Nobel winner slams Bible as 'handbook of bad morals'

Bill wrote:

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Fibber McGee Yoyo. Find the post where I have said anything remotely like this quote of yours that you attribute to me: "So now you're saying that your religion isn't about faith?"

You said something like in the end, your religion is about faith. And I said I rest my case. You should be able to find it.

Bill: And just look at all those petty grievances of yours.

Misinforming people about science and forcing school districts to
spend a million dollars to keep their nonsense out of the science classes is not petty. Saying religious belief is truth or fact when it is only belief is not petty. Twisting young minds with ideas like the trinity is monotheistic and thereby creating cognitive dissonance in the you is not petty.

Bill: What are they really but the ranting and raving of a ridiculous little chump with a big chip on his shoulder? It's an invisible chip, to be sure. But it's yours. It's right there on your boney, stooped shoulder. And it's very big.

AY: Poor Bill. He has nothing but personal attack to argue with. Not very "xtian", Billy boy.

Bill" My oh my. What's a chump with a chip on his shoulder to do? All I can think of is maybe you should stay locked in and secluded. Christians aren't going to disappear just because you're so miserable about it.

AY: Don't flatter yourself. I have truth on my side. You religionists are getting so crazy, you are dangers to yourselves.

Bill: Fibber McGee Yoyo. Find the post where I have said anything remotely like this quote of yours that you attribute to me: "So now you're saying that your religion isn't about faith?"

AY: So is your religion about faith or isn't it? Doesn't your church extol the virtues of faith over reason? There certainly isn't evidence for the supernatural in the Bible, so all that's left is faith.

Bill aka Bunt, lives in Cambodia. Haven't they suffered enough?

Abbey Yoyo wrote:

Bill: Sounds to me like you're not happy at all living in America. Doesn't look to me that you're doing anything to effectively address the faults you find in our nation. Don't you love your homeland? Wouldn't you be better placed living in the land you love than in America, a nation you despise?
AY: The authoritarian's answer to every complaint: Like it or lump it. Shape up or ship out.

"Since leaving fundamentalism I have noticed that contrary to what I used to preach, most atheists seem to be deeply concerned with human values. Why is this? Perhaps it's because any person who has the impulse,(and the courage) to be identified as an atheist in today's society must be deeply motivated by something. Maybe it's:
.Anger at religious immorality
.Disgust with superstitious anti-intellectualism
.Fear of the dangers of Xtian intolerance
.Dissatisfaction with the way religious divisiveness interferes with true compassion
.Empathy for the victims of sectarian bigotry
.Outrage at the hypocrisy of believers
.Impatience with the churches that actively retard social progress "-Godless, Dan Barker, pg. 99

"What about faith? Some believers agree with us atheists that the evidence for god is weak, even nonexistent. Many concur that the arguments for god are ultimately unconvincing unless you are predisposed to believe. It all comes down to faith, they say. Faith would be unnecessary, they remind us, if god's existence were proved to be a blunt fact of reality. There would be no way to separate the good believers from the (bad) unbelievers. Since faith is a virtue, proof of god's existence would deny us the opportunity to impress god with our character.

But, this is a huge cop out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are admitting that the assertion can't be taken on its own merits. If something is true, we don't invoke faith. Instead, we use reason to prove it. Faith is intellectual bankruptcy. With faith, you don't have to put any work into proving your case or overcoming objections. You can "just believe."

Truth does not ask to be believed. It asks to be tested. Scientists do not join hands every Saturday or Sunday and sing "Yes, gravity is real, gravity is real! I know gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up, must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about the concept.

Faith is actually agnosticism. Faith is what you use when you don't have knowledge.-Godless, Dan Barker, page 101.

What has happened to the topic--

The bible is a handbook of bad morals!!

Perhaps a little accounting will help make that case.

The number of people the bible says were killed:

by God 2,391,212

by Satan 18

You decide which one is the evil one.

You decide if this wholesale slaughter by the god of the bible
is a lesson in morality
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My first act when entering a hotel room is to ,search for the gideon bible.

I immediate take that evil book out of the room.

I deposit in the nearest trash bin.

I can not be at rest in a room with that violent, immoral book.

Economist wrote:

My first act when entering a hotel room is to ,search for the gideon bible.
I immediate take that evil book out of the room.
I deposit in the nearest trash bin.
I can not be at rest in a room with that violent, immoral book.

I'm a gona tell on you!

Economist wrote:

My first act when entering a hotel room is to ,search for the gideon bible.
I immediate take that evil book out of the room.
I deposit in the nearest trash bin.
I can not be at rest in a room with that violent, immoral book.

It's just a story book to me. Do you watch horror movies?

Here's my penny opinion. Do I believe in god? Yes I do.
Do I believe in the existence of "something"? Yes, something exists otherwise I wouldn't be here.

Now, unlike major religions who think that humans were made by having god as a model, I think that religious humans imagine god by having humans as a model difficult to detatch from. It's actually the opposite.
God, aka, the whole universe including us, works by logical principles that are being discovered by us. That process of discovery is called science - god discovering himself.

As part of the universe, we're just a small portion of god. The whole god doesn't function by ethical or moralistic principles, it doesn't cry or laugh, it doesn't speak English or any other human language, it doesn't say: do this and don't do that. It just works by the laws of nature.
It's natural laws give us clues about dos and don'ts here, but this is a constant process of learning and making mistakes.

Makes sense? I am explaining the fundamental differences between atheists and religious people.
But apart fromn this little detail, whe're not that far apart.