trying to solve the mormonism mystery

it appears that theres some contradictions with what the mnormon doctrine of covbenants book teaches on theorigins of God the father. We know that in the bible in Isaiah, it says jesus is"unto us a son is born unto us a son is given... and his name shall be called wonderful,counseleor,mighty God,everlasting FATHER,prince of peace". so thus jesus is the Father too. Also bible says that "out of bethelhem would be born unto Me who is to ruler in israel whos goings forth have been from old ,from EVERLASTING". this shows that jesus has always existed, he was not created by the Father,because He is of The Father,always existed with Him. He became a son by becoming a human man. thats when the Father,a part of the substance of His spirit became a man,it wasnt like the mormons say He was a man long before the earth was formed. I find a curious contradiction how in the book of Mormon ,in 1 Nephipage 25,it says what the bible says"the Lamb is the father",also in moroni 8:18. and other places in Mormon book says jesus was without beginning of days. Yet it is strange how in the later book of mormon Doctrines and covenants,there is a contradiction to the Bible and book of mormon. as passage 130:22. seems either joseph smith forgot to correlate his theology.

window wrote:

it appears that theres some contradictions with what the mnormon doctrine of covbenants book teaches on theorigins of God the father. We know that in the bible in Isaiah, it says jesus is"unto us a son is born unto us a son is given... and his name shall be called wonderful,counseleor,mighty God,everlasting FATHER,prince of peace". so thus jesus is the Father too. Also bible says that "out of bethelhem would be born unto Me who is to ruler in israel whos goings forth have been from old ,from EVERLASTING". this shows that jesus has always existed, he was not created by the Father,because He is of The Father,always existed with Him. He became a son by becoming a human man. thats when the Father,a part of the substance of His spirit became a man,it wasnt like the mormons say He was a man long before the earth was formed. I find a curious contradiction how in the book of Mormon ,in 1 Nephipage 25,it says what the bible says"the Lamb is the father",also in moroni 8:18. and other places in Mormon book says jesus was without beginning of days. Yet it is strange how in the later book of mormon Doctrines and covenants,there is a contradiction to the Bible and book of mormon. as passage 130:22. seems either joseph smith forgot to correlate his theology.

Yeah, he was a regular sheister.

if josephsmith did not plagiarize the book of mormon ,then maybe it was truly given to him by a spirit after all. but the later doctrines an dcovenants are blatantly in some places not to be trusted,because they contradict the bible in discussing the origins of God the Father,jesus, and they also assume human life preexisted before mortality. then what did people look like before their parents came together to form their uniqie genetic look? wierd, this doctrines an dcovenants book is not to be trusted. the book of mormon can possibly be trusted however. but even it is unsure what the the spirit moroni was up to if it was indeed from him. was moroni a demon,a or a deceased spirit person indeed trying to plan a religion. What was the agenda? Then did the real jesus come to smith and allow him to eventually start a church that would degrade into later false doctrines,mainly in chapetr 130:22, that later would erupt out of the covenants and doctrines from kirtland ohio? something fishy going on there. smith maybe got to truly speak to Jesus at first,and maybe book of mormon is true,but i certainly distrust the book of doctrines an dcovenants because of their contradictions to the Bible on God's origins,and even in th esubject of marriage after the resurrection.In the bible, Jesus explicitly taught theres no marriage among people on the day of the resurrection. However smith says theres indeed eternal marriage among the exalted saints who have passed trhough death. its a contradiction to jesus teaching! thus doctrines and covenants is from a lieing spirit,but not from Moroni,but another one.

If Moroni had planned to indeed bring a real religion,maybe book of mormon is right. but maybe joseph smith was with such a tremendous spiritual gift of channeling spirit communication,that he was later corrupted by false spirits when he was living in kirtland ohio writing some of the book of "Doctrine and covenants". they essentially,corrupted the religion that if indeed it was Jesus who came to him to start a church,had thus they corrupted by channeling false teaching to smith. partly,smith became enamored in channeling new information by occultic ways and so,he started thinking each new revelation was from God,but it was not always, or if ever. the agenda would be to create a false teaching to lead astray peopel from orthodox truth of the bible. its so important in life's quest to search an dknow the Truth. Its an eventual reward from God,and cant be corrupted.

I'm pretty convinced he was just a liar and conman who invented it all.

heres one more thing i find strange, if the book of mormon teaches that it i ssinful to lie about things and will demote a person from the highest heaven to a purgatory,how is it Joseph smith had the courage to lie about the things he was writing an dknow he would get demoted? thats why i question the plagiarism theory,it would have bothered his conscience. If he didnt have a conscience,then how could he believed in God truly and lie at the same time an dwrite that leing is sinful? Jopsweph smith would have had to been an atheist writing religious fiction and pretending to be a godly man.If there is not really a God who would punish him,then he had nothing to worry about. maybe he was trying to consolidate religion as a power base for prestige and popularity. thats a possible theory,if he was who wrote the book of mormon from scratch. However, after writing that much religious brilliancy himself,i would thinkanyone would eventually go from atheism to true belief,and believe what they were writing was true. that narrows it down to most likely,with all good conscience,and not being an atheist, he was truly receiving his information from outside supernatural sources. question is ,was the book of mormon really from God ? and a good spirit from God,since it seems to correlate with the Bible. but the later book of "doctrine and covenants" and "pearl of great price" have many contradictions to the bible. they definetely are not from God,these latter teachings where they contradict the Bible.

Maybe he was a liar and off his rocker.

11:26 am, Tuesday, December 20, 2011:
RE: trying to solve the mormonism mystery
..... Anyone, anywhere, can invent a belief system and associated writings to maximize the amount of money that can be extracted from gullible members; if mysteries help, then mysteries are included in the teachings. Nobody should believe that whatever stories are included are history!

mcboozerilla wrote:

Maybe he was a liar and off his rocker.

youre possibly right,maybe smith was just a liar. sounds like he had no conscience to lie about stuff and yet preach against lieing in his teachings. almost makes me think he was an atheist because otherwise,he would be afraid that God,if he does exist,would punish him for lieing and twisting the bible's teachings. heres the possibilty,smith was either an atheist,pretending to be religious,a master of religious writing style to consolidte power and prestige, or he was delusional(yet seems strange since he was so intellectual), and thirdly,he was being deceived by the devil pretending to be God speaking to him. choose one of these. but smith wasnt true,because his doctrines an dcovenants book contradicts the bible in some places.mainly in section 130,and 132.they are opposed to true teaching. For example,Section 132 of doctrines an dcovenants book versus Luke 20:32 on the concept of marriage and reproduction after physical death. Luke 20:32 is from Jesus,the truth. yet,smith tried to over ride that scripture.