Jesus never denied he is NOT God.

Did Jesus Say He Was God?

The gospel of John, which presents Jesus Christ in His deity, is sometimes called the "I AM" book. Over and over again in the book of John, Jesus said, "I AM." To the learned Jew this phrase "I AM" was very significant. It was a claim by Jesus that He is God. Why? In the Old Testament when God called Moses to lead the nation of Israel out of Egypt, He told Moses to tell the nation that "I AM" has sent you (Exodus 3:13-15). "I AM" is the covenant God of Israel, Jehovah! Therefore, the great "I AM" is the designation for God to the nation of Israel and Jesus' statement "I AM" is a clear indication that He was saying, "I AM God."

Did Jesus say He was God? Jesus claimed equality with the God the Father. "Jesus said to them,'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18).

"Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out,'Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me'" (John 7:28-29).

"Then they asked him,'Where is your father?''You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied.'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered,'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Jesus said the following about his oneness with God-
How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20). "

There are hundreds of time,Jesus confirmed he is the Son of God.
The seventeenth chapter of John records Jesus Christ's high priestly prayer. "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began'" (John 17:1-5).
.Muslims must understand that Jesus is part of God theFather. when he came down to earth in the form of Jesus, he called himself 'Son of God' It literally means 'part of God'.

I myself never denied that i am not God. I thought you knew abt that already?

Blue Spruce wrote:

Did Jesus Say He Was God?
The gospel of John, which presents Jesus Christ in His deity, is sometimes called the "I AM" book. Over and over again in the book of John, Jesus said, "I AM." To the learned Jew this phrase "I AM" was very significant. It was a claim by Jesus that He is God. Why? In the Old Testament when God called Moses to lead the nation of Israel out of Egypt, He told Moses to tell the nation that "I AM" has sent you (Exodus 3:13-15). "I AM" is the covenant God of Israel, Jehovah! Therefore, the great "I AM" is the designation for God to the nation of Israel and Jesus' statement "I AM" is a clear indication that He was saying, "I AM God."
Did Jesus say He was God? Jesus claimed equality with the God the Father. "Jesus said to them,'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18).
"Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out,'Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me'" (John 7:28-29).
"Then they asked him,'Where is your father?''You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied.'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered,'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Yeah you are right when jesus him prayed to god still he was god... during the 3rd hour of crucifixion when he cried out as My god my god my god.... still then he was god... When jesus himself said father is greater then him still he and father is him... when he said no 1 knows about the last day... not the son nor the angels only the father.... still jesus and god is same...

"the father is greater than I am." John 14:28

Even myth maker paul said the head of christ is god... still jesus is god ;)

"head of the Christ is God". 1 Cor. 11:3

N see when jesus sat beside the right hand of god Jesus christ is still god... ;)

Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Here come the real... question ... If jesus christ is god then how can he sit at the right hand of god... N see risen jesus was taken up in 2 heaven...Who took jesus in 2 heaven ;)??? n sat at the right of god...then in how many god this pagan christians do believe in :P ????

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Here come the real... question ... If jesus christ is god then how can he sit at the right hand of god... N see risen jesus was taken up in 2 heaven...Who took jesus in 2 heaven ;)??? n sat at the right of god...then in how many god this pagan christians do believe in :P ????

question. "If God is only one then how do you explain Jesus being on the right hand of the Father"?

This term the “right hand” goes back to ancient Bible times. It was and still is a figure of speech. Today the term is used as such,“John is my right hand man”. That statement today simply means that John is his good friend and someone that can be counted on. The point is that the term “right hand” is a figurative term. Another figure of speech is that “it is raining cats and dogs”. We know that cats and dogs are not coming down from the sky!

The Bible is full of such figurative terms, parables and typology that in some cases we must know a little of the Eastern customs to understand what is being implied and taught in the Bible passage.

The trinitarians look at this term and teach that it proves that two sit on the throne of God.

If God is omnipresent how then can you sit down on His right side? If God is a Spirit how then can one sit down on the right side of Him? If it possible to sit on the right side of God as a position then we must say that God is not everywhere but that He is limited to space, that He is confined to a certain amount of height and depth. Is God limited to a certain amount of height and depth? I say not!

Because God is an omnipresent Spirit He does not “sit” as we do on a physical throne. The Heaven is His throne. In other words in the universe He sits and reigns, there is no place where He isn’t.

Jesus Christ sat down with all power as Almighty God on the throne by Himself.

The term “sat down” leads us to more understanding of these passages. In understanding the sacrificing of the priests they were not allowed at any time to sit in the Holy place where the sacrificing was done. There was no place to sit. The reason for this is that their sacrificing was never finished. The sins of the people were only pushed ahead another year. When Jesus became our final sacrifice, He at the same time being the high priest, forever sat down as God ending all sacrifices!

So we see the subject is not about how many are sitting on the throne of God but about Jesus sitting down as the almighty God after the final sacrifice!

The term “the almighty” is used 44 times in the Bible. The last verse referring to the almighty is Jesus claiming to be the almighty. How many almighties do we have? Only one and He Jesus, sits on the throne alone!

The term “ the finger of God” can be taken literally but again God wants us to understand His great power and authority. Do you think Jesus reached into people’s lives and literally pluck out demons with His finger? A more clear understanding is that God doesn’t even need a whole hand to cast out demons. In a figurative way of speaking God only needs a finger to cast out the devil! The devil is no match for God!"

May i remind you guys. You guys join wrong forum! But you can call jesus as Isa

"MY LORD AND MY GOD!"

I've recently debated with athiests on the Christian Forum who claim that Jesus would have been known as the Bastard of Nazareth.

I fight back by saying there was no need for Joseph and Mary to admit that he wasn't Joseph's son. Adulterous women were stoned by Jews according to the Laws of Moses and bastards were humiliated and weren't allowed in synagogues. Mary died of old age, while Jesus became a Rabi, therefore Jesus was thought to be Joseph's son.

On this forum I'd like to present it for a reason why Jesus didn't go around preaching loudly to everyone that he was the son of God. To claim that he wasn't Joseph's son would have been deadly for his mother and suicide for his ministry.

But he told his disciples the truth, when with them privately:
JOHN 20:27-29
“Then He said to Thomas,‘Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.’ Thomas said to him, "MY LORD AND MY GOD!" Then Jesus told him,‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.’"

Back to square one.

Did anyone, according to the NT, ever ask him the question, appended below?

Jesus, are you God?

BMZ

as in how the muslims from the ummah in singapore are compelled to bless jews, christians, hindus and ex-muslims because of the clear book quran.

bastard bmz would like to see more muslims settle singapore so that they could ban 'karoke', beauty pageants, ban the bible, impose sharia to cane offenders etc because impostor allah is just too stupid to know which islam to practice.

bmz wrote:

Back to square one.
Did anyone, according to the NT, ever ask him the question, appended below?
Jesus, are you God?
BMZ

NO, AND THAT'S WHY HE NEVER SAID HE WAS GOD.
but he was asked:
JOHN 8:57 The people said, "You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?*"
58 Jesus answered, "The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!"
and look at how they reacted:

'59 At that point they picked up stones to kill him. But Jesus hid himself from them and left the Temple.'

To the Jews it was blashemy to say "I am God" or "I am the son of God", and he would have been killed before he got to teach anything.

Hello, Yaccho, I mean Yeccho Bastard

See, Yeccho, no one ever asked the man, the Son of Mary, if he were God.

Nobody ever asked him, "Hey, Jesus! Are you God?"

And the Son of Mary also never said, "Listen, boodyfools! I am God!"

That Jesus was God or that Jesus claimed to be God, is totally pathetic and absurd.

Jesus is wrote:

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NO, AND THAT'S WHY HE NEVER SAID HE WAS GOD.
but he was asked:
JOHN 8:57 The people said, "You aren't even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?*"
58 Jesus answered, "The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!"
and look at how they reacted:
'59 At that point they picked up stones to kill him. But Jesus hid himself from them and left the Temple.'
To the Jews it was blashemy to say "I am God" or "I am the son of God", and he would have been killed before he got to teach anything.

This story comes only from John and John's gospel has been subjected to lots of forgeries and editing/re-editing.

Anyway, I have burst this bubble before and I will burst it again.

From the conversation, we can see that the Son of Mary was just claiming that he was there before Abraham, which is nothing wonderful as others who came after Jesus were there before Jesus.

He was not telling them that he was the I am that I am, who Moses heard at the burning bush.

The Jews just considered him lunatic and wanted to stone him for insulting Abraham. He hid and ran away.

He made no claim that he was the God of the Jews.

Jesus was jolly good at teasing the Jews. He would excite them to get an adverse reaction and that is why he spoke figuratively and in parables.

The man never claimed any divinity. He was not stupid, you know.

Cheers
BMZ

Jesus is wrote:

To the Jews it was blashemy to say "I am God" or "I am the son of God", and he would have been killed before he got to teach anything.

And what good was his ambiguous teaching that ended in not getting accepted by the Jews?

If he were truly God, he should have stood up boldly and declared that. Who could have killed him?

It is useless to say that God came on earth as a man and was frightened for his life.

Cheers
BMZ

And bastard mohammad claimed that the sun goes under the date palm to rest before rising again the next day. how stupid was this dirty filthy bastard of islam.

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And what good was his ambiguous teaching that ended in not getting accepted by the Jews?

Many Jews did accept him and many more have accepted him since his resurrection from the dead.

bmz wrote:

If he were truly God, he should have stood up boldly and declared that. Who could have killed him?

The Jews did accuse him of claiming to be God.

bmz wrote:

It is useless to say that God came on earth as a man and was frightened for his life.
Cheers
BMZ

Jesus was hardly frightened for his life. He rode into Jerusalem knowing he would die.

bmz wrote:

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This story comes only from John and John's gospel has been subjected to lots of forgeries and editing/re-editing.

Proof that John 8:58 was edited? Forgeries? You sure make a lot of claims you cannot backup.

bmz wrote:

Anyway, I have burst this bubble before and I will burst it again.
From the conversation, we can see that the Son of Mary was just claiming that he was there before Abraham, which is nothing wonderful as others who came after Jesus were there before Jesus.
He was not telling them that he was the I am that I am, who Moses heard at the burning bush.

Wrong, you have burst no bubble. If others could claim the same as Jesus claimed, then why did the Jews pick up stones to kill him?

Jews were quite legalistic in the day and would not have stoned Jesus for claiming to be older than Moses.

Jews didn't go around stoning people from claiming to be God. They would just consider the source. But, the difference is Jesus actually claimed the personal name God gave Moses. The Jews knew exactly what He claimed.

Notice Jesus never corrected the Jews.

If he had wanted to claim only that he existed before Abraham, it would have been simpler to say,‘Before Abraham was, I was.’

Jesus says,‘Before Abraham was born, I am.’ Whatever doubts may attach themselves to whether ego eimi should be taken absolutely in verses 24, 28, here there can be none. Moreover, the strong linguistic connections to Isaiah 40-55 are supported by obvious links: cf.‘I, the Lord’— with the first of them and the last — I am he’(Isaiah 41:4); ‘Yes, and from ancient days I am he’(Isaiah 43:13). Cf. Psalm 90:2. That the Jews take up stones to kill him presupposes they understand these words as some kind of blasphemous claim to deity.

And if we suppose that the conversation was carried on in Aramaic or even Hebrew, then Jesus could have uttered the very words ’ ani hu’ as though he were applying them to himself.

Bryant wrote:

Jesus was hardly frightened for his life. He rode into Jerusalem knowing he would die.

Then why did he not declare openly?

Bryant, you must keep in mind that the gospels were not written as scriptures.

That was not the aim. They were written as biographies and stories based on hearsay.

There was no scripture, so four were picked out of the lot.

For example, you know very well that the story of the prostitute being saved by Jesus is a hoax as it was not never present in John's original manuscript and other ancient manuscripts.

Same goes for Mark and others. So, there have been lots of additions.

BMZ

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Then why did he not declare openly?
Bryant, you must keep in mind that the gospels were not written as scriptures.
That was not the aim. They were written as biographies and stories based on hearsay.
There was no scripture, so four were picked out of the lot.
For example, you know very well that the story of the prostitute being saved by Jesus is a hoax as it was not never present in John's original manuscript and other ancient manuscripts.
Same goes for Mark and others. So, there have been lots of additions.
BMZ

BMZ, why do we have to go over topics we have already addressed? Why don't you start keeping notes or something?

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BMZ, why do we have to go over topics we have already addressed? Why don't you start keeping notes or something?

Nothing has been addressed, Bryant. You guys give Cop Out answers and I simply ignore your silly replies.

Christianity has so many silly verses and false claims to show that Jesus was God or claimed to be God.

That Jesus claimed this and Jesus claimed that, does not prove that he declared and confirmed this or that.

There should be substance in a statement and I do not find any substance at all in verses quoted to such a silly huge claim that Jesus was God, while we do not see him doing that.

I can quote you more than a hundred verses from the NT showing statements direct from his own mouth that he was not God.

Just take a look at the doubting Thomas' most exploited silly remark, "My lord and my God!"

Did Jesus ask any of them, "Am I your Lord and your God?" Was this the topic being discussed?

The answer is a solid NO!

Had the other disciples earlier confirmed the same, "Our Lord and our God!"?

Again the answer is a firm NO!

And when Jesus said something like this, "You have believed because you have seen me", was Jesus confirming that the doubting Thomas had believed that Jesus was God because he had seen him?

We can see that Thomas did not believe that Jesus was back again. He had already considered him dead and gone.

It also shows that they were never really told about the three days and three nights story, which was concocted later.

Thomas did not believe that he was back. It means he knew nothing of 3D and 3N. He thought it was a ghost, so touched him and believed that the man was not a ghost but really Jesus.

So, was John using a doubter's silly remark, to show that Jesus was God?
Is that what you think and do you think you are Right?

If you say right, you are going into more problems because John in the end, contradicts himself and repudiates by saying:

31But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

So, finally John sums up by giving his personal view that Jesus was the messiah and the son of God. He did not ask you to believe that Jesus was God. Did he?

John does not confirm that Jesus is God. So, how can you show via John's gospel that Jesus was or is God?

John repudiates that flatly in the end.

This is a Fact which not a single Christian can deny!

That Jesus is God, cannot be proved or shown through John's gospel at all.

John's gospel dismissed. Next gospel, please.

BMZ