Woman dies after Muslim nurse refused to help because he was still praying

Mar 24, 2012 Full story: www.telegraph.co.uk 119

An elderly woman was left on the floor at a care home for up to ten minutes because a nurse was praying, an inquest heard ...

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Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Mar 24, 2012
from telegraph:

"Alzheimer's sufferer Dorothy Griffiths, 87, was found sitting down after staff heard a bang and a carer went to the office for help to lift her.

"But agency nurse Abdul Bhutto, who was in charge, said they would have to wait.

"Carer Zoe Shaw told the Sheffield hearing:'It took between five and ten minutes because he was praying upstairs in the office on his prayer mat. A staff member told me we had to wait for him to finish.'

"An ambulance was not called for nearly four hours after Mrs Griffiths fell from bed and cut her head ...

"She died later in hospital. Mr Bhutto failed to appear at the inquest and a summons had to be issued for him to attend the resumed hearing later in the year."

“Alea iacta est!”

Since: Oct 06

Oh it's ON!

#2 Mar 24, 2012
Looks like it's time the government did a serious investigation into the conditions in their Care Homes.

Since: Nov 09

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#3 Mar 24, 2012
That's horrible. Why the four hour delay?

Since: Jul 07

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#4 Mar 24, 2012
Muslims should be run out of the UK, US and any other free country. Those asslifters are killing people with impunity.
skeptic

Bethlehem, PA

#5 Mar 25, 2012
cairene wrote:
That's horrible. Why the four hour delay?
This is why.
KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers.- Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah.- Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter.- 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme.(different translation:) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely.- Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.- 2:216
(different translation:) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered.- 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord.- Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward.- Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil.- 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them.- 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done.- 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people.- 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding.- 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land.- 8:67
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.- 9:5
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled.- 9:29 (another source:) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell.(another source:) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons.- 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.- 9:73
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you.(another source:) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell.- 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens.- 47:4
(different translation:) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another.- 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to ne another.

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Since: May 07

Israel, betach b'HaShem!

#6 Mar 25, 2012
That's really disgusting. people don't have any appreciation of life anymore.

Since: Jul 07

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#7 Mar 25, 2012
The asslifting cab drivers in NY will stop their cabs at prayer time and get out and pray, holding up traffic. One of these days they are going to hold up an ambulance or fire truck and when they do I hope the asslifter gets thrown in jail after they run a tank over his cab. The cab may belong to the asslifter but the streets belong to the city.
Dont Believe Joe DeCaro

Leeds, UK

#8 Mar 26, 2012
This is such a horseshit story; she didn't die from the fall; she passed away a week or so later. Nothing to do with the person praying.
Dont Believe Joe DeCaro

Leeds, UK

#9 Mar 26, 2012
cairene wrote:
That's horrible. Why the four hour delay?
Prayers take 5 mins tops. So nothing to do with that.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#10 Mar 26, 2012
Dont Believe Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
Prayers take 5 mins tops ...
Every single minute diminshes the "Golden Hour".

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#11 Mar 26, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Every single minute diminshes the "Golden Hour".
Only one person in the entire care facility was capable of handling an emergency?

CARF certification for a Nursing home requires every employee be trained in Emergency First Aid. In a Nursing home were falls are very common and occur on almost every shift, there is usually an established protocol set up for what steps each employee in the immediate area is to take.with or without the presence of a Nurse.

Why did the staff workers even waste time and not call the Doctor on Call? Every certified nursing home is to have at least one doctor on call that can respond within a matter of minutes.

Based on what is written in the OP. The Nurse already had his prayer distracted. invalidating it, and he would be obligated to make it up at the next payer time.. It makes no sense he did not respond.

It is possible we do not know all the facts as to what transpired.

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#12 Mar 26, 2012
In reference to my post above. I just realized the UK may not have the same Certification Criteria for Nursing homes we have in the USA.

In the USA the standard procedure for a fall would be to first check to see if the person is breathing. If not and the person is not on a NO CODE one person on the scene begins cpr, the next person on the scene is to check for any bleeding and get that under control. Then determine if the person is conscious. The patient is not to be moved unless they are in immediate danger such as a fire.

If the patient is unconscious EMT's are to be called immediately. If the person is conscious and alert the next step would be to check for broken bones if none are found the person may be moved.

But that is here in the USA and in a Certified health Care Facility. I'm going by memory. Been a long time since I worked in any type of Health care Facility.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#13 Mar 26, 2012
WoodrowLI akaAbdullah1940 wrote:
Based on what is written in the OP. The Nurse already had his prayer distracted. invalidating it ...
I thought the only thing that invalidated a muslim's prayer was an interuption by a woman, or a dog, and there are no dogs in a hospital.

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#14 Mar 26, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought the only thing that invalidated a muslim's prayer was an interuption by a woman, or a dog, and there are no dogs in a hospital.
Anything that you notice is an interruption if it even momentarily distracts you.

A woman and dog are given as examples of what may distract a man. But, the understanding is by inference since they invalidate your prayer by distracting you, anything that distracts you likewise invalidates your prayer.
Old Pom

Australia

#15 Mar 27, 2012
WoodrowLI akaAbdullah1940 wrote:
<quoted text>
Anything that you notice is an interruption if it even momentarily distracts you.
A woman and dog are given as examples of what may distract a man. But, the understanding is by inference since they invalidate your prayer by distracting you, anything that distracts you likewise invalidates your prayer.
Perhaps you would like to tell us about just what you say in your prayers.

Since: Mar 12

Alhambra, CA

#16 Mar 27, 2012
Middle Eastern and Pakistani men are hot.

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#19 Mar 27, 2012
Old Pom wrote:
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Perhaps you would like to tell us about just what you say in your prayers.
What most non-Muslim are aware in terms of our prayers are the 5 obligatory prayers. While those are called prayers they are closer to what a Christian would call a church service consisting of Praises to God(swt) and some short passages from the Qur'an. Somewhat similar to a Catholic Mass. Along with our own personal Du'as.

Du'a is what most Christians consider as prayers. We say those at anytime and anyplace. Such as before and after eating, when waking up, before going to bed at any time we desire to Thank, Praise, ask for forgiveness, etc. We try to never stop praying and make all things a prayer. We say our du'as in the words of our own choosing in the language we are most familiar with and at any moment we desire to speak to God(swt)

m,ew

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#20 Mar 27, 2012
muslims stop praying when they are blowing up themselves or other people....

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#21 Mar 27, 2012
WoodrowLI akaAbdullah1940 wrote:
<quoted text>
Anything that you notice is an interruption if it even momentarily distracts you.
A woman and dog are given as examples of what may distract a man. But, the understanding is by inference since they invalidate your prayer by distracting you ...
I find it odd that Mohammad only gave women and dogs as examples of that which invalidates prayer in islam; the inference puts women on the level of dogs, and your prophet didn't like dogs.

Since: Jan 12

Zeeland, ND

#22 Mar 27, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
I find it odd that Mohammad only gave women and dogs as examples of that which invalidates prayer in islam; the inference puts women on the level of dogs, and your prophet didn't like dogs.
which is why he praised a woman who used her sandal to give water to a Dog.

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