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rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote: <quoted text>
rabbee: yes i know, you are.
why must people, keep on telling me what i already know?
and i don't ride, in a-new-buss. Its better then walking.
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Buford wrote: <quoted text>How do you know that Mary was a sinner? My guess is that it's because Paul wrote that ALL have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God, right? Yes, in a manner of speaking. Mary was an excellent woman, God-fearing, humble, and faithful. According to the Mosaic law, in connection with the birth of a child, at the end of her purification period, a mother was to offer a lamb one year old, and a young pigeon or turtledove as a sacrifice for sin. If a woman who could not afford to offer a lamb, the law stated:“She is to take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, one for the holocaust and the other for the sacrifice for sin.”(Lev. 12:6-8, Catholic Jerusalem Bible) If Mary had been sinless, she would have misrepresented matters when giving a sin offering. Yet the Bible reports that Joseph and Mary came to offer,“in accordance with what is said in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.”(Luke 2:24) Mary therefore acknowledged her imperfection or sin, again showing her humble and submissive attitude.
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bmz wrote: <quoted text>
A woman loses her virginity during the intercourse. So it is no point saying that a woman loses virginity after giving birth. The point is that the hymen would normally be intact for a virgin whose hymen is not broken by accident. And in Mary's case, it was definitely broken when she gave birth. bmz wrote: <quoted text>
So, you can say, only in Mary's case, that after giving birth her hymen was no more intact.
What I meant was that Mary remained holy and chaste after giving birth to Jesus and remained untouched by any man. That is what I was trying to convey. So as a Muslim, you don't believe she had any other children either? bmz wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, if a 90 year old man could take a 12 year old girl (Mother of God to be), See, who do you think you're talking to? Because I do not believe she is or was the "Mother of God." bmz wrote: <quoted text>
then a 50 plus man taking a 9 year old old girl should be easily acceptable! lol! Cute, but not so cute. And where do you get the idea that he was 90 years old?
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NotQuiter wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, in a manner of speaking. Mary was an excellent woman, God-fearing, humble, and faithful. According to the Mosaic law, in connection with the birth of a child, at the end of her purification period, a mother was to offer a lamb one year old, and a young pigeon or turtledove as a sacrifice for sin. If a woman who could not afford to offer a lamb, the law stated:“She is to take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, one for the holocaust and the other for the sacrifice for sin.”(Lev. 12:6-8, Catholic Jerusalem Bible) If Mary had been sinless, she would have misrepresented matters when giving a sin offering. Yet the Bible reports that Joseph and Mary came to offer,“in accordance with what is said in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.”(Luke 2:24) Mary therefore acknowledged her imperfection or sin, again showing her humble and submissive attitude. You are mixed up. Mary did not offer a yearly lamb for sin. She offered two turtledoves as the custom under the law of Moses for purification. All Jewish women are requied to do that. You have a perveted mind. You need to to offer a sin sacrifice to God for your filty mindset.
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skeptic wrote: <quoted text>You are mixed up. Mary did not offer a yearly lamb for sin. I did not say she offered a lamb. I said it was a requirement for all Jewish women to offer after giving birth as a sin offering. If they could not, they were to offer a pigeon or turtle dove. Here is how the Law stated it:(Leviticus 12) "When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering." "He shall offer them before the Lord to make atonement for her, and then she will be ceremonially clean from her flow of blood.“‘These are the regulations for the woman who gives birth to a boy or a girl. If she cannot afford a lamb,(and Mary and Joseph were poor), "she is to bring two doves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’” That is what Mary did. According to the scriptures, "When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord (as it is written in the Law of the Lord,“Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”), and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord:“a pair of doves or two young pigeons.” skeptic wrote: She offered two turtledoves as the custom under the law of Moses for purification.
All Jewish women are requied to do that. Why do you think all Jewish were women required to do that, and why did Mary do it? skeptic wrote: You have a perveted mind. I'm sorry you feel that way. skeptic wrote: You need to to offer a sin sacrifice to God for your filty mindset.
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NotQuiter wrote: <quoted text>
I did not say she offered a lamb. I said it was a requirement for all Jewish women to offer after giving birth as a sin offering. If they could not, they were to offer a pigeon or turtle dove. Here is how the Law stated it:(Leviticus 12) "When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering." "He shall offer them before the Lord to make atonement for her, and then she will be ceremonially clean from her flow of blood.“‘These are the regulations for the woman who gives birth to a boy or a girl. If she cannot afford a lamb,(and Mary and Joseph were poor), "she is to bring two doves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’” That is what Mary did. According to the scriptures, "When the time of their purification according to the Law of Moses had been completed, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord (as it is written in the Law of the Lord,“Every firstborn male is to be consecrated to the Lord”), and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is said in the Law of the Lord:“a pair of doves or two young pigeons.”
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Why do you think all Jewish were women required to do that, and why did Mary do it?
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I'm sorry you feel that way.
<quoted text> You don't get it, Mary was a Jew she lived like a Jew, she followed the law of the Jews the same as Jesus, and Jesus was sinless. Put to you this way, You have respect for the Holiness of God. God cannot divide himself against him self by allowing His Son Jesus to be born of a women having sin. When Mary said "Do unto me as you say" She agreed to a covenant with God. God favored Mary because of her holiness and her decation to God. And the moment she agreed, God sanctified and purified Mary and cleansed her of all sin. The same with Joseph, He was informed of what was to happen to mary and he accepted the responsiblity of carring for Mary and Jesus, knowing Mary gave birth to the Son of God. If Joseph would have had sex with Mary, god would have punished him for braking his vowel with God. The Holiness of Mary's womb is like the Ark of the covenant, touch it and you die.
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skeptic
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Correction= You have NO RESPECT FOR GOD.
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NotQuiter wrote: <quoted text>
The point is that the hymen would normally be intact for a virgin whose hymen is not broken by accident. And in Mary's case, it was definitely broken when she gave birth.
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So as a Muslim, you don't believe she had any other children either?
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See, who do you think you're talking to? Because I do not believe she is or was the "Mother of God."
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Cute, but not so cute. And where do you get the idea that he was 90 years old? Yes, in Mary's case, the hymen broke upon delivery. Yes, as a Muslim, I believed that she had no other children. I gave the link. I do not believe she was the Mother or Wife of God. That was from the Catholic source. I got that figure of 90 from the literature thrown into the bin of apocrypha.
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skeptic wrote: <quoted text>.
And the moment she agreed, God sanctified and purified Mary and cleansed her of all sin. Can you list up all her sins, Sinner?
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skeptic wrote: Correction= You have NO RESPECT FOR GOD. Which God are you talking about? Which one?
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Can you list up all her sins, Sinner? Only God knows that. Yes I am a sinner, and I thank God the Father for sending His Begotten Son Jesus to die on the cross for my sins.
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Mary's only sin was that she spread her legs for Joesph. (smiles)
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* Mary's only sin was that she spread her legs for JOSEPH. (smiles)
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bmz wrote: <quoted text>
Which God are you talking about? Which one? There is only One God. And it is not Mohammeds allah. YHVH is the One true God. He is the HOPE OF THE WORLD. Hope is reaching out for God and knowing He is there. Hope is searcjing for release and finding it through prayer. Hope is hapiness and joy and rainbows in the sky- Hope is feeling God is near when you begin to cry. Hope is looking for a dream That someday will come true; Hope is waiting on the Lord When your days are sad and blue. Hope is striving for God's love To uphold you day and night.
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YHVH: Y = Yeti H = Horse V = Vampire H = Hose (smiles)
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NotQuiter wrote: <quoted text>
Yes, in a manner of speaking. Mary was an excellent woman, God-fearing, humble, and faithful. According to the Mosaic law, in connection with the birth of a child, at the end of her purification period, a mother was to offer a lamb one year old, and a young pigeon or turtledove as a sacrifice for sin. If a woman who could not afford to offer a lamb, the law stated:“She is to take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, one for the holocaust and the other for the sacrifice for sin.”(Lev. 12:6-8, Catholic Jerusalem Bible) If Mary had been sinless, she would have misrepresented matters when giving a sin offering. Yet the Bible reports that Joseph and Mary came to offer,“in accordance with what is said in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons.”(Luke 2:24) Mary therefore acknowledged her imperfection or sin, again showing her humble and submissive attitude. Wrong. It's obligatory for everybody even when not having sinned themselves to be reminded. The other point where you err or rather show hubris is presuming that we are all sinners. The entire point of the Adam story is the realisation of consciousness, of being able to reflect, foresee consequencse of actions and better oneselve and the world and choose how we act, unlike animals in the field that follow drive. Judge the sin, not the sinner. Does that sound at all familiar to you? Your viewpoint follows the church-father Iraeneus and Athanasius. Unlike you they did not consider any juhadite point of view relevant.
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Tia
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Quran only confirms Mary's virginity BEFORE her giving birth to Jesus.
did she have sex afterward? did she ever commit little sins?
these trivial questions matter only to people who fancy Jesus as God
the doctrines of "immaculata" (sinless) and "aeiparthenos" (ever-virgin) were invented as deemed fitting for God's mother
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Yogi eugenics fled in hypophoric procatalepsis again. SOOOOOOO HYPOPHORE just wait for it...another HYPOchondric bout is coming on.
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rabbee yehoshooah adam
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skeptic wrote: <quoted text>Its better then walking. rabbee: well apparently some people, some people would be far better off with just walking and less conversing. and G-D'S Son, is the master, of not giving the answer, the pharasee or sadducees want or expect.
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Quran does hint at someone being her guardian though: "You were not there when they cast lots to decide who should take charge of Mary" (3:44) from the "infancy" gospels of James and Thomas, when the time came to find a husband for Mary, all marriageable men of the house of David each placed a stick on the altar and Joseph's rod (the original staff of Aaron) bore flowers and fruits!
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