21Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura "Bilble Alone" Theory

Bob wrote:

<quoted text> 22nd Reason.Brilliant!!! God one Pax.

The Communist Plan to Infiltrate the True Church
Mrs. Bella Dodd spent most of her life in the Communist Party of America and was Attorney General designate had the Party won the White House. After her defection, she revealed that one of her jobs as a Communist agent was to encourage young radicals (not always card-carrying Communists) to enter Catholic seminaries. She said that before she had left the Party in the U.S., she had encouraged almost 1,000 young radicals to infiltrate the seminaries and religious orders ... and she was only one Communist.

Brother Joseph Natale, Founder of Most Holy Family Monastery, was present at one of Bella Dodd's lectures in the early 1950's. He relates: "I listened to that woman for four hours and she had my hair standing on end. Everything she said has been fulfilled to the letter. You would think she was the world's greatest prophet, but she was no prophet. She was merely exposing the step-by-step battle plan of Communist subversion of the Catholic Church. She explained that of all the world's religions, the Catholic Church was the only one feared by the Communists, for it was its only effective opponent." Bella Dodd converted to Catholicism at the end of her life. Speaking as an ex-Communist, she said: "In the 1930's, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within." The idea was for these men to be ordained, and then climb the ladder of influence and authority as Monsignors and Bishops. Back then, she said: "Right now they are in the highest places in the Church." They are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church would not be effective against Communism. She also said that these changes would be so drastic that "you will not recognize the Catholic Church." (This was 10 to 12 years before Vatican II.)

Brother Joseph went on relating what Bella Dodd had said: "The whole idea was to destroy, not the institution of the Church, but rather the Faith of the people, and even use the institution of the Church, if possible, to destroy the Faith through the promotion of a pseudo-religion: something that resembled Catholicism but was not the real thing. Once the Faith was destroyed, she explained that there would be a guilt complex introduced into the Church ... to label the 'Church of the past' as being oppressive, authoritarian, full of prejudices, arrogant in claiming to be the sole possessor of truth, and responsible for the divisions of religious bodies throughout the centuries. This would be necessary in order to shame Church leaders into an 'openness to the world', and to a more flexible attitude toward all religions and philosophies. The Communists would then exploit this openness in order to undermine the Church."[16]

Rome Departs From Tradition; Rome Departs From the Faith
Rome cannot ignore 2000 years of Roman Catholic teaching. Present day teaching must be in agreement with traditional teaching. St. Robert Bellarmine said: "Just as it is licit to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, so it is licit to resist him who attack souls, or who disturbs the civil order, or, above all, him who tries to destroy the Church. It is licit to resist him by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will."[17]

St. Cajetan said: "One must resist the Pope who openly destroys the Church."[18]

St. Thomas Aquinas said: "Take note that if there were a danger to the Faith, subordinates would be bound to reprove their prelates, even publicly."[19] The Dogmatic Councils of the Catholic Church speak about true obedience to the Pope, not blind obedience.

Blind Obedience to the Pope? Pope Innocent III said: "It is necessary to obey a Pope in all things as long as he does not go against the universal customs of the Church, but should he go against the universal customs of the Church, he need not be followed."[20]

The Papal Coronation Oath: the vow a pope takes when he is elected:
"I vow:
· To change nothing of the received tradition, and nothing thereof, I have found before me guarded by God-pleasing predecessors, to encroach upon, to alter, or to permit any innovation therein;
· To the contrary: with glowing affection as her truly faithful student and successor, to safeguard reverently the passed on good, with my whole strength and utmost effort;
· To cleanse all that is in contradiction to the canonical order should such appear;
· To guard the Holy Canons and Decrees of our Popes as if they were the divine ordinances of Heaven, because I am conscious of Thee, whose place I take through the Grace of God, whose Vicarship I possess with Thy support, being subject to severest accounting before Thy Divine Tribunal over all that I shall confess.
· If I should undertake to act in anything of contrary sense, or should permit that it will be executed. Thou willst not be merciful to me on the dreadful Day of Divine Justice.
· Accordingly, without exclusion, we subject to severest excommunication anyone - be it ourselves or be it another - who would dare to undertake anything new in contradiction to this constituted evangelic Tradition, and the purity of the orthodox Faith and the Christian religion, or would seek to change anything by his opposing efforts, or would agree with those who undertake such a blasphemous venture."[21]

John Paul II was the first "Pope" not to take this oath.

Papal History Shows Some Popes in Error
The Holy Ghost was not promised to the Successor of Peter for them to make a new doctrine known, but for them to maintain in a holy way the revelation transmitted by the Apostles, that is, the Deposit of Faith. At Vatican Council I, scholars discovered that more than 40 popes in the past had held wrong theological views.

Padre Pio Rebukes John Paul II
Antonio Pandiscia is the official biographer of Padre Pio and he was the only man allowed to interview him more than once. He said: "The current Pope went to San Giovanni Rotondo for the first time in 1947 shortly after his ordination. A witness, who has since passed away, told me that Padre Pio was brusque with the young Polish priest on that occasion. I think he could not accept the fact that the young Wojtyla (John Paul II) had worked in the theater before becoming a priest."[22]

Padre Pio once threw two bishops out of the confessional and told them to first make their peace with God before they came to confess. When he was approached about the matter by his superior, Padre Pio responded: "They may be bishops here on earth but the hierarchy in Heaven is not the same as that on earth."[23] It is claimed that when someone asked Padre Pio about the 3rd Secret of Fatima he replied: "Beware of all bishops."[24]

Pope Saint Pius X, the humble Giuseppe Sarto, when congratulated by his mother upon his appointment as Bishop of Mantua, he replied: "Mother, you do not realize what it means to be a bishop. I shall lose my soul if I neglect my duty."[25]

With regard to Padre Pio himself, he was certainly faithful to the traditions of the Church and to the traditional liturgy. Father Pellegrino (lifelong friend of Padre Pio) testified how Padre Pio counselled all the Council Fathers who came to see him, to put an end to Vatican II, and how he suffered with even the slightest liturgical reform. Padre Pio only used the Traditional Missal.[26]

The Last Letter to Paul VI
One of the last things that Padre Pio did was to write a letter to Paul VI in which he stated: "I offer you my prayers and daily sufferings as a small, but sincere contribution on the part of the least of your sons, I pray that God may lead you with His Grace to follow the straight and painful way in defense of eternal truth, which does not change with the passing of years."[27](Padre Pio's Letter to Paul VI). Padre Pio died 10 days later.

Obviously, Paul VI didn't listen to Padre Pio. Later, Paul VI said at his general audience July 2, 1969: "If the world changes, should not religion also change? It is for this very reason that the Church has, especially after the 2nd Vatican Council, undertaken so many reforms."[28]

Bob wrote:

<quoted text> 22nd Reason.Brilliant!!! God one Pax.

Thank you, bob. Still he doesn't take the hint that he does more to back up the other 21 Reasons than anyone with his cut and pastings.

Steven wrote:

With regard to Padre Pio himself, he was certainly faithful to the traditions of the Church and to the traditional liturgy. Father Pellegrino (lifelong friend of Padre Pio) testified how Padre Pio counselled all the Council Fathers who came to see him, to put an end to Vatican II, and how he suffered with even the slightest liturgical reform. Padre Pio only used the Traditional Missal.[26]
The Last Letter to Paul VI
One of the last things that Padre Pio did was to write a letter to Paul VI in which he stated: "I offer you my prayers and daily sufferings as a small, but sincere contribution on the part of the least of your sons, I pray that God may lead you with His Grace to follow the straight and painful way in defense of eternal truth, which does not change with the passing of years."[27](Padre Pio's Letter to Paul VI). Padre Pio died 10 days later.
Obviously, Paul VI didn't listen to Padre Pio. Later, Paul VI said at his general audience July 2, 1969: "If the world changes, should not religion also change? It is for this very reason that the Church has, especially after the 2nd Vatican Council, undertaken so many reforms."[28]

You never cease to amaze. You've gone from cut and pasting the anti-Roman Catholic rantings of the ultra-Protestants to cut and pasting the anti-Roman Catholic rantings of the SSPX. Bully for you.

I am sure he has posted an entire old growth forest by now.

reminded me of the old addage,'some cannot see the forest for the trees'....

insite wrote:

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reminded me of the old addage,'some cannot see the forest for the trees'....

The True History of God's Words

There is not one history of the Bible, but two. One is a history of God preserving His words through His people. The other is of the devil using the Roman Catholic church to pervert God's words through her "scholars."

Written in a down-to-earth style, and packed with cartoon illustrations by Jack Chick, Daniels shows that the Bibles Rome gave us are really clever counterfeits, designed to eliminate God's preserved words in English, the KJV. You will see why the KJV is the only Bible you can trust.

Will you trust God and believe His preserved words, or will you trust yourself to pick a Bible version that says what men think God meant to say?



Books on the same subject

Understandable History of the Bible, by Dr. Samuel Gipp

Which Bible is God's Word?, by Gail Riplinger



Note from the Publisher

It took 300 years of clever maneuvering to bring us where we are today. David Daniels masterfully uncovers facts blurred by Roman Catholic historians. This marvelous book will be a wild ride and an eye opener. History, that so many find difficult to understand, is made simple with down-to-earth explanations backed by many illustrations. The Roman Catholic system did NOT give us the Bible, as they so blatantly claim.—Jack Chick

Preface

The Purpose of This Book

Chapter 1 - A Short History of the Bible — God's Own Words

A Quick Summary
What Are "Original Autographs?"
God Wants Perfect Copies
The Old Testament History Books
The Old Testament Writings
The Three Categories of the Old Testament
The Old Testament Major Prophets
The Old Testament Minor Prophets
The New Testament Books

Chapter 2 - The Northern & Southern Streams — Antioch & Alexandria

The Northern Stream —Antioch
The Southern Stream — Alexandria
The Southern Stream: Origen Was the Origin?
The Northern Stream — Old Latin

Chapter 3 - The Caesars Change Costumes

Constantine — The Last Caesar
What Constantine Wanted
What Constantine Left Behind

Chapter 4 - The Beginning of the Roman "Church"

Formed in Just One Century
Counterfeit Christianity
The Faithful Vaudois

Chapter 5 - Light Shines in the Dark Ages

The "Threat" of John Wycliffe
The Printing Press of Gutenberg
The Greek New Testament of Erasmus

Chapter 6 - Reformation — and Revenge

The Reformation in Germany — Martin Luther
The Reformation in England — William Tyndale
God's Pattern of Preserving His Words
Reformation — and Revenge
The Counter-Reformation — Ignatius of Loyola
The Counter-Reformation — Steps One and Two
The Counter-Reformation —The Council of Trent
The Counter-Reformation — Inquisition
The Counter-Reformation — The Jesuits
The Rulers of England: Catholic or Protestant?
The Counter-Reformation — The Spanish Armada

Chapter 7 - The King of English Bibles

The Desire of King James
The Gunpowder Plot
King James' Bible
The Struggle after King James
The Power of the King James Bible
Summary

Chapter 8 - The Jesuits Attack

Jesuit Missions — and Hatred
The Jesuit Attack on the Bible
The "Tractarian Movement"
The "Westcott & Hort" Bible
Satan Finally Succeeds

Chapter 9 - Look Where We Are Today

Bibles Are Big Business
The Master Plan

Chapter 10 - Showdown

Why No Revival?
The Choice
The Right Choice

Extra Reading and References

A. For Further Reading
B. The "Faith" of Westcott & Hort

Indexes

Bibliography
Subject Index

Steven wrote:

<quoted text>
The True History of God's Words
There is not one history of the Bible, but two. One is a history of God preserving His words through His people. The other is of the devil using the Roman Catholic church to pervert God's words through her "scholars."
Written in a down-to-earth style, and packed with cartoon illustrations by Jack Chick, Daniels shows that the Bibles Rome gave us are really clever counterfeits, designed to eliminate God's preserved words in English, the KJV. You will see why the KJV is the only Bible you can trust.
Will you trust God and believe His preserved words, or will you trust yourself to pick a Bible version that says what men think God meant to say?
Books on the same subject
Understandable History of the Bible, by Dr. Samuel Gipp
Which Bible is God's Word?, by Gail Riplinger
Note from the Publisher
It took 300 years of clever maneuvering to bring us where we are today. David Daniels masterfully uncovers facts blurred by Roman Catholic historians. This marvelous book will be a wild ride and an eye opener. History, that so many find difficult to understand, is made simple with down-to-earth explanations backed by many illustrations. The Roman Catholic system did NOT give us the Bible, as they so blatantly claim.—Jack Chick

Jack Chick giving a push for this book is like D. Chaney giving a favorable review of Haliburton. The fact that it's made simple to read by its many illustrations is another way of saying you can understand this even if your reading at a first grade level as an adult.

Pax et Bonum wrote:

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Jack Chick giving a push for this book is like D. Chaney giving a favorable review of Haliburton. The fact that it's made simple to read by its many illustrations is another way of saying you can understand this even if your reading at a first grade level as an adult.

It is obvious PEB has not read the book or seen the illustrations and yet critically judges it.

www.chick.com/information/authors/chick.asp

Mary Hammond wrote:

Your post does not mention the twenty second reason why sola scriptura is wrong: it kills. Q'uran or Bible, sola scriptura kills. A few examples old and new:
Currently-
David Koresh-baptist-SDA-Branch Dividian. Memorised the entire New Testament before he was 18.
Osama bin Laden- literal interpretation of the Q'uran-also memorised, killed at least 3,000 Americans so far.
HIstorically and present:
KKK- literal interpretation of the bible. Current Grand Wizard and Pastor Thomas Robbs is non denominational. Runs a church called Christian Identity for whites only. Sola Scriptura. KKK responsible for an unknown but acknowledged thousands of deaths of blacks, jews and catholics.
Historically-
Luther, Knox, Zwingli, Calvin- all sola scriptura. Responsible for at least 12 million catholics dead, 6 million in Ireland alone. Zwingli responsible for an almost complete decimation of anabaptists in Switzerland.
Know Nothing Political Party- founded by protestant sola scripturists afraid of Catholics. responsible for countless rapes, beatings and murders of Catholics in the US.
American Party- same thing as Know Nothing Party.

BS Mary! Do you really think Ireland had 6 million killed?

Steven wrote:

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It is obvious PEB has not read the book or seen the illustrations and yet critically judges it.
www.chick.com/information/authors/chick.asp

I've seen enough Chick publications in the past to know that more of the same will just be... more of the same.

Steven wrote:

<quoted text>
The True History of God's Words
There is not one history of the Bible, but two. One is a history of God preserving His words through His people. The other is of the devil using the Roman Catholic church to pervert God's words through her "scholars."
Written in a down-to-earth style, and packed with cartoon illustrations by Jack Chick, Daniels shows that the Bibles Rome gave us are really clever counterfeits, designed to eliminate God's preserved words in English, the KJV. You will see why the KJV is the only Bible you can trust.
Will you trust God and believe His preserved words, or will you trust yourself to pick a Bible version that says what men think God meant to say?
Books on the same subject
Understandable History of the Bible, by Dr. Samuel Gipp
Which Bible is God's Word?, by Gail Riplinger
Note from the Publisher
It took 300 years of clever maneuvering to bring us where we are today. David Daniels masterfully uncovers facts blurred by Roman Catholic historians. This marvelous book will be a wild ride and an eye opener. History, that so many find difficult to understand, is made simple with down-to-earth explanations backed by many illustrations. The Roman Catholic system did NOT give us the Bible, as they so blatantly claim.—Jack Chick

it is amusing when I read/hear that people think that Martin Luther was the first protestant, as if he is the hero of every non catholic. I realize that accurate statistics are difficult to trace, after all, most evidence ended up with their owners, in the bonfires of the vanities. The heel of Rome was like Germany's Gestapo for so many dark years. One day, the voices of those who gave their lives because they did not bow to Rome will speak again. until then, others, including you and I, will speak for them.

The truth is, since the birthday of the church, the day of Pentecost, when Peter used the authority that Jesus gave him by unlocking the door of salvation to the Jews until this day, there have always been people who just said no to Rome.

insite wrote:

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it is amusing when I read/hear that people think that Martin Luther was the first protestant, as if he is the hero of every non catholic. I realize that accurate statistics are difficult to trace, after all, most evidence ended up with their owners, in the bonfires of the vanities. The heel of Rome was like Germany's Gestapo for so many dark years. One day, the voices of those who gave their lives because they did not bow to Rome will speak again. until then, others, including you and I, will speak for them.
The truth is, since the birthday of the church, the day of Pentecost, when Peter used the authority that Jesus gave him by unlocking the door of salvation to the Jews until this day, there have always been people who just said no to Rome.

Let's not forget the voices of those who stayed with the Roman Catholic Church (not just Rome, that's a city in Italy by the way) who were also sacrificed to the wims of those in power who left the Roman Catholic Church. The evil of individuals over the centuries can not and should not be used as an excuse not accept the apostolic succession of the teachings of Christ as handed down through the Roman Catholic Church. It's good your voices can be heard in peace just realize that you don't hold the fullness of truth for those of us who are Roman Catholics and no amount of cut and paste and half truths will change that.

john wrote:

<quoted text>BS Mary! Do you really think Ireland had 6 million killed?

When England came in there Ireland was ENTIRELY Catholic or pagan.
6 million is a minimum number. I don't just think John, I know.
At one point the ENTIRE population of southern Ireland was reduced to only 30,000 people. 30,000 period.
Do your OWN homework. You might learn something

Mary Hammond wrote:

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When England came in there Ireland was ENTIRELY Catholic or pagan.
6 million is a minimum number. I don't just think John, I know.
At one point the ENTIRE population of southern Ireland was reduced to only 30,000 people. 30,000 period.
Do your OWN homework. You might learn something

Do you have records for each dead person? England has always had a better army, navy, and the will to fight, than Ireland. This is America dump your Irish ethnic claim and be American!

Pax et Bonum wrote:

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Let's not forget the voices of those who stayed with the Roman Catholic Church (not just Rome, that's a city in Italy by the way) who were also sacrificed to the wims of those in power who left the Roman Catholic Church. The evil of individuals over the centuries can not and should not be used as an excuse not accept the apostolic succession of the teachings of Christ as handed down through the Roman Catholic Church. It's good your voices can be heard in peace just realize that you don't hold the fullness of truth for those of us who are Roman Catholics and no amount of cut and paste and half truths will change that.

This is not half truth.
Dr. Bill Jackson, president of the Association of Fundamentalists Evangelizing Catholics (AFEC), prepared the following, "The Marks of a Cult," as applied to the Roman Catholic Church:
1) Extra Biblical Revelation. Dr. Ludwig Ott, probably the most readable and conservative Roman Catholic theologian, has written in Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma:“Theology, like faith, accepts as the source of its knowledge Holy Writ and Tradition ... and also the doctrinal assertions of the church … this latter means the day by day teaching ministry of the Church through the pope and the bishops united with the pope.”(This latter is referred to as the Magesterium.)
2) False Basis of Salvation. From Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994),#16:“the ways of reaching beatitude—through right conduct, with the help of God’s law and grace, through conduct that fulfills the twofold commandment of charity, specified in God’s Ten Commandments.”
3) Uncertain Hope. A very complimentary article in The Philadelphia Inquirer stated of the late Cardinal Krol:“He doesn’t have to worry about food, clothing, shelter. What are his worries?‘My salvation, getting to Heaven’ says the Prelate.”
4) Presumptuous Messianic Leadership. If the pope is NOT the Vicar of the Messiah (Christ), he is presumptuous in thus identifying himself. Jesus Christ knew His church would need an infallible Head, so He Himself chose His Vicar in John 14:26, 15:26 and 16:7-15. This Vicar is not only infallible, He is infinite. He is the Holy Spirit.
5) Doctrinal Ambiguity. From the New Catholic Encyclopedia:“The Bible as a literary work had traditions that included myth”(Vol. 10, p. 184); “Some of the miracles recorded in Holy Scripture may be fictional and include imaginative literary exaggerations. The episode of Noah and the Ark is imaginative literary creation”(Vol. 9, p. 887); “The Gospels are not biographies of Jesus and still less scientific history”(Vol. 12, p. 403).
6) Claims of Special Discoveries. These, in Catholicism, are numberless. They go from the Letter of the Oration, a “true letter” of Jesus found in the Holy Sepulchre to the revelations at Fatima (an apparition approved by the Vatican). In between are countless appearances of Mary to Catherine Laboure, Simon Stock, the visionaries at Medjugorje and Bernadette Soubirous, etc. Add a few of Bob and Penny Lord’s “Eucharistic Miracles” and you have more special discoveries than all the other cults combined.
7) Defective Christology. Pius XII’s encyclical, Mediator Dei: Christ “has offered and continues to offer Himself as a victim for our sins.” Hebrews 9:25 says,“nor yet that he should offer himself often.” Hebrews 10:14,“For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.”

8) Segmented Biblical Attention.“The Seven Verses of Scripture Authoritatively Interpreted by Rome”(from the Denver Catholic Register, 3/29/90, p. 10):“Father (Francis X.) Cleary (S.J.), scripture scholar and professor in the Department of Theological Studies of St. Louis University, writes,‘Many people think that the Church has an official “party line” about every sentence in the Bible. In fact, only seven passages have been definitively interpreted.’”
9) Enslaving Organizational Structures. This may not be as evident in contemporary “liberated” American Catholicism, but it was very much a fact for Europe’s millions in past centuries. All were taught that there was no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, which through her bishops could impose anathemas or excommunication seemingly at will. The masses of people were controlled by that system. Even the kings of Europe quaked at the possibility of papal displeasure.
10) Financial Exploitation. The coins ringing in the coffers of Tetzel have ceased, and exorbitant payments for early purgatorial release can be relegated to previous centuries, but the very fact that any Mass stipend is expected for Masses to remit fictitious purgatorial suffering is a case for financial exploitation.
11) Denunciation of Others. Priest Lawrence Feeney of the Boston Heresy Trial believed “extra nullus salus ecclesia”(no salvation outside the church). He was approached by Bobby Kennedy, who complained that Feeney was sending his Protestant friends to hell. Feeney replied,“I’m not sending them to hell, but I am telling them where to come if they want to get to Heaven.”
12) Syncretism. From Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994),#846:“Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try by their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.”