islam's intolerance.
It is always sad to see people who call themselves Musims acting contrary to the Qur'an and the Way of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him).

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) never imposed the death penalty on anyone for simply leaving Islam, nor did any of his companions (God be pleased with them).

The Qur'an mentions apostasy 20 times, but never mentions death as an earthly penalty.

The Qur'an mentions people who enter and leave islam several times, who believe and then disbelieve and then believe again and then disbelieve again, etc. That mention clearly shows that the death penalty cannot be imposed for the initial disbelief.

Many people fail to notice that in the time of the Prophet and his immediate successors, in the cases in which an apostate was killed there was an aggravating factor: treason against the State.

Simple apostasy (riddah) is not a captial crime. God says: laa ikran fii ad-deen -- Let there be NO compulsion in religion (2:256).

When an apostate commits acts of treason, sedition or violence against the community, then he may be killed. In many countries (perhaps most) such acts, whether or not religion is a factor, are capital crimes.

He may not be killed merely for leaving Islam or choosing another religion. Faith, like love, cannot be imposed. It must be a freewill act of the heart.

The Hanbali juristic school takes a harsh position on apostasy, but one of the greatest jurists of that school, Ibn Tamayyah, who is much respected even by Wahhabis and
Salafis, is of the opinion that it is unlawful to kill an apostate unless the apostasy is combined with warfare or sedition against the Islamic community.

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Benedictus Quebecensis,
Apostasy laws are only one of the thousand proofs of Islam's intolerance.

Your so-called Prophet may have never imposed the death penalty on anyone for simply leaving Islam, but he did murder unarmed combatants and innocent civilians,raped women and sold them and their children into slavery.
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That saying about no compulsion in religion is one of the biggest farces of Islam http://www.al-islam.org/short/apostasy/
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Benedictus Quebecensis wrote:
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It is always sad to see people who call themselves Musims acting contrary to the Qur'an and the Way of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him).
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) never imposed the death penalty on anyone for simply leaving Islam, nor did any of his companions (God be pleased with them).
The Qur'an mentions apostasy 20 times, but never mentions death as an earthly penalty.
The Qur'an mentions people who enter and leave islam several times, who believe and then disbelieve and then believe again and then disbelieve again, etc. That mention clearly shows that the death penalty cannot be imposed for the initial disbelief.
Many people fail to notice that in the time of the Prophet and his immediate successors, in the cases in which an apostate was killed there was an aggravating factor: treason against the State.
Simple apostasy (riddah) is not a captial crime. God says: laa ikran fii ad-deen -- Let there be NO compulsion in religion (2:256).
When an apostate commits acts of treason, sedition or violence against the community, then he may be killed. In many countries (perhaps most) such acts, whether or not religion is a factor, are capital crimes.
He may not be killed merely for leaving Islam or choosing another religion. Faith, like love, cannot be imposed. It must be a freewill act of the heart.
The Hanbali juristic school takes a harsh position on apostasy, but one of the greatest jurists of that school, Ibn Tamayyah, who is much respected even by Wahhabis and
Salafis, is of the opinion that it is unlawful to kill an apostate unless the apostasy is combined with warfare or sedition against the Islamic community.
While conversion into Islam is time for celebration; it is punishment if it is in the other direction! Imagine other religions imposing such barbaric punishment for leaving their faiths! Sabah's Kadazans were not Muslims.

Surah 4:89 is clear; that apostates of Islam must be killed....is your ever righteous Prophet not going to obey the words of Islamic Allah?
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I am glad these people are doing this stupid thing and I hope that many come to regret they ever heard of Islam.

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Wilberhum wrote:
Benedictus Quebecensis,
Apostasy laws are only one of the thousand proofs of Islam's intolerance.
Your so-called Prophet may have never imposed the death penalty on anyone for simply leaving Islam, but he did murder unarmed combatants and innocent civilians,raped women and sold them and their children into slavery.
Apostasty laws are enacted by Governments... men who are as imperfect as you or I. Benedictus made a good point to highlight the fact that in the Quran, God does not call for death or any other form of capital punishment to apostates. Apostasy laws are used as a form of control by weak-minded governmental regimes. Do not confuse politics for the true faith.

As far as you accusations towards the Prophet... it is true that the early Caliphates did murder-- you might not know this fact-- but killing often occurs in war. If you want to go off on that tangent... then let us discuss the Christian Crusades and Spanish Inquisition or how about militant Zionism? The history ofno religion remains unflawed, it is like the pot calling the kettle black.

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Apostasty laws are enacted by Governments... men who are as imperfect as you or I ... Apostasy laws are used as a form of control by weak-minded governmental regimes. Do not confuse politics for the true faith ...
There is no distinction between politics and faith in an islamic theocracey.
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Asmara wrote:
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Apostasty laws are enacted by Governments... men who are as imperfect as you or I. Benedictus made a good point to highlight the fact that in the Quran, God does not call for death or any other form of capital punishment to apostates. Apostasy laws are used as a form of control by weak-minded governmental regimes. Do not confuse politics for the true faith.
As far as you accusations towards the Prophet... it is true that the early Caliphates did murder-- you might not know this fact-- but killing often occurs in war. If you want to go off on that tangent... then let us discuss the Christian Crusades and Spanish Inquisition or how about militant Zionism? The history ofno religion remains unflawed, it is like the pot calling the kettle black.
The fact that many muslims think Islam should govern the whole world in a theocratic hell is why people oppose Islam. Muslims think they have the right to murder people who disagree with them.

They endanger the whole world.
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Asmara wrote:
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Apostasty laws are enacted by Governments... men who are as imperfect as you or I. Benedictus made a good point to highlight the fact that in the Quran, God does not call for death or any other form of capital punishment to apostates. Apostasy laws are used as a form of control by weak-minded governmental regimes. Do not confuse politics for the true faith.
As far as you accusations towards the Prophet... it is true that the early Caliphates did murder-- you might not know this fact-- but killing often occurs in war. If you want to go off on that tangent... then let us discuss the Christian Crusades and Spanish Inquisition or how about militant Zionism? The history ofno religion remains unflawed, it is like the pot calling the kettle black.
Are the opinions of these individuals that of a governement??

Death Penalty For Apostates (Zakir Naik)


islam penalty for apostasy
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

And why do you people have to lie in defense of your religion all the time? If it's black call it black, if it's white call it white. If there are shortcomings in your religion / religious texts, then stop defending it to the point of being ridiculous.
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Asmara wrote:
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Apostasty laws are enacted by Governments... men who are as imperfect as you or I. Benedictus made a good point to highlight the fact that in the Quran, God does not call for death or any other form of capital punishment to apostates. Apostasy laws are used as a form of control by weak-minded governmental regimes. Do not confuse politics for the true faith.
As far as you accusations towards the Prophet... it is true that the early Caliphates did murder-- you might not know this fact-- but killing often occurs in war. If you want to go off on that tangent... then let us discuss the Christian Crusades and Spanish Inquisition or how about militant Zionism? The history ofno religion remains unflawed, it is like the pot calling the kettle black.
there is no confusion here...anyone who converts out of islam and become ""people of the book"" and speak openly about islam is an enemy of islam and the death penalty can be invoked. what is the penalty for those who stops and oppresses muslims according to bmz singapore?

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4) No compulsion in religion
Islam is the true religion and way of life. However, in upholding this truth, Islam does not force non-Muslims to follow it. There is no compulsion in religion. A non-Muslim cannot be forced to practice the teachings of Islam.

However, someone who is already at the right path and later rejects the religion, he has indeed done injustice towards himself and the Muslim nation. He is similar to those who stop others from practicing Islam and oppresses it. Allah commanded in Surah al-Mumtahanah, ayat 8-9:
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"Whoever changed his Islamic religion,kill him." Bukhari

All Islamic schools arfe agreed that the apostate should be punished.
The only muslims who say there is no compulsion in religion are the ones who write messages on western forums.

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There is no distinction between politics and faith in an islamic theocracey.
no, there is. what you mean is there is no distinction between politics and RELIGIOUS interpretation and/or dogma. FAITH is something different entirely.

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The fact that many muslims think Islam should govern the whole world in a theocratic hell is why people oppose Islam. Muslims think they have the right to murder people who disagree with them.
They endanger the whole world.
Okay Hitler. Actually in Islam murder is a sin, and those who murder and take the lives of innocents "in the name of" Allah will be judged for it. I bet you all those suicide bombers were very shocked when the awoke on the other side at the gates of Hell rather than the Paradise. Religious extremists can not be used to paint a picture of the entire faith.

But since we are speaking on the matter-- what about the Crusades? Or the Spanish Inquisition? Did Christians not murder and execute untold masses of Jews, Muslims, pagans and those Christians who did not support them? Have Jews in the Holy Land not displaced thousands of not only Muslims but also Arab Christians as well in the name of Isreal? As I said before and will point out again, the history of all the Abrahamaic faiths are deeply scarred.

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Are the opinions of these individuals that of a governement??
Death Penalty For Apostates (Zakir Naik)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =JRl5c-xPVA0XX
islam penalty for apostasy
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
And why do you people have to lie in defense of your religion all the time? If it's black call it black, if it's white call it white. If there are shortcomings in your religion / religious texts, then stop defending it to the point of being ridiculous.
What irritates me is that you people are very quick to point fingers at others and point everyone's shortcomings but your own. When it comes to your own past you are decidedly blind. That is very sad in deed.

And for the record... I am not Muslim. I am a Bahai' and my people have too been severly persecuted by the ruling Islamic Regime in Iran -- including a recent "Death for Apostates" law in which any one accused of converting to Bahai faith may be executed by law. But I do not hold these trespasses against all Muslims. The fact is that among our allies and supporters many are also Muslim. Assume nothing.

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"Whoever changed his Islamic religion,kill him." Bukhari
All Islamic schools arfe agreed that the apostate should be punished.
The only muslims who say there is no compulsion in religion are the ones who write messages on western forums.
And I wonder what religious school those muslims came from? They are probably not even "real" people are they? Just figments of your imaginations floating in cyber-space... mirages trying to mislead you and derail your train of thought....
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Okay Hitler. Actually in Islam murder is a sin, and those who murder and take the lives of innocents "in the name of" Allah will be judged for it. I bet you all those suicide bombers were very shocked when the awoke on the other side at the gates of Hell rather than the Paradise. Religious extremists can not be used to paint a picture of the entire faith.
But since we are speaking on the matter-- what about the Crusades? Or the Spanish Inquisition? Did Christians not murder and execute untold masses of Jews, Muslims, pagans and those Christians who did not support them? Have Jews in the Holy Land not displaced thousands of not only Muslims but also Arab Christians as well in the name of Isreal? As I said before and will point out again, the history of all the Abrahamaic faiths are deeply scarred.
The story reference is now & what is happening to apostates in Sabah Malaysia! Please do not drag in The Crusades and Inquisition to this story; they happened many years before we were all born!

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The story reference is now & what is happening to apostates in Sabah Malaysia! Please do not drag in The Crusades and Inquisition to this story; they happened many years before we were all born!
Funny... you all seem perfectly comfortable bring up the past in reference the "terrors" of Islam... and yet when i return the favor you cannot deal with it. Hypocrisy indeed and you make my point exactly!
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And for the record... I am not Muslim. I am a Bahai' and my people have too been severly persecuted by the ruling Islamic Regime in Iran -- including a recent "Death for Apostates" law in which any one accused of converting to Bahai faith may be executed by law. But I do not hold these trespasses against all Muslims. The fact is that among our allies and supporters many are also Muslim. Assume nothing.
If I am not mistaken your name Asmara indicates the capital of Eritrea where the majority of the people who are Christians are living under Arabist and Jihadist government. The Christians there are persecuted daily and if you are a Bahai you sure will be persecuted. I am just wondering why you chose that name if you are not a clueless muslim.

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