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Ahmed

Calgary, Canada

#1 Oct 4, 2006
I am fed up with the hatred I have seen towards muslims in this forum. If you truley believe that Islam is an evil religion... it is clear that you are misled by what you interpret from the media. Have you ever taken a look at Islam the way that the Quran and Mohammad (pbuh) make of my religion? Obviously NOT. You are so convinced by the media and terrorist actions of "political" groups around the world, that you don't even bother to look into islam yourself. GROW UP! This world is full of deceit, and you completley fail to realize. That is clearly a sign of weakness, and nobody respects you for it, not even those who hate along with you. Do yourself a favor, and open up a Quran! Indulge in what Allah has sent to us as a guide for our life. A true muslim does not kill, does not steal, does not degrade woman, and has no right to create disorder in the world. Every one of us who does, is going to face a hefty punishment in the hereafter. NO MATTER WHO IT IS. Infact, we are given consice rules on donating to the poor, conserving ourselves, submitting to your parents, having compassion and mercy towards others, and completley submitting ourselves to Allah, because to him we will all return. The actions of those who are corrupt in Arab countries is a complete adomination to the name of Islam, and does not portray it in any way. Being a TRUE muslim, who follows the Quran and his prophets, gives me utmost self-satisfaction, and provides strength that can only comes from Allah himself. Shame on whoever does not know how to form an opinion on their own, its a sure weakness of the heart. For those who continue in their dark path, I have nothing against you, because I am not going to be judged for what you do, therefore I don't have to care. I will however, feel sorry for you when a day comes, where everyone has to explain themsleves completley. Thank you
fred

Honolulu, HI

#2 Oct 4, 2006
sorry my state arrests u for molesting 9 year olds.

and to be honest our media rams down our throat the idea that islam is the great religion of peace. this hatred is completely grass roots. though perhaps u wish to speak to ur muslim brothers on this forum who wish to destroy israel.
Ahmed

Calgary, Canada

#3 Oct 4, 2006
Fred, you have to learn how to deferrentiate between politics and religion. "Destroying Israel" is completlely political. Islam does not endorse such acts, even though it is being carried out by a group of muslims. These muslims are being driven by their patriotism for their land, not by what the religion states to do. If you ask a real muslim like me, I can tell you that what is happening to destroy isreal is completley selfish. Everyone has the right to security in their land. Under no circumstances should a MUSLIM be driven to commit such crimes. If only more muslims in those areas start to realize that this is all a test of their faith. Will they act maturley and spare the lives of the innocent? or will they resort to bloodshed, further worsening the entire situation. Allah sureley watches everything that they do.
fred

Honolulu, HI

#4 Oct 5, 2006
Ahmed wrote:
Fred, you have to learn how to deferrentiate between politics and religion. "Destroying Israel" is completlely political. Islam does not endorse such acts, even though it is being carried out by a group of muslims. These muslims are being driven by their patriotism for their land, not by what the religion states to do. If you ask a real muslim like me, I can tell you that what is happening to destroy isreal is completley selfish. Everyone has the right to security in their land. Under no circumstances should a MUSLIM be driven to commit such crimes. If only more muslims in those areas start to realize that this is all a test of their faith. Will they act maturley and spare the lives of the innocent? or will they resort to bloodshed, further worsening the entire situation. Allah sureley watches everything that they do.
I assure that bringing their aims down to the selfishly political would greatly upset them. especially as they recite the koran on the way to their suicide attacks.
like I said in another thread, if u really believe that islam has a bad rap, and its just as liberal as any other religion. then perhaps u can take it up with the police officer in london who refused to guard the israeli embassy, or the taxi drivers in michigan who wont give cab rides to gay ppl or the many muslim organizations around the west that regularly hound ppl trying to suppress free speech. CAIR recently tried to make defacing the koran a hate crime. robert redeker is a professor in france who had to go into hiding because he criticized islam, not only was his life threataned but those of his wife and children as well.
or perhaps how half of dearborn michigan shows up to protest for hezbollah and not a single protest against the "perverting" of their religion.
if u really believe that islam has a bad rap, stand up to these ppl. take ur religion back, if u indeed believe islam is liberal and modern.
clydecaddy

Punta Gorda, FL

#5 Oct 5, 2006
Ahmed wrote:
I am fed up with the hatred I have seen towards muslims in this forum. If you truley believe that Islam is an evil religion... it is clear that you are misled by what you interpret from the media. Have you ever taken a look at Islam the way that the Quran and Mohammad (pbuh) make of my religion? Obviously NOT. You are so convinced by the media and terrorist actions of "political" groups around the world, that you don't even bother to look into islam yourself. GROW UP! This world is full of deceit, and you completley fail to realize. That is clearly a sign of weakness, and nobody respects you for it, not even those who hate along with you. Do yourself a favor, and open up a Quran! Indulge in what Allah has sent to us as a guide for our life. A true muslim does not kill, does not steal, does not degrade woman, and has no right to create disorder in the world. Every one of us who does, is going to face a hefty punishment in the hereafter. NO MATTER WHO IT IS. Infact, we are given consice rules on donating to the poor, conserving ourselves, submitting to your parents, having compassion and mercy towards others, and completley submitting ourselves to Allah, because to him we will all return. The actions of those who are corrupt in Arab countries is a complete adomination to the name of Islam, and does not portray it in any way. Being a TRUE muslim, who follows the Quran and his prophets, gives me utmost self-satisfaction, and provides strength that can only comes from Allah himself. Shame on whoever does not know how to form an opinion on their own, its a sure weakness of the heart. For those who continue in their dark path, I have nothing against you, because I am not going to be judged for what you do, therefore I don't have to care. I will however, feel sorry for you when a day comes, where everyone has to explain themsleves completley. Thank you
You are fed up with hatred when so many of us are fed up with murdering.
zoompad

Stafford, UK

#6 Oct 5, 2006
Ahmed wrote:
I am fed up with the hatred I have seen towards muslims in this forum. If you truley believe that Islam is an evil religion... it is clear that you are misled by what you interpret from the media. Have you ever taken a look at Islam the way that the Quran and Mohammad (pbuh) make of my religion? Obviously NOT. You are so convinced by the media and terrorist actions of "political" groups around the world, that you don't even bother to look into islam yourself. GROW UP! This world is full of deceit, and you completley fail to realize. That is clearly a sign of weakness, and nobody respects you for it, not even those who hate along with you. Do yourself a favor, and open up a Quran! Indulge in what Allah has sent to us as a guide for our life. A true muslim does not kill, does not steal, does not degrade woman, and has no right to create disorder in the world. Every one of us who does, is going to face a hefty punishment in the hereafter. NO MATTER WHO IT IS. Infact, we are given consice rules on donating to the poor, conserving ourselves, submitting to your parents, having compassion and mercy towards others, and completley submitting ourselves to Allah, because to him we will all return. The actions of those who are corrupt in Arab countries is a complete adomination to the name of Islam, and does not portray it in any way. Being a TRUE muslim, who follows the Quran and his prophets, gives me utmost self-satisfaction, and provides strength that can only comes from Allah himself. Shame on whoever does not know how to form an opinion on their own, its a sure weakness of the heart. For those who continue in their dark path, I have nothing against you, because I am not going to be judged for what you do, therefore I don't have to care. I will however, feel sorry for you when a day comes, where everyone has to explain themsleves completley. Thank you
Ahmed,

We have looked into it. The problem that most of us have with your religion is in the Quran itself. I do not think that Muhammed was a man of God, I really don't, I think he was greedy and selfish and into debaunchery. I am sorry if this offends you, but Muhammed offends me.
Muslima

UAE

#7 Oct 8, 2006
zoompad wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahmed,
We have looked into it. The problem that most of us have with your religion is in the Quran itself. I do not think that Muhammed was a man of God, I really don't, I think he was greedy and selfish and into debaunchery. I am sorry if this offends you, but Muhammed offends me.
Hey People, if your problem with Quran , you could ask. ZOOMPAD --If you all use translation and comprehension to understand the Bibble.Dont you get it , Quran needs comprehension to understand it , Infact how much smart you are to understand what the QURAN means you should have comprehension.

I have sent the site which gives you comprehension.SO first read it ,then discuss anything related to Quran .
Muslima

UAE

#8 Oct 8, 2006
Dutch19

Voorschoten, Netherlands

#9 Dec 14, 2006
''We have looked into it. The problem that most of us have with your religion is in the Quran itself. I do not think that Muhammed was a man of God, I really don't, I think he was greedy and selfish and into debaunchery. I am sorry if this offends you, but Muhammed offends me''

That could be in your opinion but this does not say anything about the quran.

You must have read and used the Hadith and placed it in your own time. Then you may have problems with Islam. And yes he was a man of God we all are.
Just don't frase it on a christian way. That's full of contradictions.

You do say that you have looked into it. But I do not believe you read the quran from cover to cover without any emotional effect on yourself. Or else you would not have been a human being. Maybe before you try to learn just have a clear mind instead of prejudice because there is a reason why this religion is on an inevidable fasttrack.

Muslims are here to warn for the Judgement Day and try to better people. And they don't do it like Jehovas Witnesses. But if you talk to a muslim ( a true believer) and ask him or her anything about Islam he or she will have the answers ..when you do that to a christian he or she would not have all the answers because they dont know what to rely on ( wich version should i use now they might think )..

And btw .. what is this about our prohpet ( may peace be upon him) and say that he rapes 9 year old. He married her so she would have been save from slave traders and other bad people, but it wasnt a marriage of love but only on paper. Our prophet ( may peace be upon him). And no he did not have sexual intercourse with her untill she got way older.

I'm fed up with baseless lies and stupid remarks. If you think you know it better without even studying it, where is your reliance based on? is it based o the media? based on what tour friends say?
Or just based on the fact that you have no confidence in yourself and your afraid of the truth. You may say I'm not afraid!. Good thats what i would tell you. And then I would say If you're not afraid of the truth then the learn about Islam and then tell me it is false because....

( and complete your sentence)

I dare you. And try to weaken my Iman (faith)
because if you don't have answers which are based on something real and reliable then it would just strengthen my faith.

May peace be upon you!

A dutch convert.
fred

Laie, HI

#16 Dec 15, 2006
Dutch19 wrote:
''We have looked into it. The problem that most of us have with your religion is in the Quran itself. I do not think that Muhammed was a man of God, I really don't, I think he was greedy and selfish and into debaunchery. I am sorry if this offends you, but Muhammed offends me''
That could be in your opinion but this does not say anything about the quran.
You must have read and used the Hadith and placed it in your own time. Then you may have problems with Islam. And yes he was a man of God we all are.
Just don't frase it on a christian way. That's full of contradictions.
You do say that you have looked into it. But I do not believe you read the quran from cover to cover without any emotional effect on yourself. Or else you would not have been a human being. Maybe before you try to learn just have a clear mind instead of prejudice because there is a reason why this religion is on an inevidable fasttrack.
Muslims are here to warn for the Judgement Day and try to better people. And they don't do it like Jehovas Witnesses. But if you talk to a muslim ( a true believer) and ask him or her anything about Islam he or she will have the answers ..when you do that to a christian he or she would not have all the answers because they dont know what to rely on ( wich version should i use now they might think )..
And btw .. what is this about our prohpet ( may peace be upon him) and say that he rapes 9 year old. He married her so she would have been save from slave traders and other bad people, but it wasnt a marriage of love but only on paper. Our prophet ( may peace be upon him). And no he did not have sexual intercourse with her untill she got way older.
I'm fed up with baseless lies and stupid remarks. If you think you know it better without even studying it, where is your reliance based on? is it based o the media? based on what tour friends say?

May peace be upon you!
A dutch convert.
mohammed murdered poets, slaughtered entire tribes of men, engendered grotesque religious hatred, molested and fcuked 9 year olds, honestly the list of mohammed's crimes against humanity, his brutalities and his hatred are too numerous to mention.

ur not fooling anyone. ppl are learning of islam's hatred. why do u think the arab world has more and more internet censorship? they know the truth is ind anger of being let out.

and the bigotry of islam will be exposed.

“WIELDLING THE SWORD OF GOD”

Since: Dec 06

THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE

#17 Dec 15, 2006
Muslima wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey People, if your problem with Quran , you could ask. ZOOMPAD --If you all use translation and comprehension to understand the Bibble.Dont you get it , Quran needs comprehension to understand it , Infact how much smart you are to understand what the QURAN means you should have comprehension.
YOUR FU%KING KIDDING RIGHT? OKAY, LETS SAY YOUR MUSLIM BROTHERS READ THE QURAN AND UNDERSTAND IT. I GUESS THATS WHY THEY ARE KILLING NON BELIEVERS???
SICKO
Zoompad

Stafford, UK

#18 Dec 17, 2006
Dutch19 wrote:
''We have looked into it. The problem that most of us have with your religion is in the Quran itself. I do not think that Muhammed was a man of God, I really don't, I think he was greedy and selfish and into debaunchery. I am sorry if this offends you, but Muhammed offends me''
That could be in your opinion but this does not say anything about the quran.
You must have read and used the Hadith and placed it in your own time. Then you may have problems with Islam. And yes he was a man of God we all are.
Just don't frase it on a christian way. That's full of contradictions.
You do say that you have looked into it. But I do not believe you read the quran from cover to cover without any emotional effect on yourself. Or else you would not have been a human being. Maybe before you try to learn just have a clear mind instead of prejudice because there is a reason why this religion is on an inevidable fasttrack.
Muslims are here to warn for the Judgement Day and try to better people. And they don't do it like Jehovas Witnesses. But if you talk to a muslim ( a true believer) and ask him or her anything about Islam he or she will have the answers ..when you do that to a christian he or she would not have all the answers because they dont know what to rely on ( wich version should i use now they might think )..
And btw .. what is this about our prohpet ( may peace be upon him) and say that he rapes 9 year old. He married her so she would have been save from slave traders and other bad people, but it wasnt a marriage of love but only on paper. Our prophet ( may peace be upon him). And no he did not have sexual intercourse with her untill she got way older.
I'm fed up with baseless lies and stupid remarks. If you think you know it better without even studying it, where is your reliance based on? is it based o the media? based on what tour friends say?
Or just based on the fact that you have no confidence in yourself and your afraid of the truth. You may say I'm not afraid!. Good thats what i would tell you. And then I would say If you're not afraid of the truth then the learn about Islam and then tell me it is false because....
( and complete your sentence)
I dare you. And try to weaken my Iman (faith)
because if you don't have answers which are based on something real and reliable then it would just strengthen my faith.
May peace be upon you!
A dutch convert.
Well, you are obviously very happy and contented to be a muslim. I would not want to weaken anyone's faith, if their faith was leading them to God.

I don't really have any clever answers at all. I believe in something completly different to you, and I suppose there is a huge gulf between us.
Zoompad

Stafford, UK

#19 Dec 17, 2006
Muslima wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey People, if your problem with Quran , you could ask. ZOOMPAD --If you all use translation and comprehension to understand the Bibble.Dont you get it , Quran needs comprehension to understand it , Infact how much smart you are to understand what the QURAN means you should have comprehension.
I have sent the site which gives you comprehension.SO first read it ,then discuss anything related to Quran .
Well, that's very nice of you to have such a high opinion of my Bible comprehension, Muslima. I would always do my very best to answer questions, but I am not infallable, none of us are! That is what is so good about these online discussions - we get to hear all points of view.

Since: Dec 06

Kirkcaldy, UK

#20 Dec 17, 2006
WARRIOR OF GOD wrote:
<quoted text>
YOUR FU%KING KIDDING RIGHT? OKAY, LETS SAY YOUR MUSLIM BROTHERS READ THE QURAN AND UNDERSTAND IT. I GUESS THATS WHY THEY ARE KILLING NON BELIEVERS???
SICKO
Any "Muslim brothers" who are killing non believers obviously havent read the Quran and understood it.
If they had, they wouldnt be killing non believers.
Zoompad

Stafford, UK

#22 Dec 17, 2006
Proud Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
Any "Muslim brothers" who are killing non believers obviously havent read the Quran and understood it.
If they had, they wouldnt be killing non believers.
Well, there seems to be enough of them, and they can talk enough about the Quran, they never stop blethering on about it! Can't you proper muslims keep them in check?

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#21 Dec 17, 2006
Ahmed wrote:
I am fed up with the hatred I have seen towards muslims in this forum. If you truley believe that Islam is an evil religion... it is clear that you are misled by what you interpret from the media. Have you ever taken a look at Islam the way that the Quran and Mohammad (pbuh) make of my religion? Obviously NOT. You are so convinced by the media and terrorist actions of "political" groups around the world, that you don't even bother to look into islam yourself. GROW UP! This world is full of deceit, and you completley fail to realize. That is clearly a sign of weakness, and nobody respects you for it, not even those who hate along with you. Do yourself a favor, and open up a Quran! Indulge in what Allah has sent to us as a guide for our life. A true muslim does not kill, does not steal, does not degrade woman, and has no right to create disorder in the world. Every one of us who does, is going to face a hefty punishment in the hereafter. NO MATTER WHO IT IS. Infact, we are given consice rules on donating to the poor, conserving ourselves, submitting to your parents, having compassion and mercy towards others, and completley submitting ourselves to Allah, because to him we will all return. The actions of those who are corrupt in Arab countries is a complete adomination to the name of Islam, and does not portray it in any way. Being a TRUE muslim, who follows the Quran and his prophets, gives me utmost self-satisfaction, and provides strength that can only comes from Allah himself. Shame on whoever does not know how to form an opinion on their own, its a sure weakness of the heart. For those who continue in their dark path, I have nothing against you, because I am not going to be judged for what you do, therefore I don't have to care. I will however, feel sorry for you when a day comes, where everyone has to explain themsleves completley. Thank you
Greetings Ahmed:

I can see you have been trying to be reasonable with unreasonable people. Rain can wear down a mountain to the sea, but not even the God(swt) can wear down the stone hearts of unreasonable people.
I have been supporting Islam.

I read the Quran, before I had the eyes to understand it. I am rereading it now that I do have the eyes. I have yet to find anything but peace and love of God/Allah(swt) within its pages.

I practice many/most of Islam's teachings within Christianity already. The closest "mosque" to me is only a meeting home 2 hours drive from where I live. I believe God/Allah(swt) calls us all, we just need the ears to hear and listen.
You have the right idea about being fed up with the hatred. I have already proved fred wrong in 6 places with his imaginary stories, out-of-context writings of the Quran. And I really dislike chasing him around the threads trying to prove him wrong. One gets entangled in his hate, and I find myself getting brief, to the point of making short statements that can be misinterpretted, or make no sense to most of the readers.

It is best to wait until someone with reasoning ability comes along, and then one can begin building up a common understanding of peace and love of God/Allah(swt). That is definitely a more positive result.

Don't give up the threads. Give up on trying to build with unreasonable people. It takes longer to build than to be a destroyer. Patience....

Allah Al-Haqq

Peace

Robert

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#23 Dec 17, 2006
Zoompad wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, that's very nice of you to have such a high opinion of my Bible comprehension, Muslima. I would always do my very best to answer questions, but I am not infallable, none of us are! That is what is so good about these online discussions - we get to hear all points of view.
Hi zoompad:

Yea, Its me....If you believe in a montheistic God, then you are very close to being a Muslim. I think Muslima is correct. And you can say Christianity has had a pretty bloody past too....
I have been studying this for about 2 months now. Let me put it in another way, those that are striving to be faithful to a peaceful and loving God/Allah(swt), are living in a violent world. The violence is due to people not striving to be faithful to a peaceful and loving God/Allah(swt). Islam tries to seperate and distinguish them, just as say Paul in his letters to Timothy does in the Bible. Lots of issues come up because of this division process in both religions.
I think as Christians we need to appreciate what Islam offers us. A lot of times we get caught up in the Trinity issues. Islam goes straight to the monotheistic. Most of the divisions and heresies in Christianity are due to the Trinity issues.
Of course Islam has its issues too. Sunni, shi'a schizm(and there are others). So they need to learn from us too.

Peace and God's Blessing on you...

Allah Al-Haqq (God is The Truth)

Robert Finch
Zoompad

Stafford, UK

#24 Dec 17, 2006
Robert F wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi zoompad:
Yea, Its me....If you believe in a montheistic God, then you are very close to being a Muslim. I think Muslima is correct. And you can say Christianity has had a pretty bloody past too....
I have been studying this for about 2 months now. Let me put it in another way, those that are striving to be faithful to a peaceful and loving God/Allah(swt), are living in a violent world. The violence is due to people not striving to be faithful to a peaceful and loving God/Allah(swt). Islam tries to seperate and distinguish them, just as say Paul in his letters to Timothy does in the Bible. Lots of issues come up because of this division process in both religions.
I think as Christians we need to appreciate what Islam offers us. A lot of times we get caught up in the Trinity issues. Islam goes straight to the monotheistic. Most of the divisions and heresies in Christianity are due to the Trinity issues.
Of course Islam has its issues too. Sunni, shi'a schizm(and there are others). So they need to learn from us too.
Peace and God's Blessing on you...
Allah Al-Haqq (God is The Truth)
Robert Finch
Hi Robert,

I guess I just feel sad that Muslims do not have the wonderful assurance of salvation that we have! Their religion denies the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made on the cross. Muslims are offended by the very idea that God died a criminal's death. They do not see just how low God was prepared to stoop, in order to save the people that he created, the people that he loves so much.

Islam makes me angry because it robs the people of salvation.

“WIELDLING THE SWORD OF GOD”

Since: Dec 06

THAT OTHERS MAY LIVE

#25 Dec 17, 2006
Proud Muslim wrote:
<quoted text>
Any "Muslim brothers" who are killing non believers obviously havent read the Quran and understood it.
If they had, they wouldnt be killing non believers.
Maybe it's your responsibility to show them the way.
standup and fight for your religion then. take control.

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#26 Dec 17, 2006
Zoompad wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Robert,
I guess I just feel sad that Muslims do not have the wonderful assurance of salvation that we have! Their religion denies the sacrifice that Jesus Christ made on the cross. Muslims are offended by the very idea that God died a criminal's death. They do not see just how low God was prepared to stoop, in order to save the people that he created, the people that he loves so much.
Islam makes me angry because it robs the people of salvation.
Hi zoompad:
I cannot say I know the intricate nature of the the Islamic theology. I know that they believe Jesus is the Word of God, and he was born by a miracle. That is more than most so-called Christians know/believe.
It is a difficult thing. For instance, when we go to heaven, are we to share a self-identity with God, or will there be a distinct and unique seperateness? Or is it some of each? Islam keeps it a bit more seperate here on earth, although there is a plunging into the depths of heaven and into God, which is retrieved, and written about by prophets.
And I think I know you well enough through your writings that you believe that it is God's Grace that saves us through faith. Because a person does not believe in Jesus in a certain way now, may not be "evidence" in the realm of faith which is distinctly different realm.
Faith is in the realm of the unseen. Belief is what is apparently true by reason and evidence of a logical and physical nature. This makes it possible for salvation for all people that seek God, love God and humanity.
I can't believe God will condemn a person for not knowing everything about Jesus. After all we are not God....

Peace

Robert

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