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Full of Love wrote:

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John 1
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,
Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God
Did you ever think that what he was saying is that he didn't know Jesus,his cousin was the Messiah? The Son of God? That John didn't know until God showed John that his cousin Jesus was the Lamb of God by the signs,
hence;
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me,
Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God
32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

John Baptist didn't know Jesus his COUSIN(not brother) was the Messiah you say!

We were taught that when Jesus was born he was the Messiah! Kings came and brought him 3 gifts....his mother believed he was the Messiah. An angel told her, Mary and Joseph were told. Didn't they tell everyone?

33 years later and his COUSIN didn't know he was the Messiah? Performing miracles, making blind men see, and bringing dead men back to life, and his COUSIN didn't know about that?

How would Jesus have been baptized if he didn't bump into John the Baptist that day? What would have happened? Say Jesus just happened to be a few streets to the west and they never crossed paths.

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>You are ok in my book Michael, even if we disagree.Thats what makes life interesting.

..you too. We can't learn the truth unless we seek it, and even then people still see and interpret things differently, and in the end the truth might not ever be found.

its great to debate, and learn, and yet no one on this forum can honestly say they have a "KNOCKOUT PUNCH" of being right........even though a few catholics believe they do.

Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:

<quoted text>You are ok in my book Michael, even if we disagree.Thats what makes life interesting.

FYI: Just so you know I gave you 3 POSITIVE JUDGIES for your post..........I know that one or two catholic posters on here gave you the negative ones.

FREE LIGHT OF CATHOLICISM wrote:

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A little ouzo does that to me too.

that stuff is yucky!Its like drinking fire..lol

FREE LIGHT OF CATHOLICISM wrote:

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A little ouzo does that to me too.

To be a true Greek you gotta break some dishes...lol

Michael wrote:

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FYI: Just so you know I gave you 3 POSITIVE JUDGIES for your post..........I know that one or two catholic posters on here gave you the negative ones.

thanks for letting me know

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

Peanut if you have your EARS On Whitney will be arriving in New Jersey to be layed out and put to rest til the resurrection day.

Wrong. The soul leaves the body when God says it's leaving the body; when it is impossible for the heart of a body to ever beat again, the body's soul will rise up, and after seeing that they have died in the body and that they still have all their senses, most these days, say, "Oh my God. I'm dead." But they're not dead, like many Protestants teach, but with keen vision, they are taken over the veil to stand before their Creator

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

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When a covenant is made, there are two parties involved, and both parties agree to do
something in order to sustain that pact, or contract, or covenant. If one violates his
end of the deal, the contract is broken and becomes void. God’s end of his contract
was that he was going to “bless” Abraham with the land and with multiplying his seed
(Genesis 15:5, 17:8, 16, 20). And because Abraham believed in God, that God would keep
his promise, his belief was “counted unto him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6).

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Romans 4


1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

7th Day Catholics Rock wrote:

(Genesis 15:5, 17:8, 16, 20). And because Abraham believed in God, that God would keep
his promise, his belief was “counted unto him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6).

Snipped for space.

Romans 4
9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Romans 4
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Anthony MN wrote:

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Matt. 5:31-32 - the Lord permits divorce only for "porneia." This Greek word generally means unlawful sexual intercourse due to either blood relations (also called incest) or nonsacramental unions. The Lord does not permit divorce for "moicheia" (adultery). It is also important to note that in these cases, a marriage never existed in the first place, so the Lord is not actually permitting divorce, but a dissolution of the unlawful union.
Jesus intended this teaching for those who were in unlawful "marriages" (the marriage never existed in the first place), i.e. incest, forced marriage against one of the will of one of the parties, nonsacramental union (under a tree with a pagan doing the ceremony), etc. He did not allow divorce for "moicheia" (adultery).
If your marriages were lawful marriages in your ecclesial community, before your pastor, before God, with the vows "for better or worse, til death do us part", and you have broken those vows are have been living in an adulterous relationship since you divorced your first wife. You may think this bible verse gets you off the hook, it doesn't. Sorry.

Dodo.....how can whosoever put away his wife if he ain't married to her!!!!!!!

Fornication: harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication.

FYI....adultery is a definition of fornication!!!!! Hello!!!!!
You cannot answer can you????

Tell me Red in The Face...what does this mean in the Scripture you quoted: except in the case of fornication,except because of fornication.....

Anthony MN wrote:

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I don't question them at all. Since you usually question Catholic teaching as unbiblical, I was just informing you that they are in fact biblical.

That red in your face is starting to become you!!!!!

Anthony MN wrote:

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Jesus is God. Thanks.

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Who is the voice from Heaven? Who is my beloved Son?

In your Apostle Creed....who is sitting at the right of God??

Anthony MN wrote:

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B as in B, S as in S. More proof that you were sleeping during catechism or you were too busy chasing your next wife.
The truth about what the Catholic Church teaches:
"Does Catholicism really teach works salvation rather than salvation by grace through faith? This is the "common wisdom" among non-Catholics. Yet a careful study of the Catholic view of salvation will reveal something very different.........."
"........Catholics, therefore, do not believe in "salvation by works"-in fact, the Council of Trent actually condemned that as a heresy:
"If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural
powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema."
-Council of Trent, Sixth Session, Canon I
Rather, we believe that we are saved by grace from beginning to end: the grace of Jesus Christ regenerates us in Baptism, creates our faith, inspires salutary acts, sanctifies us through the Sacraments and will ultimately glorify us when Our Lord returns. Without grace we absolutely cannot be saved."
http://home.earthlink.net/~mysticalrose/grace...

Do you deny that the Catholics teach you must pay the debt of sins by your penance and your purgatorial sufferings??

Do you deny that this teaching is coming from Rome???

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
You response did not answer my question. Let's try it again.

So, two little boys were not saved by "God" because of men, right?

If you think "God" could have saved them, just say so, if you don't think "He" could, then also say so.

One needs to be honest in order to understand what they believe.

Making a supposition and diverting from the question, shows you are afraid to answer the question for some reason and really not to secure in your belief.

confrinting with the word wrote:

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Who is going to answer for you?

Well, I did ask you.

confrinting with the word wrote:

<quoted text>Your question is a bit rotary.

How so, please explain how my post is 'rotary'.

If anything, it is far from your description, and it shows that your belief is not true.

confrinting with the word wrote:

<quoted text>Of course God can work miracles, but even His miracles don't always 'cover' for disobedience.

You blame "God" for actions done by men, yet in the other side of your mouth, you say, "God knows". Yet "He" didn't step forward in those times of troubles, huh?

You are like this because of what men have told you to believe. Once you allow your Self to believe what is give to us by our Father, then you will realize why Jesus spoke the way he did.

confrinting with the word wrote:

<quoted text>After all, the little boys father had instructed them, and they refused his protecting word.

So let me get this straight. A man, who was supposed to be under a supervised visit with his children, instructed his two sons while he hatchet-ted them, because they refused "his protecting word".

Wow! "God" allows a man to kill his sons now, but once upon a time ago, it is believed that "He" saved a child. Why couldn't he do it this time?

Your answer will probably consist of:
a. "God is a mystery", we aren't supposed to know what "God" does

But yet you think some men centuries ago, did.

*hands you a compass*

confrinting with the word wrote:

<quoted text>Wise and loving fathers and mothers have many times stepped in to rescue disobedient children.

This one blew them up after he chopped at them. Why didn't "God" put the flame out?

Second chance....failed.

confrinting with the word wrote:

<quoted text>"HELP" is a good word when we've got ourselves into trouble.

The social worker heard them cry out this. Why didn't "God" stop the hatchet?

Third chance.....failed.

confrinting with the word wrote:

<quoted text>It's often an admission that we have discovered our error.

You now speak of Self.

Yet you don't believe what I write. Why?

confrinting with the word wrote:

<quoted text>I am secure in my belief...
KayMarie

Only because YOU allow yourSelf to be in this position.

No religion necessary.

Wanna try a third time to answer the question?

Exactly how honest are you within yourself?

'So, two little boys were not saved by "God" because of a man, right?'

Man must be more powerful in this world.

Seraphima wrote:

<quoted text>None...you are the one that is STEPS away from the truth...

Citation please.

Anthony MN wrote:

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I don't question them at all. Since you usually question Catholic teaching as unbiblical, I was just informing you that they are in fact biblical.

You should clarify this more, because Catholic teaching is only based upon one interpretation of the Bible.

marge wrote:

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And in my dismay I said, "All men are liars."

But right after "dismay" is "astonishment".

Cheer up!

Anthony MN wrote:

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Correct, we don't have the original Gospel of St. Matthew, which was in either Hebrew or Aramaic, we have the Greek. In the Greek, it says "porneia". That's not the Greek word for adultery. Had Jesus said adultery, and had the translator used the Greek word for adultery he would have used "moicheia".

The problem is that IMHO a true "Word of God" would not be so pathetically sloppy and open to interpretation.

Does God speak in Gibberish or do men just butcher and mes up everything He says ?

My money is on the latter.

Anthony MN wrote:

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Jesus is God. Thanks.

- Jesus is the savior of mankind, God made man, the Son of God equal with the Father; so is Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is born of a mortal virgin who after her death ascends to heaven and is honored as a divine being; so is Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is born in a cave on 25 December or 6 January, as is Osiris-Dionysus.

- The birth of Jesus is prophesied by a star; so is the birth of Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is born in Bethlehem, which was shaded by a grove sacred to Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is visited by the Magi, who are followers of Osiris-Dionysus.

- The Magi bring Jesus gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh, which a sixth-century BCE Pagan tells us is the way to worship God.

- Jesus is baptized, a ritual practiced for centuries in the Mysteries.

- The holy man who baptizes Jesus with water has the same name as a Pagan god of water and is born on the summer solstice celebrated as a Pagan water festival.

- Jesus offers his followers elemental baptisms of water, air and fire, as did the Pagan Mysteries.

- Jesus is portrayed as a quiet man with long hair and a beard; so is Osiris-Bionysus.

- Jesus turns water into wine at a marriage on the same day that Osiris-Dionysus was previously believed to have turned water into wine at a marriage.

- Jesus heals the sick, exorcises demons, provides miraculous meals, helps fishermen make miraculous catches of fish and calms the water for his disciples; all of these marvels had previously been performed by Pagan sages.

- Like the sages of the Mysteries, Jesus is a wandering wonder-worker who is not honored in his home town.

- Jesus is accused of licentious behavior, as were the followers of Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is not at first recognized as a divinity by his disciples, but then is transfigured before them in his glory; the same is true of Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is surrounded by 12 disciples; so is Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus rides triumphantly into town on a donkey while crowds wave branches, as does Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is a just man unjustly accused of heresy and bringing a new religion, as is Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus attacks hypocrites, stands up to tyranny and willingly goes to his death predicting he will rise again in three days, as do Pagan sages.

- Jesus is betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, a motif found in the story of Socrates.

- Jesus is equated with bread and wine, as is Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus' disciples symbolically eat bread and drink wine to commune with him, as do the followers of Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus is hung on a tree or crucified, as is Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus dies as a sacrifice to redeem the sins of the world; so does Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus' corpse is wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrh, as is the corpse of Osiris-Dionysus.

- After his death Jesus descends to hell, then on the third day resurrects before his disciples and ascends into heaven, where he is enthroned by God and waits to reappear at the end of time as a divine judge, as does Osiris-Dionysus.

- Jesus was said to have died and resurrected on exactly the same dates that the death and resurrection of Osiris-Dionysus were celebrated.

- Jesus' empty tomb is visited by three women followers; Osiris-Dionysus also has three women followers who visit an empty cave.

- Through sharing in his passion Jesus offers his disciples the chance to be born again, as does Osiris-Dionysus.

http://www.pufoin.com/pufoin_perspective/jesu...

Oxbow wrote:

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Tain't what you said earlier!!! Quote: "169 Salvation comes from God alone;" CCC
In either case you are wrong.....Catholics require the extra help of purgatory to accomplish what the saving blood of Christ could not!!!!
Hello the camp???!!!

That's not what he said.