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“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#22 Feb 15, 2012
again to life wrote:
<quoted text>
sampuna as kindly as I can say it... killing of a living being, is the murder of a living being. The blatant disregard for the existence of another living creature, the creatures desire to be able to live life like yourself, and like your family has the right to, and not to be killed is the law of life. This law of life that you violate is the nature of everything creature that exist. You are in no way above any creature that you may murder, and it must be deprived of its life for to to lust it. Ecclesiastes 3:18 "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?."
The lust of eating after killing is abnormal, it is immoral, it shows the denigration of a society that consumes itself in killing, in wars, in lying, and it reflects a perverted alliance to disease.
And it doesn't matter what person told you that you can kill, and can eat meat. It is your conscience. It is your internal spiritual being that is your light, not the echos of some simple man that may have excelled to the status of a philosopher.
You are not a carnivore by nature meaning you can't cut, chew, or swallow the blood soaked meat after killing. Only carnivorous can.
You are not an omnivore like a bear, who kills and eats with its ripping teeth, and than soaks on berries, fruits, and honey.
You can not eat meat without it being pulverized because you have the teeth of a cow. Not meant to cut.
If you swallowed uncut or pulverized meat you would die because you would choke to death, and many people die eating steak.
"Humans who enslave, castrate, experiment on, and fillet other animals have had an understandable penchant for pretending animals do not feel pain. A sharp distinction between humans and 'animals' is essential if we are to bend them to our will, make them work for us, wear them, eat them without any disquieting tinges of guilt or regret. It is unseemly of us, who often behave so unfeelingly toward other animals, to contend that only humans can suffer. The behavior of other animals renders such pretensions specious. They are just too much like us."
Carl Sagan
"When you look more generally at life on Earth, you find that it is all the same kind of life. There are not many different kinds; there's only one kind. It uses about fifty fundamental biological building blocks, organic molecules."
Carl Sagan (The Varieties of Scientific Experience: A Personal View of the Search for God)
"The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of star stuff."
Carl Sagan
it is indeed a plausable effort to become vegetarian so that others might live.

but there is indeed no purity in the spiritual sense by virtue of this diet alone.

i wonder if you have read what the Vinaya says of 'pure' and 'impure' meat? Check out the Buddha's strict conditions on what makes meat pure in every sense for consumption, and which is not fit for consumption.

all the meat sold at supermarts are considered carcass, all dead not through our orders, but sent readily slaughtered outside.

Whether we consume it or not, the carcasses would be there, sold or disposed.
in and out

Wyandotte, OK

#23 Feb 15, 2012
sampuna wrote:
<quoted text>but there is indeed no purity in that others might live alone.
Notice I shortened your statement down to what you are really saying.

Quote: "there is indeed no purity in that others might live alone."

All purity exist withing the value that others may live. There is no other virtue. And Love is the only principle, not self love like a Buddhist, or self indulgence like a Buddhist, but sacrifice for love irregardless of the opinions of others.
Especially opinions of brain racked buddha who didn't know which way the sun rose. According to his quote. He had no idea that there was a meaning of a sun, and stars, but turns around and tells people how to live.
in and out

Wyandotte, OK

#24 Feb 15, 2012
ZONK!
Raven

Wyandotte, OK

#25 Feb 16, 2012
"In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true."

-Quote from Buddha

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#26 Feb 16, 2012
in and out wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice I shortened your statement down to what you are really saying.
Quote: "there is indeed no purity in that others might live alone."
All purity exist withing the value that others may live. There is no other virtue. And Love is the only principle, not self love like a Buddhist, or self indulgence like a Buddhist, but sacrifice for love irregardless of the opinions of others.
Especially opinions of brain racked buddha who didn't know which way the sun rose. According to his quote. He had no idea that there was a meaning of a sun, and stars, but turns around and tells people how to live.
i mentioned 'no virtue in the diet [vegetarianism] alone',you misquoted me. i wonder if you really understand English.

anyway,i want you to open your eyes to the so called connection between vegetarianism & spiritual purity.

Hitler was a vegetarian. World history tells you that he cannot be said to be spiritually pure.

Brahmins in India are vegetarians. Can you say all of them are saints? I doubt it. Their character are like us. Some are good. Some are bad. Why good? of course not through vegetarianism but perfection of virtue by practising some form of morality.

“Rohingya is Bengali.”

Since: Mar 11

Save Myanmar!

#27 Feb 16, 2012
Extract from "Good question, Good answer" by Venerable Shravasti Dhammika

Chapter 8 Vegetarianism

The Buddha was not a vegetarian. He did not teach his disciples to be vegetarians and even today, there are many good Buddhists who are not vegetarians.

It is true that when you eat meat, you are indirectly and partially responsible for killing a creature but the same is true when you eat vegetables. The farmer has to spray his crop with insecticides and poisons so that the vegetables arrive on your dinner plates without holes in them. And once again, animals have been used to provide the leather for your belt or handbag, oil for the soap you use and a thousand other products as well. It is impossible to live without, in some way, being indirectly responsible for the death of some other beings. This is just another example of the First Noble Truth, ordinary existence is suffering and unsatisfactory. When you take the First Precept, you try to avoid being directly responsible for killing beings.

In the Buddha's teachings, the important thing is the quality of your heart, not the contents of your diet. Many Buddhists take great care never to eat meat but they are not concerned about being selfish, dishonest, cruel or jealous. They change their diet which is easy to do, while neglecting to change their hearts, which is a difficult thing to do. So whether you are a vegetarian or not, remember that the purification of the mind is the most important thing in Buddhism.
jacK

Wyandotte, OK

#28 Feb 17, 2012
I didn't misquote you. I rearraged you words to what you were really saying.

Here's you answer

"it is indeed a plausable effort to become vegetarian so that others might live.

but there is indeed no purity in the spiritual sense by virtue of this diet alone.

all the meat sold at supermarts are considered carcass, all dead not through our orders, but sent readily slaughtered outside.

Whether we consume it or not, the carcasses would be there, sold or disposed."


Here you are...
"it is indeed a plausable effort to become vegetarian so that others might live."

"but there is indeed no purity in the spiritual sense by virtue of this diet alone."

You said it's a plausable effort to become vegetarian so that others might live.
But....there is indeed no purity in the spiritual sense by virtue of this diet alone.

this is what you are saying in Short...

"there is indeed no purity in that others might live alone."

Because I become vegetarian so others may live, and contrary to your statement and belief system IT IS indeed to me the purity in the spiritual sense by virtue..This sense by virtue YOU do not believe. Yet it is the sum total of love and sacrifice.

No other way to say it chap.

It gets worse.

all the meat sold at supermarts are considered carcass, all dead not through our orders, but sent readily slaughtered outside.

Whether we consume it or not, the carcasses would be there, sold or disposed."


You fail to take credit for the killing of the animals.

And you'll eat it, because it's there.
Than those $$$ dollars go to kill more, so your glutton self feels satisfied, and justified.

BURP! fart fart....
jacK

Wyandotte, OK

#29 Feb 17, 2012
"In the sky, there is no distinction of east and west; people create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true."

I wonder if old little buddha's eyes were open when he made this mishap of a comment, because... if I made this comment TODAY....

I'd get laughed out of the circus for being the biggest Clown
Jinks K

Wyandotte, OK

#30 Feb 17, 2012
Ricardo da Silva wrote:
Extract from "Good question, Good answer" by Venerable Shravasti Dhammika
Chapter 8 Vegetarianism
The Buddha was not a vegetarian. He did not teach his disciples to be vegetarians and even today, there are many good Buddhists who are not vegetarians.
It is true that when you eat meat, you are indirectly and partially responsible for killing a creature but the same is true when you eat vegetables. The farmer has to spray his crop with insecticides and poisons so that the vegetables arrive on your dinner plates without holes in them. And once again, animals have been used to provide the leather for your belt or handbag, oil for the soap you use and a thousand other products as well. It is impossible to live without, in some way, being indirectly responsible for the death of some other beings. This is just another example of the First Noble Truth, ordinary existence is suffering and unsatisfactory. When you take the First Precept, you try to avoid being directly responsible for killing beings.
In the Buddha's teachings, the important thing is the quality of your heart, not the contents of your diet. Many Buddhists take great care never to eat meat but they are not concerned about being selfish, dishonest, cruel or jealous. They change their diet which is easy to do, while neglecting to change their hearts, which is a difficult thing to do. So whether you are a vegetarian or not, remember that the purification of the mind is the most important thing in Buddhism.
Are you a big blow of hot irrelevant air. Not only are you still living in the 70's and dark ages, your God is delusion? even atheist don't claim that the idea of God is nessiarly delusion, but a nessity of proof, because they believe there could be one, except the fact that they believe in evolution, and have no idea where life began to start, which some believe could be God, and no creator named buddha who didn't know east from west, or that the sun had risen in one of those directions. He thought it was created in the mind.
You obviously never heard of GMO food. It's where they take rat genes and put it in vegetables so they are not invaded by hungry little animals. But it doesn't always pan out because the hungry creatures develope an immunity.

Yikes!
Oil and soap are made of ground oil, and sometimes in the past lard was used to make soap, but today mostly vegetable oils are used which are not tested on animals.
Most shoes have mostly Man Made Materials, with leather added, but I buy and wear all plastic shoes which are far more durable than leather which tears, and shrinks, plastic does not. My shoes hold up to anything including oil exposure.

I saw a 60 minutes special of a Christian Monk Monistery that has been around for over a thousand years. All vegetarian, eat no meat. And I didn't ask them to do it. They knew how to do right.
You know only how to decieve people.
If I were you. I'd consider becomming a Christian. With a creator in mind.
Jinks K

Wyandotte, OK

#31 Feb 17, 2012
And that is not based upon any religous preference.

This is based upon the theory that you like religion
Bobby

Wyandotte, OK

#32 Feb 17, 2012
sampuna wrote:
<quoted text>
i mentioned 'no virtue in the diet [vegetarianism] alone',you misquoted me. i wonder if you really understand English.
anyway,i want you to open your eyes to the so called connection between vegetarianism & spiritual purity.
Hitler was a vegetarian. World history tells you that he cannot be said to be spiritually pure.
Brahmins in India are vegetarians. Can you say all of them are saints? I doubt it. Their character are like us. Some are good. Some are bad. Why good? of course not through vegetarianism but perfection of virtue by practising some form of morality.
you do not open peoples eyes, you put them to sleep.
there is animal genocide going everywhere including world wide hunting with painful bow guns, massive genoside daily with the death of billions of living creatures, and you want people to close their eyes and open their mouths.
you live in a bizzare world.
I would recommend people to stay out of your world and your life for their health.

i'm reading this. says hitler was not vegetarian. interesting site. look http://www.viva.org.uk/goingveggie/top20.html

you have to understand hitler, he was a young man in the german military when his country was overthrown by the russians. so when he gained political power and went after the russian government which just happen to be jewish, it's really an insignificant because it takes more of a close examination into past history, while not involving emotion. but i assure you, animal genocide is a clear sign of a human disturbance

obby

Wyandotte, OK

#33 Feb 17, 2012
Ricardo da Silva wrote:
Extract from "Good question, Good answer" by Venerable Shravasti Dhammika
Chapter 8 Vegetarianism
The Buddha was not a vegetarian. He did not teach his disciples to be vegetarians and even today, there are many good Buddhists who are not vegetarians.
It is true that when you eat meat, you are indirectly and partially responsible for killing a creature but the same is true when you eat vegetables. The farmer has to spray his crop with insecticides and poisons so that the vegetables arrive on your dinner plates without holes in them. And once again, animals have been used to provide the leather for your belt or handbag, oil for the soap you use and a thousand other products as well. It is impossible to live without, in some way, being indirectly responsible for the death of some other beings. This is just another example of the First Noble Truth, ordinary existence is suffering and unsatisfactory. When you take the First Precept, you try to avoid being directly responsible for killing beings.
In the Buddha's teachings, the important thing is the quality of your heart, not the contents of your diet. Many Buddhists take great care never to eat meat but they are not concerned about being selfish, dishonest, cruel or jealous. They change their diet which is easy to do, while neglecting to change their hearts, which is a difficult thing to do. So whether you are a vegetarian or not, remember that the purification of the mind is the most important thing in Buddhism.
if no creator exist than buddy you're not here

there has to be a creator even if it's just the cosmos, and star dust

something had to tell your genes to assemble, and to write your personal design, and to make you breath, and make your heart beat, and for hair to grow on your head

there has to be some kind of creator even if somewhat insignificant saying nothing but the physical universe made you, it still made you

“Rohingya is Bengali.”

Since: Mar 11

Save Myanmar!

#34 Feb 20, 2012
Jinks K wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a big blow of hot irrelevant air. Not only are you still living in the 70's and dark ages, your God is delusion? even atheist don't claim that the idea of God is nessiarly delusion, but a nessity of proof, because they believe there could be one, except the fact that they believe in evolution, and have no idea where life began to start, which some believe could be God, and no creator named buddha who didn't know east from west, or that the sun had risen in one of those directions. He thought it was created in the mind.
You obviously never heard of GMO food. It's where they take rat genes and put it in vegetables so they are not invaded by hungry little animals. But it doesn't always pan out because the hungry creatures develope an immunity.
Yikes!
Oil and soap are made of ground oil, and sometimes in the past lard was used to make soap, but today mostly vegetable oils are used which are not tested on animals.
Most shoes have mostly Man Made Materials, with leather added, but I buy and wear all plastic shoes which are far more durable than leather which tears, and shrinks, plastic does not. My shoes hold up to anything including oil exposure.
I saw a 60 minutes special of a Christian Monk Monistery that has been around for over a thousand years. All vegetarian, eat no meat. And I didn't ask them to do it. They knew how to do right.
You know only how to decieve people.
If I were you. I'd consider becomming a Christian. With a creator in mind.
I am an ex-Christian. Once I was a good practicing Christian.
But I was excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church by my own actions. I declared my apostasy and sent it to more than 30 persons including local Catholic Bishop.

I don't want to believe in any Abrahamic religions.
I want to be a Giordano Bruno or a Hypatia rather than to be a believer of an Abrahamic religions.
If I have to choose "be killed or be a Christian or be a Muslim", I will choose "Be killed".

I do not believe in the Creator God who created heaven and earth.
If you want to believe in the Creator God, it's up to you.
Don't blame me for not believing in the Creator God.
Don't create me. I hate it.

Go and ask "your God is delusion?" to Richard Dawkins.

"You obviously never heard of GMO food. It's where they take rat genes and put it in vegetables so they are not invaded by hungry little animals. But it doesn't always pan out because the hungry creatures develope an immunity.
Yikes!
Oil and soap are made of ground oil, and sometimes in the past lard was used to make soap, but today mostly vegetable oils are used which are not tested on animals.
Most shoes have mostly Man Made Materials, with leather added, but I buy and wear all plastic shoes which are far more durable than leather which tears, and shrinks, plastic does not. My shoes hold up to anything including oil exposure."

Go and tell it to Venerable Shravasti Dhammika. I just quoted from his writings.

“Rohingya is Bengali.”

Since: Mar 11

Save Myanmar!

#35 Feb 21, 2012
Most people confuse eating meat and killing animals. They are not the same.
Eating meat means we eat fleshes of alreadly dead animals. We do not know who killed them. We do not know how they were slaughtered. We just eat meat, not killing for meat.
By eating meat, we are indirectly and partially responsible for killing animals whose fleshes we eat. But we do not ask somebody to kill animals for meat so that we can eat them.
If nobody kills any animal at all, ok we won't eat meat at all.

Killing animals may be done without eating their meat.
I surely remembered I killed three pigeons because I were angry of them.
Pigeons entered into my apartment and defecated. Some made nest and laid eggs in the porch. They annoyed me too much. So I beated them with a broom and one of them was dead by my beating.
Once again a pigeon entered into my apartment and it can't fly out. Firstly, I didn't do nothing to it. But it disturbed my sleeping and I were angry and killed it. And I killed another pigeon in the similar incident.
But I did not eat them.

Do not confuse killing animals and eating their meat.

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#36 Feb 22, 2012
well...blown out of proportion!

This topic was supposed to be...erm ..about???

anyway, i won't argue with one forumer who clearly misquoted me. What I meant was vegetarianism itself has got no virtue. Virtue IS TO BE CULTIVATED.

What goes into the stomach nourishes the body only. The heart that is trained nourish life, worldly & spiritually.

And I repeat : if vegetarianism is practised with the aim of lessening the direct killing of animals, that's fine.

If vegetarianism is practised blindly, to be equated with spiritual purity, and to be used as a reason to degrade meat eaters, i see it as food for the ego. That's not 'pure'.

i eat anything that is edible, and i am very careful not to be directly involved in the killing of sentient beings. BTW, i eat food of plant origin most of the time ;)

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