Atheist Genocides?

Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:

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No-- murder is defined by the Law, and the Law defines it as the involuntary ending of a human life.
A zygote is not fully human-- not yet, and not under the Law either.
If you don't like the Law of the USA?
You are free to go to Saudi Arabia, where THEIR Law will have you killed for even talking about abortions, let alone doing one.
You'd LOVE it there I suspect: women are property, belief in god is mandatory (upon pain of death) and so on.
Just your sort of country.

A human zygote is human; the DNA proves that.

Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:

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There is life in carrots-- yet you eat them without a second thought.
In other words, not all life forms are the same.
By >>law<< murder is defined as the un-willful death of a human being.
And by >>law<< you're not a human being until you are born.
So saying "abortion is murder" is a flat lie, designed to create false feelings of sympathy for your lie.
Morality has nothing to do with it, here-- murder is a legal term.

A fetus ripped from the womb during an induced abortion isn't an "un-willful death"/murder, as you call it?
You've been reading too much sword and sorcery crap again, Bob.

Epicurus wrote:

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http://jesusneverexisted.com/sheep.html

Hey, CJ. I see the zen fog wore off.
XD

In humans, the fetal stage of prenatal development starts at the beginning of the 9th week after fertilization. Prior to that, it is an embryo.

Hedonist wrote:

In humans, the fetal stage of prenatal development starts at the beginning of the 9th week after fertilization. Prior to that, it is an embryo.

how do they breathe? with gills?

Hedonist wrote:

In humans, the fetal stage of prenatal development starts at the beginning of the 9th week after fertilization. Prior to that, it is an embryo.

When the egg accepts a sperm the DNA mixes to create a brand new, unique entity. Each embryo carries a unique signature inside every cell, different from all other embryos. Lack of intellect does not preclude being an individual with rights but abortion does.

Feanor wrote:

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True, in a causal manner. There are however several logical, practical and legal problems with that positions.
Let’s start with logical...... you define that life starts at the initial meeting between egg and sperm and yet both the egg and sperm are undoubtedly alive and carry within them the potential for life in much the same way that a zygote only has the potential for life. May zygotes and foetuses self terminate well before birth.
Given that a zygote has to be defined (due to practical probabilities) as a potential life, how far up the chain do you take this? The average man has 2.5 (say) kids? If you kill him do you get charged with 3.5 murders because you also killed off his likely progeny?
You cannot judge the possibility or potential for life, and life on the same standard.
Secondly, if you judge a foetus to be alive, you must give it all the same rights as you do a normal human. This would mean that every pregnancy where a child is lost before birth a possible murder investigation would need to be launched.
If a mother falls down the stairs and kills the “baby” that could be negligent homicide.
If the mother smokes or drinks during pregnancy that is child abuse and the mother needs to be incarcerated. Furthermore legally we must remove the “baby” from the mother’s custody.... how do you do this?
Clearly people who advocate for the granting of full legal rights to foetuses have not considered the implications of their position.

Lame excuses. Naturally occurring miscarriages were not tried as crimes, en masse, before abortion was legalized.

TheJazuma wrote:

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how do they breathe? with gills?

Breathe? In utero, in a liquid enviornment? The fetus is an aquatic parasite.

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>A human zygote is human; the DNA proves that.

As human as a fleck of spittle or a toe nail clipping, or a shed skin cell. DNA proves it!

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Lame excuses. Naturally occurring miscarriages were not tried as crimes, en masse, before abortion was legalized.

Naturally occurring miscarriages are still, not tried as crimes, en masse or otherwise.

deray wrote:

I understand the word theory in science very well, you and those like you want to use this word to force belief in something that does not exist and can not be proven.
That is part of your atheist religion tho, blind faith in the unproven theory of evolution, a small movement at most. You tend to make allot of noise, you have removed religion from schools, you have caused some weak people to have doubts and you have involved yourself in other matters.
Along with the loss of morals in this country your movement may be attractive to the perverted people involved in gross immorality, but there will always be a group of moral people regardless what you do that will believe in God and follow his commands.
This discussion has gone on verbatim and it always comes to the same conclusion. Evolution is a faith with a system of beliefs but at the moment it is small and minuscule in numbers, they have always been a small group of atheists through time.
It is interesting that the atheist movement has accepted itself as being a religion, now even setting up churches online and physical brick and mortar. The small atheist groups may grow, 2 to 4 percent of the population of the United States at this time, about the same as homosexuals and probably mostly the same group.

I knew you were dumb and I opened the door and let you fall in the hole of your ignorance..

A scientific "THEORY" is an explanation of a natural phenomena that has HUGE amounts of evidence to support it and is about as close to accepted as fact as one can get.... you religitardos are used to the word you falsly claim has the same meaning you know HYPOTHESIS.... Theory and Hypothesis are no where near each other in meaning.... now run back to your mythilogical superstions and let the grown ups talk LOL

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>When the egg accepts a sperm the DNA mixes to create a brand new, unique entity. Each embryo carries a unique signature inside every cell, different from all other embryos. Lack of intellect does not preclude being an individual with rights but abortion does.

That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

But if you want to force your opinion on others, you'll need a legal case that argues your position. Thus far there have been none for good reason. There is no legal standing for your opinion.

There is also no medical standing for it and no scientific standing for it.

You've got a long way to go to prove your opinion is anything more than just your opinion.

(PS: I could make a medical sound, scientifically founded, legally defensible argument for defining life at what embryologist refer to as Carnegie Stage 19, but again, until it is argued in court, it doesn't matter.)

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>Naturally occurring miscarriages are still, not tried as crimes, en masse or otherwise.

But if Alabama had it's way, they would be.

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>As human as a fleck of spittle or a toe nail clipping, or a shed skin cell. DNA proves it!

The DNA is different than the mother/host; that makes it a separate human entity, with a right to life.

deray wrote:

I understand the word theory in science very well, you and those like you want to use this word to force belief in something that does not exist and can not be proven.
That is part of your atheist religion tho, blind faith in the unproven theory of evolution, a small movement at most. You tend to make allot of noise, you have removed religion from schools, you have caused some weak people to have doubts and you have involved yourself in other matters.
Along with the loss of morals in this country your movement may be attractive to the perverted people involved in gross immorality, but there will always be a group of moral people regardless what you do that will believe in God and follow his commands.
This discussion has gone on verbatim and it always comes to the same conclusion. Evolution is a faith with a system of beliefs but at the moment it is small and minuscule in numbers, they have always been a small group of atheists through time.
It is interesting that the atheist movement has accepted itself as being a religion, now even setting up churches online and physical brick and mortar. The small atheist groups may grow, 2 to 4 percent of the population of the United States at this time, about the same as homosexuals and probably mostly the same group.

So you still don't get it?

Theist: in possession of a positive claim.
A-theist: not ^ that guy, no claim!

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nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>Legal doesn't make it moral. Ever heard the term "imminent domain"?

Neither does a 2000 year old book written by >>men<<. Ignorant, goat-f***ing men.(bible, in case you didn't get it)

And your >>only<< justification--as dubious as it is-- comes from that horrid old book.

Ironically?

You don't actually HAVE anything in the Holey BuyBull to point to, and say, "see? God hates abortions".

Just the opposite, actually-- the bible seems to advocating the wanton and systematic murder of babies...

... so by WHAT BASIS do you claim abortion is NOT moral?

Hmmm?

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>A human zygote is human; the DNA proves that.

So is that zit you just pinched on your face.

So is the collection of hair in your bathtub's drain.

If you are only going by DNA, that is... which you seem to be doing.

So what?

You have NO MORAL CASE, here.

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>A fetus ripped from the womb during an induced abortion isn't an "un-willful death"/murder, as you call it?
You've been reading too much sword and sorcery crap again, Bob.

Abortion is not murder-- no human being was harmed during an abortion.

Silly.

No more than trimming of your scraggly and fungus-infested toenails would it be murder.

Or the cutting of your unwashed and unbrushed hair, for that matter.

TheJazuma wrote:

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how do they breathe? with gills?

Fetuses certainly have them for awhile...

... your ignorance is showing.

nanoanomaly wrote:

<quoted text>When the egg accepts a sperm the DNA mixes to create a brand new, unique entity. Each embryo carries a unique signature inside every cell, different from all other embryos. Lack of intellect does not preclude being an individual with rights but abortion does.

Unless, of course... it doesn't.

As in the case of identical twins, who each share the >>exact<< same DNA.

Natural clones.

You're ignorance is showing again, goddite.