Jesus Didn't Say Anything About....

Wayfollower wrote:

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There is evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible.
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.h...

Josephus :

"About this time came Jesus, a wise man, if indeed it is appropriate to call him a man. For he was a performer of paradoxical feats, a teacher of people who accept the unusual with pleasure, and he won over many of the Jews and also many Greeks. He was the Christ. When Pilate, upon the accusation of the first men amongst us, condemned him to be crucified, those who had formerly loved him did not cease to follow him, for he appeared to them on the third day, living again, as the divine prophets foretold, along with a myriad of other marvellous things concerning him. And the tribe of the Christians, so named after him, has not disappeared to this day"

Concerns have been raised about the authenticity of the passage, and it is widely held by scholars that at least part of the passage has been altered by a later scribe. The Testimonium's authenticity has attracted much scholarly discussion and controversy of interpolation. Louis H. Feldman counts 87 articles published during the period of 1937–1980, "the overwhelming majority of which question its authenticity in whole or in part."[81] Judging from Alice Whealey's 2003 survey of the historiography, it seems that the majority of modern scholars consider that Josephus really did write something here about Jesus, but that the text that has reached us is corrupt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...

Written in 93ce, once again, hearsay.

Wayfollower wrote:

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There is evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible.
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.h...

Pliny the Younger (61ce-115ce):

"Christians ... asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so." – Pliny to Trajan, Letters 10.96-97.

Once again, no reference to Jesus. Only christians. And moreover, can only be hearsay.

Wayfollower wrote:

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There is evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible.
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.h...

You may want to read something other than christian apologist propoganda.

madscot wrote:

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You may want to read something other than christian apologist propoganda.

And what, listen to your "apologist propoganda"?... I'll get right on it...

Punisher wrote:

<quoted text>So what about anything in the Bible is gonna help those kids? Decades and decades of various missions to help and still they starve, among many other places...
How come your God doesnt help them ??? Why in all the years, rather centuries of people suffering due to nothing but geography, has he not ever intervened and simply fixed one problem...? Not one.
Oh right, its Adam and Eves fault....again...

No, it's YOUR and my fault too. Sin is rampant. What have YOU personally done to help starving kids? You and other atheist idiots don't want God and don't believe on God. Give me one reason He should dance to your tune?

madscot wrote:

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Tacitus :
"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind".
He only mentions christians and where they got the name. Written in 116ce, it is merely an example of hearsay.

You keep telling your frightened ego that.

madscot wrote:

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You may want to read something other than christian apologist propoganda.

You may want to read something other than the blatantly biased "jesusneverexisted" garbage.

madscot wrote:

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Pliny the Younger (61ce-115ce):
"Christians ... asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so." – Pliny to Trajan, Letters 10.96-97.
Once again, no reference to Jesus. Only christians. And moreover, can only be hearsay.

Of course you're going to say all of this; you have absolutely NO desire to believe, so you will find fault with everything, no matter how convincing! The fact that they mention Christ and Christians is proof that they considered it good enough info. to include in their histories. So either they are of no repute as historians or they are giving an account of Jesus. Also, many of them are non-believers, which makes it all the more likely that they are saying the truth as they know it, or else they would simply leave Jesus out as many others have done, probably due to their biases! And, yes, Josephus is believed to have been exagerated upon, but the likelihood is that much of it was real and someone added a bit to it, which over exagerated the truth, but that doesn't mean the basic truth wasn't there.

Cliff09 wrote:

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He is talking about the New Law (Testament) he is preaching: before that has been completed, not one jot of the law shall pass: God can change his law anytime, as
he did with jesus, and as he has done in the past with the jews: this is the new law, the old laws are dead: safe they are held alive with the doctrine of Jesus: thou shalt
do no murder, for example.
MAT 26: 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
HEB 9: 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Not true. Jesus was speaking of the Old Law.

Otherwise, John 7:19 ("Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law") would make no sense at all.

Sola Scriptura wrote:

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And you not being able to understand anything unless it is written in big letters with crayons is becoming a little tiresome. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION, so is BEASTIALITY. BUT, since you atheists and fake Chruistians say Jesus never said anything about homosexuality and assumne it is all right, He never said anything about beastiality either so by YOUR twisted logic, beastiality must be all right. Never mind if the animal consents or not, it makes no difference to the gays.

No. Talk about tiresome, its you, you own the term. Humans in a relationship can agree to or not to have sexual congress - not so with an animal. The animal is akin to a child in this case and I don't condone sex with either.

For a straight man, you sure seem to KNOW what motivates each and every Gay person. Are you claiming that all gay people force sex on others who refuse them...?

Sorry, but my logic is damn solid, and not all twisted up like yours and/or what you claim is mine...

Sola Scriptura wrote:

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No, it's YOUR and my fault too. Sin is rampant. What have YOU personally done to help starving kids? You and other atheist idiots don't want God and don't believe on God. Give me one reason He should dance to your tune?

Personally, I feed a few of my kids friends I know are underfed. On a larger scale, I donate to charity...my charitable hands-on interests lie elsewhere...

He doesnt have to dance to my specific tune, just do something besides lay around doing nothing but maybe curing 98yo Grandma, while the young mother dies in the next room - or regrow a few veterans limbs, or heal their facial scaring, etc...

Do something real, not imagined by Believers...

Sola Scriptura wrote:

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No, it's YOUR and my fault too. Sin is rampant. What have YOU personally done to help starving kids? You and other atheist idiots don't want God and don't believe on God. Give me one reason He should dance to your tune?

Psst, its not my or your fault that droughts keep hitting certain places over and over...or natural disasters wipe a region clean of fertile soil, etc...not our faults, nor the people living there...

Wayfollower wrote:

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Of course you're going to say all of this; you have absolutely NO desire to believe, so you will find fault with everything, no matter how convincing! The fact that they mention Christ and Christians is proof that they considered it good enough info. to include in their histories. So either they are of no repute as historians or they are giving an account of Jesus. Also, many of them are non-believers, which makes it all the more likely that they are saying the truth as they know it, or else they would simply leave Jesus out as many others have done, probably due to their biases! And, yes, Josephus is believed to have been exagerated upon, but the likelihood is that much of it was real and someone added a bit to it, which over exagerated the truth, but that doesn't mean the basic truth wasn't there.

False.

Wayfollower wrote:

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Of course you're going to say all of this; you have absolutely NO desire to believe, so you will find fault with everything, no matter how convincing! The fact that they mention Christ and Christians is proof that they considered it good enough info. to include in their histories. So either they are of no repute as historians or they are giving an account of Jesus. Also, many of them are non-believers, which makes it all the more likely that they are saying the truth as they know it, or else they would simply leave Jesus out as many others have done, probably due to their biases! And, yes, Josephus is believed to have been exagerated upon, but the likelihood is that much of it was real and someone added a bit to it, which over exagerated the truth, but that doesn't mean the basic truth wasn't there.

That's like saying in 50 years "now there were people who followed a man named Harry Potter and was said to be a wizard". Many of the people that wrote about Harry Potter were non wizard believers and had many biases!

And Josephus wasn't just "exagerated" upon. His words were erased and replaced with BS by christians. This is why any thing christians do should be looked at with suspicion. Your track records for this kind of stuff isn't exemplar.

Wayfollower wrote:

Of course you're going to say all of this; you have absolutely NO desire to believe, so you will find fault with everything, no matter how convincing! The fact that they mention Christ and Christians is proof that they considered it good enough info. to include in their histories. So either they are of no repute as historians or they are giving an account of Jesus. Also, many of them are non-believers, which makes it all the more likely that they are saying the truth as they know it, or else they would simply leave Jesus out as many others have done, probably due to their biases! And, yes, Josephus is believed to have been exagerated upon, but the likelihood is that much of it was real and someone added a bit to it, which over exagerated the truth, but that doesn't mean the basic truth wasn't there.

Why would a Christian feel the need to stretch the truth?

madscot wrote:

That's like saying in 50 years "now there were people who followed a man named Harry Potter and was said to be a wizard". Many of the people that wrote about Harry Potter were non wizard believers and had many biases!
And Josephus wasn't just "exagerated" upon. His words were erased and replaced with BS by christians. This is why any thing christians do should be looked at with suspicion. Your track records for this kind of stuff isn't exemplar.

For a modern day example, we only need look at creationists and religious apologists. They have no interest in the truth whatsoever.

Cliff09 wrote:

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And all of a sudden you, too are playing wise: are you just following the fools on this forum???
a) I never contradict myself.
b) Jesus did not live a sinless life, for else he would not need to baptize: and he did, receiving the Holy Ghost straight from heaven.
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I always knew there was some reason I didn't warm up to your posts and explanations and you finally show your hand. Jesus DID lead a sinless life and NEVER sinned!

FSM wrote:

<quoted text>Why would a Christian feel the need to stretch the truth?

I didn't say Christians stretched it, though perhaps they did out of a desire to make it sound less secular/non-believer oriented.

Wayfollower wrote:

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There is evidence of Jesus outside of the Bible.
http://www.gotquestions.org/did-Jesus-exist.h...

The first extra-Biblical evidence for Christ is 'much of it was destroyed in the sack of Jerusalem'. How frigging stupid do you have to be to think anything that follows is worth the paper it's written on?

"We should not be surprised, then, if much evidence of Jesus' existence was destroyed."

Wow!!!!!!!!!! The evidence for Jesus historical existence is so overwhelming that it is an insult to the intelligence to have to even address. However, the world being what it is, there are people who still believe that the Earth is flat. I mean-the evidence for it being flat is actually quite compelling ONLY IF-one does not or has not ever done a proper study of Geography. In fact, the denial people have of just one person-just one person-out of the billions who lived all throughout antiquity speaks volumes in and of itself. Furthermore, Wow!!!! This is just mind boggling!!! The stupidity people display!!!!!! Anyway.......the Jews themselves....deniers of Christ if any one people are deniers. They themselves make it explicitly clear that yes!!!! Of course Jesus-Yeshua existed!!!!!!!!! That is not, and in fact, never has been a question at all!!!!!!!!!!NO!!!! The only thing they deny are the Christian claims about the Divinity and associated miracles of Jesus. Again!!!!!....Again!!!!!!!!!Hi s historicity is not an dnever has been in doubt. It is so absurdly pathetic why atheists say that obviously Jesus did not exist and then go out of their way to say it!!!!!!!!!!Why not just shut up?? If it is all so 'obvious', then stop beating your chests over it.