Stop this nonsense!!!!!

OMG I cannot believe the CRAP I am reading on this forum and the hatred and bitterness that is comming from both sides...

We are all human and we all come from the same place yet we all have many different beliefs and core values. My dream would be for people to love and accept others even though we are different.

I dont subscribe to any religion at all so does that make me bad person? I try to treat people the way I want to be treated and I do not judge because I dont have that right. You may not agree with someone elses beliefs but that is no reason to be so hateful toowards that person or their beliefs. Religion is a very personal thing between a person and their higher power and should be respected. Nobody here is going to change the way another person thinks or feels so please do try to be a little more understanding of different cultures and beliefs.

Natalie wrote:

OMG I cannot believe the CRAP I am reading on this forum and the hatred and bitterness that is comming from both sides...
We are all human and we all come from the same place yet we all have many different beliefs and core values. My dream would be for people to love and accept others even though we are different.
I dont subscribe to any religion at all so does that make me bad person? I try to treat people the way I want to be treated and I do not judge because I dont have that right. You may not agree with someone elses beliefs but that is no reason to be so hateful toowards that person or their beliefs. Religion is a very personal thing between a person and their higher power and should be respected. Nobody here is going to change the way another person thinks or feels so please do try to be a little more understanding of different cultures and beliefs.

Are an atheist?

Natalie wrote:

OMG I cannot believe the CRAP I am reading on this forum and the hatred and bitterness that is comming from both sides...
We are all human and we all come from the same place yet we all have many different beliefs and core values. My dream would be for people to love and accept others even though we are different.
I dont subscribe to any religion at all so does that make me bad person? I try to treat people the way I want to be treated and I do not judge because I dont have that right. You may not agree with someone elses beliefs but that is no reason to be so hateful toowards that person or their beliefs. Religion is a very personal thing between a person and their higher power and should be respected. Nobody here is going to change the way another person thinks or feels so please do try to be a little more understanding of different cultures and beliefs.

Let me try again.

Are you an atheist?

Natalie wrote:

OMG I cannot believe the CRAP I am reading on this forum and the hatred and bitterness that is comming from both sides...
We are all human and we all come from the same place yet we all have many different beliefs and core values. My dream would be for people to love and accept others even though we are different.
I dont subscribe to any religion at all so does that make me bad person? I try to treat people the way I want to be treated and I do not judge because I dont have that right. You may not agree with someone elses beliefs but that is no reason to be so hateful toowards that person or their beliefs. Religion is a very personal thing between a person and their higher power and should be respected. Nobody here is going to change the way another person thinks or feels so please do try to be a little more understanding of different cultures and beliefs.

No I am not an athiest. I do believe in a higher power... I just dont believe in organised religions but I do respect others beliefs...

Natalie wrote:

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No I am not an athiest. I do believe in a higher power... I just dont believe in organised religions but I do respect others beliefs...

Nice.

It's wonderful to respect other's beliefs.

Do you also respect the beliefs of people who's religion teaches them to hate?

How about religions that teach them that men can marry more than one woman? But their women are not equal?

Just a couple of examples among countless others. I'm just trying to make the point that for some of us, respect isn't given lightly. Respect isn't something you should give if that religion, culture, etc, goes against the principles that humankind needs to live by.

You know, sometimes we need to draw that line in the sand and say,'No!'.

Trisha wrote:

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Nice.
It's wonderful to respect other's beliefs.
Do you also respect the beliefs of people who's religion teaches them to hate?
How about religions that teach them that men can marry more than one woman? But their women are not equal?
Just a couple of examples among countless others. I'm just trying to make the point that for some of us, respect isn't given lightly. Respect isn't something you should give if that religion, culture, etc, goes against the principles that humankind needs to live by.
You know, sometimes we need to draw that line in the sand and say,'No!'.

It is the "nutters" who make a religion look bad. NOT the religion itself.

Natalie wrote:

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It is the "nutters" who make a religion look bad. NOT the religion itself.

With all due respect, I believe you've missed the point I was making.

I'm not referring to 'nutters' or extremists. I'm referring to religious beliefs that other's hold dear and sacred that go against your personal principles.

What about a religion that believes cannibalism is fine?

You see, there are many religions in the world today that do not deserve my respect. Their principle beliefs go against mine. Why should I respect that?

I may tolerate it, as long as innocents aren't being hurt and their beliefs do not endanger mine.

That's where I draw the line of respect.

Do you have a line?

Natalie wrote:

OMG I cannot believe the CRAP I am reading on this forum and the hatred and bitterness that is comming from both sides...
We are all human and we all come from the same place yet we all have many different beliefs and core values. My dream would be for people to love and accept others even though we are different.
I dont subscribe to any religion at all so does that make me bad person? I try to treat people the way I want to be treated and I do not judge because I dont have that right. You may not agree with someone elses beliefs but that is no reason to be so hateful toowards that person or their beliefs. Religion is a very personal thing between a person and their higher power and should be respected. Nobody here is going to change the way another person thinks or feels so please do try to be a little more understanding of different cultures and beliefs.

There exists a rather famous quote to the effect of all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Islam is a totalitarian political system, cloted as a religion, that controls every aspect of a person's life. It mandates second class ststus for women, it mandates death for homosexuality, and it mandates holy war against all nonbelievers. It denies to its believers, or unfortunates under its power, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. It mandates death for Islamic apostates, and it exalts death over life.

Knowing this, should I not speak out against it?

Shouldn't you?

Trisha wrote:

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With all due respect, I believe you've missed the point I was making.
I'm not referring to 'nutters' or extremists. I'm referring to religious beliefs that other's hold dear and sacred that go against your personal principles.
What about a religion that believes cannibalism is fine?
You see, there are many religions in the world today that do not deserve my respect. Their principle beliefs go against mine. Why should I respect that?
I may tolerate it, as long as innocents aren't being hurt and their beliefs do not endanger mine.
That's where I draw the line of respect.
Do you have a line?

There are literally 1000s of religions and although you may not agree with their principles it is their belief. All religions are inherantley violent... I personally think buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world...

Natalie wrote:

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There are literally 1000s of religions and although you may not agree with their principles it is their belief. All religions are inherantley violent... I personally think buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world...

oh?

So, still waiting for you answer a direct question.

Do you also respect those religions and beliefs that oppose your principles of human decency?

Maybe you don't have any principles..that might explain why you cannot comprehend my questions.

Natalie wrote:

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There are literally 1000s of religions and although you may not agree with their principles it is their belief. All religions are inherantley violent... I personally think buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world...

You might wish to study the history of Buddhists. They've been involved in more than a few rather violent wars.

As for religion, you are incorrect about all religions. Christianity is not an inherently violent religion, and neither is Buddhism. Quite the opposite--both are inherently nonviolent. Neither Christ nor Buddha ever advocated violence.

The seminal point is this:

People who commit violent acts in the name of Christianity are universally condemned by Christian leaders and are not following the teachings of Christ.

People who commit violent acts in the name of allah are not condemned by many Muslim clerics while the remainder remain silent. And those men who commit violent acts in the name of allah are merely carrying out his instructions.

Natalie wrote:

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There are literally 1000s of religions and although you may not agree with their principles it is their belief. All religions are inherantley violent... I personally think buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world...

Christianity is not inherently violent. What did Jesus say to incite violence against others. Though many have committed violence in the name of Christianity. Some in self-defense; others without excuse. Nevertheless, leave your prejudices aside.

Islam is an incitement to violence because the Quran expressly provokes Muslims to attack non-Muslims, which would be you too. Why would I respect a religion and the people of that religion that incite, plot, and carry out violence against innocent people? If you want to bury your head in the sand and dream that Muslims and/or the Quran will someday change, then go right ahead. And as more and more people are murdered around the world in the name of Islam remember your dream--because that's all you have--1,400 years of Islamic terrorism testifies to this fact.

tolivr wrote:

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There exists a rather famous quote to the effect of all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Islam is a totalitarian political system, cloted as a religion, that controls every aspect of a person's life. It mandates second class ststus for women, it mandates death for homosexuality, and it mandates holy war against all nonbelievers. It denies to its believers, or unfortunates under its power, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. It mandates death for Islamic apostates, and it exalts death over life.
Knowing this, should I not speak out against it?
Shouldn't you?

Islam is not going to go away.... Isint it best we try to understand them?
I know a Muslim lady and she and her family are the least violent people I know... they run a hot bread shop and they give their left overs for the day to people who need it.

Trisha wrote:

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oh?
So, still waiting for you answer a direct question.
Do you also respect those religions and beliefs that oppose your principles of human decency?
Maybe you don't have any principles..that might explain why you cannot comprehend my questions.

I dont like your condecending tone...
Yes there are religions that oppose my beliefs but I do RESPECT their beliefs!

Natalie wrote:

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I dont like your condecending tone...
Yes there are religions that oppose my beliefs but I do RESPECT their beliefs!

lol! Well maybe it's the reality of the question that bothers you.

In real life, how do you 'respect' a person who believes it's his religious belief to beat his wife?

How do you respect that religion?

Trisha wrote:

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lol! Well maybe it's the reality of the question that bothers you.
In real life, how do you 'respect' a person who believes it's his religious belief to beat his wife?
How do you respect that religion?

The question does not bother me... your ignorance of the Islam religion does.

Natalie wrote:

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Islam is not going to go away.... Isint it best we try to understand them?
I know a Muslim lady and she and her family are the least violent people I know... they run a hot bread shop and they give their left overs for the day to people who need it.

Look, listen and learn about what's going on around you concerning violent Islam. Actions speak louder than words. Hence, we understand Islam already, not only by the historical record, but also by what is going on in the world right now. Islam is violent and intolerant of all who are not Muslim. The problem is that you don't understand Islam, nevertheless, many of us that post here do.

Natalie wrote:

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The question does not bother me... your ignorance of the Islam religion does.

Are you kidding?

There are Christians who believe beating their wives is justified by their religion, not just Muslims.
Odd that you only believe this is about Islam, since you're the one who made the point about respecting 'ALL' religions.

There are religions who believe it's right to enslave their enemies...

I could do on about religious believes that I do not respect. But I'm beginning to see you respect all others and so have absolutely NO principles of your own.

Trisha wrote:

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Are you kidding?
There are Christians who believe beating their wives is justified by their religion, not just Muslims.
Odd that you only believe this is about Islam, since you're the one who made the point about respecting 'ALL' religions.
There are religions who believe it's right to enslave their enemies...
I could do on about religious believes that I do not respect. But I'm beginning to see you respect all others and so have absolutely NO principles of your own.

You dont know a single thing about me so dont jump to conclusions!:)

I feel sorry for you. You are ignorant.

Natalie wrote:

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Islam is not going to go away.... Isint it best we try to understand them?
I know a Muslim lady and she and her family are the least violent people I know... they run a hot bread shop and they give their left overs for the day to people who need it.

Islam will go away. It will either self destruct, disband or civilizations will disband it.