What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

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Oxbow wrote:

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You are hallucinating...low grade Mexico grass does that!!!!!!

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pfcratzinger wrote:

oxbow, typical scripture-spewing nutcase looking for bits and pieces of bad mythology and worse doggrel to quote in support of whatever wacko view he has
as opposed to the fanatic catholics
who just spew garbage generated by generations of jabbering theologicians and plotting popes who never fed the poor or comforted the sick because they were too busy making up dogma

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Punisher wrote:

<quoted text>Low grade weed, ditch weed, etc, is not going to cause hallucinations. That's why its low grade...its a waste of ones time to smoke it. Crappy weed, unlike alcohol such as moonshine that can "out-perform" the expensive good stuff, does not perform like the high grade stuff.
Plus medical research doesn't use ditch weed in their studies, they use the good stuff, grown specifically for that purpose - so its doubtful JAMA posted any such info, re; low grade Mexican ditch weed.

OldJG wrote:

Patriot, please finish our discussion by answering the questions.
Your quote, "No,our making slips and slides will not send us to hell long as we get back on the right track." End quote.
What if they never had an opportunity to get back on the "right track" due to death? Do they go to hell?
Your quote, "one can slip and stumble but they can be back in the right way by confession, repenting,praying and doing right.i.e walking in the light as he is in the light we have fellow ship with him. that is in 1 John chap 1 around V7 or so." End quote.
What if they are not able to make confession, repent, pray or doing right? What happens then?
Finally, do you admit you were lost prior to coming to Jesus?

Oxbow wrote:

The words of Christ are clear enough:'And if he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican'(Matthew 18:17); 'He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that dispeth you, despiseth Me; and he that dispiseth Me, despiseth Him that sent Me'(Luke 10:16); 'He that believeth not shall be condemned'(Mark 16:16); 'He that doth not believe, is already judged'(John 3:18); 'He that is not with Me, is against Me; and he that gathereth not with Me, scattereth'(Luke 11:23). The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned'(Titus 3:11); the Prince of the Apostles calls the 'false prophets… who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction'(2 Peter 2:1)."[8]
Pope Pius IX The Syllabus of Errors, attached to Encyclical Quanta Cura, 1864:[The following are prescribed errors:] "16. Men can, in the cult of any religion, find the way of eternal salvation and attain eternal salvation.- Encyclical Qui pluribus, November 9, 1846.
"17. One ought to at least have good hope for the eternal salvation of all those who in no way dwell in the true Church of Christ.- Encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863, etc."
Pope Leo XIII (1878–1903), Encyclical Annum Ingressi Sumus: "This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church."
idem, Encyclical Sapientiae Christianae: "He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God."
Pope St. Pius X (1903–1914), Encyclical Jucunda Sane: "It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation."
Pope Benedict XV (1914–1922), Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum: "Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
Pope Pius XI (1922–1939), Encyclical Mortalium Animos: "The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation… Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Encyclical Humani Generis, August 12, 1950: "Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Allocution to the Gregorian University (17 October 1953): "By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."
Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain to it.
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Oxbow wrote:

The words of Christ are clear enough:'And if he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican'(Matthew 18:17); 'He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that dispeth you, despiseth Me; and he that dispiseth Me, despiseth Him that sent Me'(Luke 10:16); 'He that believeth not shall be condemned'(Mark 16:16); 'He that doth not believe, is already judged'(John 3:18); 'He that is not with Me, is against Me; and he that gathereth not with Me, scattereth'(Luke 11:23). The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned'(Titus 3:11); the Prince of the Apostles calls the 'false prophets… who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction'(2 Peter 2:1)."[8]
Pope Pius IX The Syllabus of Errors, attached to Encyclical Quanta Cura, 1864:[The following are prescribed errors:] "16. Men can, in the cult of any religion, find the way of eternal salvation and attain eternal salvation.- Encyclical Qui pluribus, November 9, 1846.
"17. One ought to at least have good hope for the eternal salvation of all those who in no way dwell in the true Church of Christ.- Encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863, etc."
Pope Leo XIII (1878–1903), Encyclical Annum Ingressi Sumus: "This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church."
idem, Encyclical Sapientiae Christianae: "He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God."
Pope St. Pius X (1903–1914), Encyclical Jucunda Sane: "It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation."
Pope Benedict XV (1914–1922), Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum: "Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
Pope Pius XI (1922–1939), Encyclical Mortalium Animos: "The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation… Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Encyclical Humani Generis, August 12, 1950: "Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Allocution to the Gregorian University (17 October 1953): "By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."
Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain to it.
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Oxbow wrote:

Sola scriptura was the rallying cry of the Protestant Reformation. For centuries the Roman Catholic Church had made its traditions superior in authority to the Bible. This resulted in many practices that were in fact contradictory to the Bible. Some examples are prayer to saints and/or Mary, the immaculate conception, transubstantiation, infant baptism, indulgences, and papal authority. Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran Church and father of the Protestant Reformation, was publicly rebuking the Catholic Church for its unbiblical teachings. The Catholic Church threatened Martin Luther with excommunication (and death) if he did not recant. Martin Luther's reply was,“Unless therefore I am convinced by the testimony of Scripture, or by the clearest reasoning, unless I am persuaded by means of the passages I have quoted, and unless they thus render my conscience bound by the Word of God, I cannot and will not retract, for it is unsafe for a Christian to speak against his conscience. Here I stand, I can do no other; may God help me! Amen!”
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the perfect idiot wrote:

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So I am taking it by your posts that you REALLY LOVE Paul, that no person can be Christian unless they say by Paul they are Christian?
Did I get the context of what you are trying to say?
You are saying no person can be a Christian and also Say that Paul is the false prophet, correct?
The problem you are going to have with this, is Paul is the false prophet of Revelations.

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Nettiebelle wrote:

<quoted text>The Catholic Church, and this includes the Pope, never has said or will ever say who goes to hell or heaven except for canonized saints.
Period.
You are wrong.
Give us the scripture FROM the Bible saying that the Bible says it is all you need.
Fact is, it says the opposite.

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<quoted text>The Catholic Church, and this includes the Pope, never has said or will ever say who goes to hell or heaven except for canonized saints.

Nettiebelle wrote:

<quoted text> who goes to hell or heaven except for canonized saints.

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the perfect idiot wrote:

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And Again I tell you, Paul is the false prophet of Revelations.
The false Prophet is not some Indian Dude, or some Muslim, it is right there IN THE BIBLE, Paul.
Who from the Beginning Was FOR HIRE.
The Bible is actually pretty easy to understand, and while you look outward to see a false prophet, the Bible has already Provided a false prophet for itself within itself, and it is Paul.
One of the Prophets of the Bible IS A false prophet.
It IS ALL in the BIBLE.
Which one is the false prophet?

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the perfect idiot wrote:

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And Again I tell you, Paul is the false prophet of Revelations.
The false Prophet is not some Indian Dude, or some Muslim, it is right there IN THE BIBLE, Paul.
Who from the Beginning Was FOR HIRE.
The Bible is actually pretty easy to understand, and while you look outward to see a false prophet, the Bible has already Provided a false prophet for itself within itself, and it is Paul.
One of the Prophets of the Bible IS A false prophet.
It IS ALL in the BIBLE.
Which one is the false prophet?

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Oxbow wrote:

Good new for you ITB!!!!!!
A recent poll shows that most U.S. Catholics support same-sex marriage, defying Vatican edicts. The conflict is pitting the Church against the conscience of its faithful, many of whom are struggling with inner turmoil.

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Patriot wrote:

FYI
The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a Supreme Being, e.g., In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described “secular humanism” as a religion which is, get this - a State Mandated religion - see first link below for a little "Truth" of what's going on behind the curtain and is the foundation of the NWO - see second link below (remember, it is 'revealed' Satan wants worship and to be obeyed/worshipped as GOD & then remember this: http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/14-6.... - pay special attention to vs 7 and the word "Worship" - it's a BIG deal http://bible.cc/revelation/13-15.htm , http://bible.cc/romans/6-16.htm , http://bible.cc/matthew/4-10.htm ), which is fulfilling "The Revelation of Jesus Christ which GOD gave him to show his servants..." Revelation 1:1, which is The Testimony of Jesus Christ, which is prophecy given Him by the Spirit of GOD, see third link below.
It's ALL Real folks! And this is what He wants: "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and Truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks." How do we recognize "Truth": The Testimony of the One GOD sent - Jesus Christ - http://bible.cc/hebrews/10-5.htm , http://bible.cc/john/14-6.htm
1st: http://www.newtotalitarians.com/index_files/S...
2nd:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebea...
3rd:
http://bible.cc/revelation/19-10.htm