Can Muslims explain this error?

Mahmood wrote:

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The Koran says allah guides whomever he wills and leads astray whomever he wills. Not my fault that I am a kafir.

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wak karto wrote:

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It is a well known fact that Trinitarian loves the saying by mouth that God is one, even tho the series of councils define it as three.
At closer look, the three alleged as coequal never been equal at anytime actually, in fact the other two only existed in people interpretations together with later addition of texts .

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Whewww! quite impressive! Finally, a muslim who knows how to count. This is an important step toward your freedom.
If Christians have FIVE main gods, how come then, Allah says that they take him as the third of three?
Sura 5:73
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the THIRD of THREE; ...
Shouldnt it be
Sura 5:73
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the FIFTH of FIVE;...
If christians believe in FOUR main gods 1.daddie, 2.ghostie, 3.sonnie, 4.mumsie as you claim, again the quran does not say:
... the FOURTH of four.
Allah not good in maths or Mohammed being illiterate?
In any cases, with your post, you unearthed a mistake in the quran and provided the clearer answer to Arnold's question.

skeptic wrote:

<quoted text>It should not come as a surprise that the word "Allah" was not something invented by Muhammad or revealed for the first time in the Quran.
The well-known Middle East scholar H.A.R. Gibb has pointed out that the reason that Muhammad never had to explain who Allah was in the Quran is that his listeners had already heard about Allah long before Muhammad was ever born (Mohammedanism: An Historical Survey, New York: Mentor Books, 1955, p.38).
Dr. Arthur Jeffery, one of the foremost Western Islamic scholars in modern times and professor of Islamic and Middle East Studies at Columbia University, notes:
"The name Allah, as the Quran itself is witness, was well known in pre-Islamic Arabia. Indeed, both it and its feminine form, Allat, are found not infrequently among the theophorous names in inscriptions from North Africa" (Islam: Muhammad, and His Religion, New York: The Liberal Arts Press, 1958, p. 85).
The word "Allah" comes from the compound Arabic word, al-ilah. Al is the definite article "the" and ilah is an Arabic word for "god." It is not a foreign word. It is not even the Syriac word for God. It is pure Arabic.(There is an interesting discussion of the origins of Allah, in "Arabic Lexicographical Miscellanies" by J. Blau in the Journal of Semitic Studies, Vol. XVII,#2, 1972, pp. 173-190).
Neither is Allah a Hebrew or Greek word for God as found in the Bible. Allah is a purely Arabic term used in reference to an Arabian deity. Hastings' Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics I:326, T & T Clark, states:
'"Allah" is a proper name, applicable only to their [Arabs'] peculiar God.'
According to the Encyclopedia of Religion:
'"Allah" is a pre-Islamic name ... corresponding to the Babylonian Bel'(Encyclopedia of Religion, I:117 Washington DC, Corpus Pub., 1979).
For those who find it hard to believe that Allah was a pagan name for a peculiar pagan Arabian deity in pre-Islamic times, the following quotations may be helpful:
"Allah is found ... in Arabic inscriptions prior to Islam" (Encyclopedia Britannica, I:643).
"The Arabs, before the time of Mohammed, accepted and worshipped, after a fashion, a supreme god called Allah" (Encyclopedia off Islam, I:302, Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1913, Houtsma).
"Allah was known to the pre-Islamic ... Arabs; he was one of the Meccan deities" (Encyclopedia off Islam, I:406, ed. Gibb).
"Ilah ... appears in pre-Islamic poetry ... By frequency of usage, al-ilah was contracted to Allah, frequently attested to in pre-Islamic poetry" (Encyclopedia off Islam, III:1093, 1971).

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so arabs translate god as allah, spanish as dios, french as dieu, what is your point?

Suliman wrote:

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and he took this 'attempted murder' as an excuse to attack and plunder carovans killing hundreds of innocent merchants who were not even meccans

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Read what I posted...
When Allah guides you none can misguide you..
Allah doesn't sit there begging you to allow Him to guide you...
Effort is required on your part...

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Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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your god krishna told people to kill their own families for honour.
why?

Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Thanks to ALLAH I was lucky to have had accesss to loads more informatioin than you and many others as a priest.
sorry boy...you believe in a LIE.

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Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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Christians are ALWAYS on killing sprees.

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Alex123 aka WM wrote:

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you say ghostie is god..

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SANTA-BANTA wrote:

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Quote the book chapter and verse no.

SANTA-BANTA wrote:

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Quote the book chapter and verse no.

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ONLY THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE USES THE WORDS 'HOLY GHOST' and Ghost is another word for spirit.

Jinn Martini wrote:

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Well, you guys all seem consistently nicer and more intelligent than mainstream Muslims, especially Sunnis. They are more ignorant and militant than Shiites, and definitely more than Sufis, Bahais or your branch. However, being the objective person that I am, i don't understand how this verse got tossed.
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of God and the last (end) of the Prophets. And God is Ever All-Aware of everything. S. 33:40
It is my understanding that a messenger is a prophet who also has a message or book, whereas prophets are only commentators on past scriptures. Therefore, while a messenger can be both a messenger and a prophet, a prophet cannot be a messenger unless he brings a scripture. As far as I can tell, this verse applies to both prophets and messengers and therefore Muhammad is the last of them all.
IBN Kathir
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php...
IBN Abbas
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp...
Al Jalalayn
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp...
Now, am I just plain biased and hateful about an issue I don't care about?

Jinn Martini wrote:

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I gave a pretty good logical reason as to why it should be anybody's choice. Let's face it, every time modern science comes up with something new, and it conflicts with the Quran, the Quran gets reinterpreted to MAKE it fit the bill. Just look at what they must have thought about the Quran before science. They thought that all the verses talking about the sun's movement were talking about the obvious orbit it does around the earth, as they all believed anyway. Remember, the Quran never attempts to be a science book, it merely references things we can understand (or think we do) and it uses that as evidence there is a God and therefore Muhammad is a prophet (which in of itself is pretty twisted logic). So when Copernicus came along, any Muslim who was aware his discovery of the earth spinning and the sun not moving, as he thought, had no choice but to make those verses figurative to save the Quran. Otherwise, it's in obvious error and the entire religion collapses like a house of cards. I can logically explain why if you actually need me to. So the Quran required reinterpretation to MAKE it fit the bill. Then, more recent science comes along and tells us that the sun does indeed orbit. Not around the earth, but around a galaxy. Then, you watch Muslims reinterpret the Quran again. Suddenly it is literal again and miraculous (even though it said nothing even remotely like anything like a galaxy). See the games? And they've been going on for 100s of years because for most Muslims, truth falls a close second to defending the honor of the Quran. Therefore, in their minds, tiny falsehoods can help defend the truth. Strange logic, eh? But it happens every day.
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If I didn't explain it sufficiently, you could successfully find the holes in it, and not things you mistakenly think or need to be holes in it. So far, every time you thought you saw a logical mistake or inconsistency, it was actually due to something you didn't think about, and I explain exactly what it is you didn't think about every time. I'm not brilliant at all, i just bothered to take the time to really think it through. i already thought of every single angle you attempted because before I introduce any idea, I try to poke holes in it myself first.

SANTA-BANTA wrote:

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Quote the book chapter and verse no.

Jinn Martini wrote:

Let's not forget that it is a former priest, Father Fraud (aka Alex) who can't grasp that Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost are the same exact thing. LOL!!!