Catholic Church Waging War on Women and Gays

mpgstl wrote:

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Ya think?
What if he apologized?

That's up to you what you do! It's none of my business!

Tre H wrote:

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Now I think you're just showing Trevor or whoever how you can "witness."

I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm saying the truth, and YOU'RE making excuses as to why I am, instead of maybe, just maybe what I'm saying is right!!

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From the book,“CONFESSIONS of a FRENCH CATHOLIC PRIEST … edited by Samuel F. B. Morse, A. M.… published in 1837 by John S. Taylor, New York, comes the following………….

The dying man thus, after this long confession, which changes many times all his feelings, frightened with the fear of purgatory, and by its fires, which he has deserved by his negligence of his Catholic duties, is tranquilized only in buying masses, indulgences, and other remedies. His only fear is at not paying dear enough for them. The more he pays, robbing his wife and family, the more is tranquil. In the beginning he dreaded the priest; now he must have him every hour, to confess him, to speak with him of purgatory, which he hopes to avoid by an abundance of masses and indulgences. If by chance he has complied with the desires of his family only for the sake of reputation, and if the eloquence of the confessor has not been able to change his feelings, his family in his place order masses, &c. for the rest of the soul. He dies, and his death is a source of riches to the Church. Such is the true picture of the persecutions and the conduct of the priest at the death-bed of Catholics.

Besides all those necessary and sacramentary relations, there are a great many others aiming at the same result. In the church priests have young and fair ladies, who take care of the vestry and of the linen of the altar, her saint. Every day they are in the vestry with priests, in room, in anterooms, store-closets of the church, so many and so dark, not without design. They become the favourites of some priest, who chooses his own fair one. Nothing is more curious than to see those devotees speaking of the kindness, piety, and eloquence of their patron. They have between each other singular quarrels about the respective merits of the priests. They would not attend another’s mass in the morning, none other than that of their beloved priest; they will receive the wafer every day from no other hand than his; assist at no other’s catechism, listen to no other instructions, than his. They receive the beads, rosary, scapulary, only from his hands. He, and no other, initiates them into the sisterhood of indulgences. In short, a priest is God of these deluded women. It is the duty with them, as with every devotee in general, to load the holy man with boons of every species, gold and silver, under various pretexts; for example, for saying a mass, chalices, linen, purses, silk stockings, &c. Many happy priests buy almost nothing, and rely, as they say, on Providence. Those devotees are happy only when they can have their holy, spiritual father at home, in fine parties, at supper, in the absence of their husbands if they are married. The most exquisite dainties, wines, &c. are lavished upon the dear father.

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From the book,“CONFESSIONS of a FRENCH CATHOLIC PRIEST … edited by Samuel F. B. Morse, A. M.… published in 1837 by John S. Taylor, New York, comes the following………….

To be impartial on the subject of the confession, however, I must say, that if it is the source of so many evils, it is also the cause of some good; for example, of restitutions. Many people, after having robbed, are troubled in their conscience, and tell it to their confessor, who requires a restitution. Often, and almost always, money is entrusted to him; and I never heard that he kept it, but restored it to the owner. But they do not fail to profit by it, to show and extol the great advantages of confession. I have often received money from unknown people, with the direction only of the persons to whom I ought to give it.

Confession, as it is instituted in Catholic countries, is the most powerful institution is the world. If the confessor was an enlightened man, the enemy of slavery and darkness, the friend of mankind, father of his fellow-creatures, who trust him so completely, then it would be a treasure of blessings. But, unhappily, Catholic priests are quite the contrary. They are ignorant, knowing but the treatises of Dens, Sanchez, and their theology; they detest freedom, and breathe but for slavery; they are bachelors, they think but of their own welfare and of their passions. Consequently they have made confession what it is, viz. a school of debauchery, lasciviousness, deception, and corruption, division in families, trouble in domestic relations; in short, of crimes of every description; a school from which a father and mother cannot be too careful to remove their children.

Here occurs, of course, this question—“Do priests keep the secrets of the confession?” I answer. Yes; I believe ninety-nine times out of a hundred. Many do it, not to discredit this useful practice; others by conviction and fear; for in our theology we are taught that God would rather do a miracle than permit the revelation of a confession. We afterwards publish and preach the same doctrine in the pulpit. We give it as a proof that confession has been divinely instituted by Christ; that never, since the days of our Saviour, one has heard of a revelation of any thing that occurred at confession. I myself was so strongly impressed with this idea, that for a long time I would not have dared to speak of a confessed sin, for fear of being killed by God upon the spot. Many of my fellow priests entertain the same belief through their whole lives. It is needless to say, that in spite of all the Catholic assertions to the contrary, revelations are made public; but they are rare, concealed from laymen, and denied firmly by clergy. I can say that I have heard some of revelations with my own ears.

What's your point, June?

Should all the Catholics now post diaries entries of some foul and pervted non-believers?

Of course their are sinners in our ranks....this is nothing new.

But when these sinners convert, such as St. Paul, St. Augustine, now that is something to celebrate. But a man or woman wallowing in human lusts and desires... yawn... that's quite old hat.

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From the book,“CONFESSIONS of a FRENCH CATHOLIC PRIEST … edited by Samuel F. B. Morse, A. M.… published in 1837 by John S. Taylor, New York, comes the following………….

Chapter XIV

Corruption of the clergy—Its celibacy—Life of a curate in a country parish—His loneliness—Gradually he forgets his vows—The cunning of priests—They are obliged to conceal themselves—The motto of the clergy—The servant-maid—Curious mode of life—The death-bed of an old priest—Monstrosities of the Priesthood, La Collonge, Mingrot, Contrafatto—The Lords of the church—Priest play their masses at cards—Their intoxication—Their battles.

Catholic or Protestant writers, who have spoken of the corruption of the Roman clergy, who have described its matchless wickedness, have not shown its cause. They saw only the effect without tracing it up to its source. I will try to supply their silence. I have read a certain number of those books against a body to which I belonged, a body which I know as well as it is possible for one to know it; and I can say that its whole degradation is unknown. Careful of saying nothing which can shock the reader, I will reveal only what is necessary to unveil those “anointed of the Lord,” but nothing to offend the eyes. I shall surprise Protestants, doubtless, by saying, that in France the immense majority of young men in our seminaries are not corrupted, and many of them are virtuous. It is nevertheless true. They are ignorant, superstitious, fanatical, given up to their superstitious practices, to theology, &c.; but, I declare it, not at all vicious. That may be conceded, although in order to be able to fulfil their duty; and to hear confession in all its extend, it is necessary to know all human perversity. I do not give a judgment on these reasons; be that as it may, our superiors endeavor to inspire us, in those recitations, with a great dislike of such crimes; and I can affirm that it is very painful to the natural sense of decency in any man to be obliged, as we are, to be familiar with such books.

This is the true picture upon this matter of the seminaries. That I know; and I am indifferent whether it agrees of not with pictures drawn by others.

The story of the corruption of the clergy begins only when they are out of the seminary. Those young men are sent into a parish in the quality of curates and vicars; in the beginning they fulfill their duties with great care, and for some time remain faithful to their vows. Many have told this to me after they fall; and I have seen it myself, except in a few exceptions. But by and by they open astonished eyes. Restored to freedom after ten or twelve years of thralldom in a college or seminary, they become quite different men; gradually they forget their vow.“Oh!” said a young priest to me, with tears in his eyes, after having four or five years discharged his duties of his station,“God only knows what I have suffered during this time; and if I have fallen, it is not without fighting; had I been allowed to choose a wife, as it is the law of God, who destines man to marriage, whatever our rules teach to the contrary, I should have remained virtuous; I should have been the happiest man in the world; I should be a good, a holy priest; while now I am— Oh! I am ashamed of myself.

liseux wrote:

What's your point, June?
Should all the Catholics now post diaries entries of some foul and pervted non-believers?
Of course their are sinners in our ranks....this is nothing new.
But when these sinners convert, such as St. Paul, St. Augustine, now that is something to celebrate. But a man or woman wallowing in human lusts and desires... yawn... that's quite old hat.

It's entirely up to you what you post.

I don't post to defame priests. I post this story to arrive at a better understanding of the whole Catholic organization from top to bottom.

You are not forced to read it ... but I would like to think that unlike your previous Catholics, you cannot suppress what others read.

And your St. Augustine was in favor of murdering his fellow Catholics as "heretics" when they drifted from the FOLD.

You would do well to study some history, OTHER than the flowery history that is taught to you by your church.

I'm thinking of going to confession,something I have'nt done in 40years,and maybe that preist will be intimate with me.

June, if St. Augustine was a homosexual, you'd be on here DEFENDING his actions.

You're such a big hypocrite.

You attack the Church and selectively attack the sinners in it.

Why don't you defend or attack ALL sinners instead of just your pet few????

When are you going to get a life?

liseux wrote:

June, if St. Augustine was a homosexual, you'd be on here DEFENDING his actions.
You're such a big hypocrite.
You attack the Church and selectively attack the sinners in it.
Why don't you defend or attack ALL sinners instead of just your pet few????
When are you going to get a life?

Hi Liseux,
How are you doing? Good I hope. As you see nothing has changed on this topic, LOL!! Sometimes I think I'm stupid for posting as much as I do.

I have some freinds that are religious and trying to get me to go to the "we believe in GOD" thread,they know I'm gay and still say I'm a worthwhile person,that I have a good heart and TO lIVE MY GAY LIFE!No matter what anyone else says about it.This statement from believers of GOD.That fairly sums it all up for me.Catholic church go'ers-BACK OFF!it is my decision as is anyone else's to come to GOD.Only the person he/she can accept GOD.What I do or anyone else does is between GOD and I.There is nothing to stop me or anyone else from attending services.So,just keep the doors open and accept all that are willing to enter.It is the decision of each of us to follow doctrine.Not anyone else.You may

Liseux, and any other Catholic who may pop in here tonight, I wish you a happy Feast Day tommorrow, as you know it's Corpus Christi, the Feast of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ(I'm explaining for the sake of others). It is a glorious and special feastday.

Lyrics to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Don't give up
It's just the weight of the world
When you're heart's heavy
I...I will lift it for you

Don't give up
Because you want to be heard
If silence keeps you
I...I will break it for you

Everybody wants to be understood
Well I can hear you
Everybody wants to be loved
Don't give up
Because you are loved

Don't give up
It's just the hurt that you hide
When you lost inside
I...I will be there to find you

Don't give up
Because you want to burn bright
If darkness blinds you
I...I will shine to guide you

Everybody wants to be understood
Well I can hear you
Everybody wants to be loved
Don't give up
Because you are loved

You are loved
Don't give up
It's just the weight of the world
Don't give up
Every one is to be heard
You are loved

Or: http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Glad you all had a good talk and how "well" you supposedly know "poor, lost" Franck and Michelle. You all and you know who you are amaze me, more and more every day!! I am amused by these posts. I'm sure Franck will be too when he sees them! So see, we're not unhappy after all! We take our faith being attacked personally, at least I do, so yes I do tend to become unhappy when I see Christ and His Church attacked. My conscience won't let me be a cafeteria Catholic, "sorry" to you who thought you knew my and Franck's consciences. OH!!! I thought only God knows each individual consciences and that things are supposed to be between God and the person. Isn't that what you all say? Except though when it comes to us Catholics, THEN it's alright to judge our consciences. I see now!! LOL!! Thanks for the amusement, and again, you who posted about us, know who you are. Really, I'm not upset or anything; I'm amused!!

Franck takes the Catholic Faith being attacked personally as well, just to clear up my post.

Hello Michelle,

Thanks for the cordial wishes. I and my family will celebrate the Feast of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ tomorrow in a specialy way.

You are so correct in saying it is a glorious and special feast day. May God be adored!

You and everyone are in my prayers.
Keep fighting the good fight.

liseux wrote:

June, if St. Augustine was a homosexual, you'd be on here DEFENDING his actions.

LOL!!! That was good, liseux! Or if one of the women saints had an abortion, then they too would be defended.

Former Patron,

God loves you, and so do the members of His church.

We might disagree with the way you live your life, but that can be true of how you view others. That doesn't mean you hate them or wish them ill will because you disagree with their choices or predilictions in life.

Please have a wonderful Feast Day as well tomorrow.

liseux wrote:

Hello Michelle,
Thanks for the cordial wishes. I and my family will celebrate the Feast of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ tomorrow in a specialy way.
You are so correct in saying it is a glorious and special feast day. May God be adored!
You and everyone are in my prayers.
Keep fighting the good fight.

You will be in my prayers as well, liseux. You, too, keep fighting the good fight. Our parish is having a picnic tomorrow after the procession of the Blessed Sacrament(unfortunately it will be a short procession). I didn't realize about the picnic until today as I work many weekends so I don't get to go to the parish we belong to, we go to a different church usually.
YES, may Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament be adored and worshipped, as He deserves to be.

Yea, how about Dorothy Day, who had an abortion (or two) and is up for beatification in the Catholic Church?

She is the woman behind the Catholic Worker organization, a honorable, exalted group of humble people who help the poor and marginalized of our society.

But the only thing is, she recognized that her abortion killed her child, and she repented of it, seeking forgiveness from the all-merciful Jesus Christ.

May she be held up as an example in our world as HOPE for our country!

Thanks for bringing that up, Michelle.