What Divides Catholics and Protestants?

Sherlayne wrote:

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I've been following your posts and I think they're helpful, but I've never seen the point of "repetitive prayer" - you know, like 20 Hail Mary's in a row.

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Pilgrim_ wrote:

15th, to be honest i dont pray much. Maybe i should :) i kinda figure God knows what we want so wont say things for the sake of it

servant wrote:

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Wow! This is what they now teach you to do to his word.
And by the way the olive tree still represents Israel (Romans 11), not Rome nor Martin Luther. Salvation is from the Jews (John 4:22)
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John 8:37 Jesus said, "I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word."
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Revelation 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is called the Word of God.
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servant wrote:

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2 Peter 3:16 His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
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Patriot wrote:

<quoted text>maybe since the "custom" was for folks to dress in sackcloth and doing the ashes thing, maybe since y'all don't do the sackcloth was what he meant..hhaa but on a serious note, some of the commands given in scripture does allow some "liberty". for example the churches were instructed to appoint elders/deacons to each congregation, BUT scripture did not tell them HOW to appoint them once men who met the qualifications were found.the men could have been found by recommendation,drawing straws,etc scripture does not specify how to find the men. just as I also pointed out when Christ gave the great commission he told them to go and teach the gospel. He left it to their discretion of HOW to GO, whether walk,take the bus or whatever. I think sometimes folks can discect things too much.Just like scripture told of dressing in sackcloth and doing the ashes thing, scripture did not tell how to sit,where to set,etc.

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<quoted text>I am consistent, if we are commanded to sing only and we add music to the singing that is adding(enhancing the singing) to the command of singing, if Christ wanted the singing enhanced(added to) he would have said to enhance it.If, for example(as the sermon) the preacher recites the 23rd Psalm verbatum and does not use microphone verses he recites verbatum the 23rd Psalm but has microphone so the folks can hear him. there was no adding to God's word. or if it is a night service and he uses a lamp to read the scripture would using the lamp be adding to God's word? I do not think so.If the preacher would have left out some of the words or added the song leader using a tuning fork is an addition to the singing, well pay attention. the tuning fork is SILENT when the singing begins.

Tango Bravo wrote:

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If Jesus wanted us to drive Chevys He would have said so in the New Testament! You tell them, Patriot. If it isn't specified in the Bible it can't be done. Come to think of it, I'm not sure Jesus ever tells us to breathe in the ....jhdkdjs-09u122u5tr ouyujl..........
Luckily I just realized at the last moment that Jesus also didn't tell us not to breathe, just as He also didn't tell us not to use musical instruments during worship.
But I drive a Nissan and not one of those unbiblical chevys.

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Oxbow wrote:

I have seen Catholics quote this verse to support their erroneous belief that water has saving power. Quote: And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days...
To do his requires them to omit the previous verse. Quote:Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
When stated correctly, it clearly shows that the people being commanded to be baptized, have already received the Holy Ghost....their salvation did not come by being baptized!!!!

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Patriot wrote:

<quoted text>If they(instruments) were not called for in NT worship then adding them would be adding to his commandments, I did not make a thing up,I will follow what Jesus commands and the likes of you can just add, take from, or modify scripture and do as YOU want instead of what HE wants at your own peril. In a biblical discussion you could in no way play on the level field with me. Speaking of silly/ non interesting topics, your posts appear by the word silly stuff in the dictionary. Speaking of the instruemnts, when scripture commands us to sing, DOING ANYTHING MORE THAN SING OR LESS THAN WOULD BE NOT FOLLOWING CHRIST'S COMMANDS, it is not that difficult to grasp..after a long, intense period of study and when you can havd an intelligent biblical conversation I may converse with you...if you can carry on an intelligent and informed conversation

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ITB wrote:

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Do you really think Jesus thought he had to tell people they could use musical instruments...like He didn't have more important things to say? Did you see the Scripture about not being able to write EVERYTHING Jesus said and did down? John 21:25
Having musical instruments accompany a person's voice is not adding to the message, no more than adding a microphone to the preacher's voice so he sounds better and/or can be heard more efficiently.
God didn't say you could use a microphone. Using a microphone is enhancing the preacher's voice, just as, say an organ, enhances a singer's voice. There is no difference, both are enhancements, neither is adding to the message.
Where does Scripture forbid the use of musical instruments?
Ephesians 5:19, "Speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord".
"Making melody in your heart"...a melody is not limited to only the voice, a melody is also made with instruments.
Do you use a choir?
One of the definitions of "sing" is to produce sounds when played: "made the violin sing".
What about......
Psalm 150:3-6
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.
There are many, many references to musical instruments in the OT, do you ignore everything in the OT? Jesus probably didn't figure He had to say to specifically use musical instruments since they'd been used all throughout the OT. It was common knowledge and there was already usage of instruments.

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Converted wrote:

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You still can't understand...Catholics do not believe that by the power of water they enter into the family of God. Catholics believe that they enter into the family of God by the power of God in an obedient act which involves water.

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Converted wrote:

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You still can't understand...Catholics do not believe that by the power of water they enter into the family of God. Catholics believe that they enter into the family of God by the power of God in an obedient act which involves water.

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Oxbow wrote:

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And the Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "The Lord himself affirms that baptism is necessary for salvation [John 3:5]....
Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament [Mark 16:16]" (CCC 1257).

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Nettiebelle wrote:

<quoted text>Substitutes for the sacrament
The Fathers and theologians frequently divide baptism into three kinds: the baptism of water (aquæ or fluminis), the baptism of desire (flaminis), and the baptism of blood (sanguinis). However, only the first is a real sacrament. The latter two are denominated baptism only analogically, inasmuch as they supply the principal effect of baptism, namely, the grace which remits sins. It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood.
- Catholic Encyclopedia

Ron Paul 2012 wrote:

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Bill Maher would destroy you for this religion garbage that has NOTHING to do with GOD at all!

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Ron Paul 2012 wrote:

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You can't even spell it right!

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Ron Paul 2012 wrote:

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Another garbage post that have NO credibility at all!

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Oxbow wrote:

The words of Christ are clear enough:'And if he will not hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican'(Matthew 18:17); 'He that heareth you, heareth Me; and he that dispeth you, despiseth Me; and he that dispiseth Me, despiseth Him that sent Me'(Luke 10:16); 'He that believeth not shall be condemned'(Mark 16:16); 'He that doth not believe, is already judged'(John 3:18); 'He that is not with Me, is against Me; and he that gathereth not with Me, scattereth'(Luke 11:23). The Apostle Paul says that such persons are 'perverted and self-condemned'(Titus 3:11); the Prince of the Apostles calls the 'false prophets… who shall bring in sects of perdition, and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction'(2 Peter 2:1)."[8]
Pope Pius IX The Syllabus of Errors, attached to Encyclical Quanta Cura, 1864:[The following are prescribed errors:] "16. Men can, in the cult of any religion, find the way of eternal salvation and attain eternal salvation.- Encyclical Qui pluribus, November 9, 1846.
"17. One ought to at least have good hope for the eternal salvation of all those who in no way dwell in the true Church of Christ.- Encyclical Quanto conficiamur moerore, August 10, 1863, etc."
Pope Leo XIII (1878–1903), Encyclical Annum Ingressi Sumus: "This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church."
idem, Encyclical Sapientiae Christianae: "He scatters and gathers not who gathers not with the Church and with Jesus Christ, and all who fight not jointly with Him and with the Church are in very truth contending against God."
Pope St. Pius X (1903–1914), Encyclical Jucunda Sane: "It is our duty to recall to everyone great and small, as the Holy Pontiff Gregory did in ages past, the absolute necessity which is ours, to have recourse to this Church to effect our eternal salvation."
Pope Benedict XV (1914–1922), Encyclical Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum: "Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved."
Pope Pius XI (1922–1939), Encyclical Mortalium Animos: "The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation… Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Encyclical Humani Generis, August 12, 1950: "Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation."
Pope Pius XII (1939–1958), Allocution to the Gregorian University (17 October 1953): "By divine mandate the interpreter and guardian of the Scriptures, and the depository of Sacred Tradition living within her, the Church alone is the entrance to salvation: She alone, by herself, and under the protection and guidance of the Holy Spirit, is the source of truth."
Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, 14: "They could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it, or to remain to it.

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the perfect idiot wrote:

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Dude I can not read this deluge of Feces,
Paul is the false prophet and
the Catholic Church is the Beast.
Plain and simple.
Study other parts of the Bible.
If you STUDY PAUL YOU STUDY THE false prophet.