Is the Christian God irrational and unfair?

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A religious personís belief is determined by the country of their birth. If a person is born in Afghanistan they have a 99.8% chance of living their lives as Muslims and dying in the Muslim faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...

If you were born in Greece, you have a 99.1% chance of living your life as a Christian and dying in the Christian faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_...

The Christian Bible says if any person rejects Jesus as their savior & redeemer, they are lost and condemned.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If this is true, Christianity represents an irrational and unfair God that gave none of us a choice what the country of out birth will be. Only 0.02% of the people in Afghanistan believe in Jesus and 99.1% of the people believe in Jesus that live in Greece.
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You are entirely correct that its this irrationality and luck of the draw geography that dictates who believes in what. Its entirely cultural and most christians don't see that fact.

Sure they try to rationalize their faith and lack of representation in non christian aligned nations and cultures by saying that there is still alot of people from x number of countries that are practising christians. But the fact remains that its all a game in geographical luck of the draw. Thats if you consider being born in a christian nation, lucky.

Most discerning minds will stay away from the utter convoluted and contradictory nature of the bible and the christian god altogether. However there are a few instances whereby family or friend pressures we are sometimes coerced into appeasing the majority and give christianity a chance. Although it is seldom a rewarding choice. The minute you immediately are bombarded with mystical references and quotes and relentless superstition and wishful thinking is the moment most of us will want to jump out the window. But I am sure out of the millions that do persevere, there may be a handful that at least get some moral support from it. They should be so lucky, because most of us unbelievers that give it a chance just cannot reconcile the sheer obliviousness and blind reverence required sometimes.
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So the Christian should evangelize. Many times going to a hostile world.
Are you hostile to Christian efforts to preach salvation in these areas that don't have much Christian community?
Out of all the people in the world, only 8 got on the ark.

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a Muslim can still choose life within their own religion, by following, with whatever faith they have, the goodness and truth they find there as it aligns with the truth as it's been written in their hearts by God.
so can any person of any faith, or not particular faith at all.
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GRAY KNIGHT wrote:
I have chosen to be a Christian.If I am wrong and was worshipping a false God all these years,then I will suffer,not you.If I was(and am)right I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.It's a No brainer for me.
Taking Pascal's wager is definitely the "no brainer" option.

http://arc-t.org/arc-tiquities/debates-pascal...
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A religious personís belief is determined by the country of their birth. If a person is born in Afghanistan they have a 99.8% chance of living their lives as Muslims and dying in the Muslim faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
If you were born in Greece, you have a 99.1% chance of living your life as a Christian and dying in the Christian faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_...
The Christian Bible says if any person rejects Jesus as their savior & redeemer, they are lost and condemned.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If this is true, Christianity represents an irrational and unfair God that gave none of us a choice what the country of out birth will be. Only 0.02% of the people in Afghanistan believe in Jesus and 99.1% of the people believe in Jesus that live in Greece.
The truth behind your post is so obvious that any rational person would find it difficult to ignore. I think that many people fail to see it because they want their comfort more than they want the truth.

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FSM wrote:
<quoted text>The truth behind your post is so obvious that any rational person would find it difficult to ignore. I think that many people fail to see it because they want their comfort more than they want the truth.
You are 100% correct. Religion is still around because many people want the comfort it offers them..The comfort they get prevents them from even considering if what they believe is true. For me the truth is more valuable that anything else.

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a Muslim can still choose life within their own religion, by following, with whatever faith they have, the goodness and truth they find there as it aligns with the truth as it's been written in their hearts by God.
so can any person of any faith, or not particular faith at all.
Sorry Nettie, but the bible you believe in says that is not true. I gave the two scriptures in my OP that points that out.
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You are 100% correct. Religion is still around because many people want the comfort it offers them..The comfort they get prevents them from even considering if what they believe is true. For me the truth is more valuable that anything else.
Truth will always be secondary when emotional solace is your prime motivator. My hope is that one day when reason and logic prevail and the world becomes a scientifically literate one, then we will see a shift in all things material and immaterial.

Right now science is still grappling with problems that religion has never quite resolved or delivered upon. The promise of eternal life may seem very attractive for a believer. But when science can deliver almost the same in the way of a disease free future, then that day my friend will spell the end days of dark age mysticism and superstitious circular reasoning and the start of a true pursuit of scientific knowledge by all.

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Sorry Nettie, but the bible you believe in says that is not true. I gave the two scriptures in my OP that points that out.
God doesn't go by scripture, hon.
God goes by being ABLE to see one's soul.
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Skeeeptical wrote:
A religious personís belief is determined by the country of their birth. If a person is born in Afghanistan they have a 99.8% chance of living their lives as Muslims and dying in the Muslim faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
If you were born in Greece, you have a 99.1% chance of living your life as a Christian and dying in the Christian faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_...
The Christian Bible says if any person rejects Jesus as their savior & redeemer, they are lost and condemned.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

If this is true, Christianity represents an irrational and unfair God that gave none of us a choice what the country of out birth will be. Only 0.02% of the people in Afghanistan believe in Jesus and 99.1% of the people believe in Jesus that live in Greece.
John 3;16 has always bothered me, or rather the way its interpreted..."everlastin g life"...? Life as We humans know it is what we're doing now, not what might/could take place after we die. To me it was always a huge leap to say J-3:16 tells us its about an after-life.
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GRAY KNIGHT wrote:
I have chosen to be a Christian.If I am wrong and was worshipping a false God all these years,then I will suffer,not you.If I was(and am)right I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.It's a No brainer for me.
There's that famous Xtian humility showing - not. "If I was (AND AM) right..."

The issue for Xtians these days should be, "Am I worshiping correctly? Am I truly living what I claim is the right way to live, or giving it mostly lip-service? Is what I claim about this God, which is really delivered to me thru what thousands of others have told me about him true? And is all that I believe and do, etc, truly serving this God?"
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Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>God doesn't go by scripture, hon.
God goes by being ABLE to see one's soul.
Well it seems that many Xtians believe that what the Bible says is what the God will do, that since the Bible is His Word, and that because he never changes, neither do his words, and as such they think they know exactly what he will do...about them, and others.

I know you know this, but you cant simply ignore the facts that the Bible has long been deemed Gods unbreakable contract as to what he will do, how he will decide things and basically how he thinks about everything.(all in spite of there being no scripture to back-up those claims of exactitude)

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<quoted text>God doesn't go by scripture, hon.
God goes by being ABLE to see one's soul.
What god you talking about sugar?

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<quoted text>John 3;16 has always bothered me, or rather the way its interpreted..."everlastin g life"...? Life as We humans know it is what we're doing now, not what might/could take place after we die. To me it was always a huge leap to say J-3:16 tells us its about an after-life.
It doesn't bother me any, it was written by a man living his one life on earth just like me..What a person believes and writes down isn't going to change what is going to be..

I believe Carl Sagan when he said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

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What god you talking about sugar?
The only God there is, the God that has been around long before the written word.
And, btw, Jesus never asked that any of His words be written down, and Jesus never handed the Apostles a Bible and said here, this is all you need either.

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Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The only God there is, the God that has been around long before the written word.
That doesn't tell me anything. There are thousands of different gods proclaimed to be in existence with that description..Which one is yours?
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<quoted text> And, btw, Jesus never asked that any of His words be written down, and Jesus never handed the Apostles a Bible and said here, this is all you need either.
I agree with you, it doesn't say in the christian bible that Jesus asked that his words be written down. As a matter of fact, the people who wrote the gospels were not even alive when these alleged events happened.
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An added wrinkle to this idea is that Christians would probably admit that, since their God CREATES everyone, then that God specifically puts people -- BILLIONS OF THEM -- into Hindu or Buddhist or Muslim environments where the vast majority, as you point out, will never "come to Jesus" and are therefore good only for being tortured forever in Jesus' little torture chamber, i.e. Hell.

This, at least is fundamentalist Protestant theology. I know, Nettie, you have a somewhat different view of these things.:)
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A religious personís belief is determined by the country of their birth. If a person is born in Afghanistan they have a 99.8% chance of living their lives as Muslims and dying in the Muslim faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countrie...
If you were born in Greece, you have a 99.1% chance of living your life as a Christian and dying in the Christian faith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_...
The Christian Bible says if any person rejects Jesus as their savior & redeemer, they are lost and condemned.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
If this is true, Christianity represents an irrational and unfair God that gave none of us a choice what the country of out birth will be. Only 0.02% of the people in Afghanistan believe in Jesus and 99.1% of the people believe in Jesus that live in Greece.
What you are actually referring to is 'cultural' religion. Yes, a person in India will more than likely turn out to be a 'cultural' Hindu. Being a 'cultural' Christian doesn't get anyone into Heaven. Since you are addressing what the Bible states, then you have to include various verses that show that identifying with the Christian religion has nothing to do with the saving of the soul.

The whole argument made by some concerning remote peoples not getting fair access to hearing the Gospel bears resemblance to physically attractive women who complain about getting an unfair amount of attention from men in comparison to plain women. The people who usually complain about remote tribes, and people in non-Christian countries not getting fair access are often made by those who have been inundated with the Gospel message. The folks in foreign lands and remote tribes embrace (those that do) the Gospel with joy.

And often there seems to be a precursor to the Gospel message being brought to them:

http://www.net-burst.net/hot/pagans.htm
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Job wrote:
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What you are actually referring to is 'cultural' religion. Yes, a person in India will more than likely turn out to be a 'cultural' Hindu. Being a 'cultural' Christian doesn't get anyone into Heaven. Since you are addressing what the Bible states, then you have to include various verses that show that identifying with the Christian religion has nothing to do with the saving of the soul.
The whole argument made by some concerning remote peoples not getting fair access to hearing the Gospel bears resemblance to physically attractive women who complain about getting an unfair amount of attention from men in comparison to plain women. The people who usually complain about remote tribes, and people in non-Christian countries not getting fair access are often made by those who have been inundated with the Gospel message. The folks in foreign lands and remote tribes embrace (those that do) the Gospel with joy.
And often there seems to be a precursor to the Gospel message being brought to them:
http://www.net-burst.net/hot/pagans.htm
This is the standard, weak apologetical gloss. It never holds up very much.

1.) Jesus appears to pagan tribesmen in their dreams, and 2.) gee, a lot of Chinese are becoming Christians today.

7 billion people in the world. That's a LOT. And uncounted billions how have already lived and died since Jesus. The vast majority of them in non-western nations will NEVER "come to Jesus" or :accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior."

And they were purposely CREATED into these environments by your GOd. What is he up to?

Unless your God is a demented sadist, it simply CANNOT be true that the purpose of human spiritual life is to "come to Jesus --- OR ELSE."

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