Pope John Paul II 'beatified by spring 2009'

liseux wrote:

May John Paul II be set on the fast track like Mother Teresa.
Hector, the pope has addressed, and addressed, and addressed the clergy scandal. Were you awake when he made his visit to America? Even the secular media acknowledged his multiple addressing of the issue and... they even were able to move on for a while.
Why not you? A perpetual axe to grind?
We need saints for this age. God speed the canonization of John Paul the Great.

Minnesota Mary wrote:

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Greetings Liseux! I can't agree that putting JP II on the fast track to sainthood, or Mother Teresa for that matter, is a good thing. The Church wisely put up many years of time for study and revelations to occur about prior saints to pass before canonization. I consider a rushed canonization to be as big a mistake as the rush to war in Iraq. The Vatican has always been slow to move on just about everything. This rush to judgment has me concerned. For one thing a lot of bad appointments were made by JP II and a lot of terrible things took place in the Church during his watch. We need to stand back and take a long hard look at his papacy.
Dominus vobiscum. Mary

MichelleMC wrote:

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Hi Mary,
When I read your first post on thist topic, I didn't know whether I agreed or not. I was leaning towards agreeing with you, but this post definitely has me agreeing. Although I don't know as much about his papacy in terms of bad appointments as you seem to, I do have to agree with you. With regard to Mother Teresa now, I don't know yet, but she has had doubts about God for a long time, but many of the Saints suffered that, but I don't know if the length of time was as long as hers seem to have been, but then again, I don't know exactly how long she suffered doubts either, but I think I heard it was after she started her work in Calcutta. I am a more concerned about Pope John Paul II being canonized so soon.

Minnesota Mary wrote:

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Hi Michelle!
"There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip."
We may find that the fast track to canonization for both JP II and Mother Teresa gets slowed down considerably.
The Church in the past waited a good length of time after the death of someone proposed for canonization in order to give enough time for all information to come out and be revealed. If the Church were to canonize JP II or Mother Teresa in a rush and then find out later that credible information surfaces, that would have stopped the canonization process, it would be a huge embarrassment for the Church. That being said, because Christ gave the keys to the kingdom of heaven to Peter and his successors, if the Pope declares JP II and Mother Teresa to be saints, then they would be upon the moment the words are uttered from the Chair of Peter.
Dominus vobiscum. Mary

liseux wrote:

May John Paul II be set on the fast track like Mother Teresa.
Hector, the pope has addressed, and addressed, and addressed the clergy scandal. Were you awake when he made his visit to America? Even the secular media acknowledged his multiple addressing of the issue and... they even were able to move on for a while.
Why not you? A perpetual axe to grind?
We need saints for this age. God speed the canonization of John Paul the Great.

MichelleMC wrote:

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Mary,
Speaking of the canonization process, do you know how long it took St. Augustine to be canonized? He is being torn up in shreds on another topic(which you advised I stay away from), and I am not sure how to find out information on how long it took. The reason they are tearing him up on there is because they said he agreed with killing "heretics", which I'm not sure about any of that either, so I can't defend. I guess I can google him and see what I come up with.
I would love to get through to these people so that they will think that MAYBE(we know it is) the Catholic Church is the one true, wonderful Church. That's why I stay on there. I believe that as long as one is living and breathing, there is always hope for them to convert, but I'm starting to wonder on this thread now. Do you remember what thread I'm talking about?

Minnesota Mary wrote:

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Michelle, I don't recall the other thread you mention. St. Augustine was a brilliant man, and he did not suffer fools gladly. The same can be said of Padre Pio and other saints.
Don't fret about getting through to people on these threads. Once we put forth the truth of the Catholic Church with back-up from the scriptures, tradition, and the history of Christianity only the intellectually dishonest will continue to lie about the Catholic Church. Those who are obstinate in lying about the Church are flirting with the unforgiveable sin.
Have a nice Memorial Day tomorrow. Mary